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Postby Greed and Death » Sat Aug 09, 2014 9:33 am

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Respawn wrote:I'd love to capture these Neanderthals, amputate their limbs and feed them extensively (preferably pork) so they can live long lives. I'd set them up in San Francisco and force them to watch reruns of Honey Boo Boo and The Real Housewives. I'd have to remove their eyelids for that, too.

Then you can take their Ray Bans too (their press spokesperson on the Vice News series is wearing sunglasses that clearly say Ray Ban on the side), and their "Caliph" seems to have a thing for Rolex watches.

Proof that Islamic prosperity theology is true.
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Postby Upper America » Sat Aug 09, 2014 10:15 am

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Upper America wrote:Why do you suspect that?


Historically speaking, armed foreigners have generally been mistrusted.

They shouldn't have a reason to mistrust us when we just kicked out something that threatened their existence. Although they would get angry if we stayed for a decade.
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Postby Imperial Nilfgaard » Sat Aug 09, 2014 1:26 pm

Put together Genghis Khan's horde and Hitler's Nazis, sprinkle it with Islamic fundamentalism.. Then give it shiny American weapons and viola!

ISIS is born.
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Postby Blakk Metal » Sat Aug 09, 2014 1:33 pm

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:Put together Genghis Khan's horde and Hitler's Nazis, sprinkle it with Islamic fundamentalism.. Then give it shiny American weapons and viola!

ISIS is born.

1. They don't use that name anymore.
2. Crazy Abe is worse than both Hitler and the Mongols, adjusted for ability.

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Postby Upper America » Sat Aug 09, 2014 1:41 pm

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:Put together Genghis Khan's horde and Hitler's Nazis, sprinkle it with Islamic fundamentalism.. Then give it shiny American weapons and viola!

ISIS is born.

They've also got Syrian and Iraqi weapons and bases.

Blakk Metal wrote:2. Crazy Abe is worse than both Hitler and the Mongols, adjusted for ability.

Is that his name now?
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Postby Blakk Metal » Sat Aug 09, 2014 1:44 pm

Upper America wrote:
Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:Put together Genghis Khan's horde and Hitler's Nazis, sprinkle it with Islamic fundamentalism.. Then give it shiny American weapons and viola!

ISIS is born.

They've also got Syrian and Iraqi weapons and bases.

Blakk Metal wrote:2. Crazy Abe is worse than both Hitler and the Mongols, adjusted for ability.

Is that his name now?

No, he wants to be called 'Caliph Ibrahim II', which is an exotic way of saying 'Head Theocrat Abraham II'.

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Postby Upper America » Sat Aug 09, 2014 1:47 pm

Blakk Metal wrote:
Upper America wrote:They've also got Syrian and Iraqi weapons and bases.


Is that his name now?

No, he wants to be called 'Caliph Ibrahim II', which is an exotic way of saying 'Head Theocrat Abraham II'.

No, I mean is that his NS name? We all know he's crazy enough to want to control an entire religion.
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Postby Unitaristic Regions » Sat Aug 09, 2014 1:49 pm

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Lyrova wrote:As if the U.S. isn't a de facto theocracy. Any country that claims freedom of religion but makes decisions on school curriculum on a religious basis, where politicians have to say "God bless America" at the end of their speeches to gain any sort of popular support, where the same document that proclaims "freedom of religion" is the document that points to a single "Creator" for its legitimacy, is a country that is, if anything, a crypto-theocracy and has no right to conduct military conflicts on the grounds of countering theocracy.

School curriculum on a religious basis? Please! We are taught evolution and the Big Bang theory, no theocracy would teach that. A theocracy usually takes one religion, makes it law, and oppresses the other religions. I'm not seeing that in the US.

Additionally, the U.S. being more involved against us will only fuel our ultimate resolve of uniting the entire Muslim world against them. So go ahead, bomb us, you're only giving us the legitimacy and popular support we need.

Real Muslims don't support ISIS, because ISIS violates Muslim law, as has been said various times here. Things like murder, killing of Muslims, and destroying mosques are against Muslim law, and those are all things ISIS is doing.

Also, I fail to see how a crypto-theocracy dropping bombs on ISIS will be productive in telling ISIS fighters that "the concept of theocracy has no place in the Twenty-First Century". Just saying.

I think it will show ISIS that it has no place in the world.


Because everyone knows Shia and Sunni have always peacefully coexisted :lol2:
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Postby Benuty » Sat Aug 09, 2014 1:50 pm

Unitaristic Regions wrote:
Upper America wrote:School curriculum on a religious basis? Please! We are taught evolution and the Big Bang theory, no theocracy would teach that. A theocracy usually takes one religion, makes it law, and oppresses the other religions. I'm not seeing that in the US.


Real Muslims don't support ISIS, because ISIS violates Muslim law, as has been said various times here. Things like murder, killing of Muslims, and destroying mosques are against Muslim law, and those are all things ISIS is doing.


I think it will show ISIS that it has no place in the world.


Because everyone knows Shia and Sunni have always peacefully coexisted :lol2:

Why not? I mean all that crap started over a certain Caliph anyway :P.
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Postby Upper America » Sat Aug 09, 2014 1:50 pm

Unitaristic Regions wrote:
Upper America wrote:School curriculum on a religious basis? Please! We are taught evolution and the Big Bang theory, no theocracy would teach that. A theocracy usually takes one religion, makes it law, and oppresses the other religions. I'm not seeing that in the US.


Real Muslims don't support ISIS, because ISIS violates Muslim law, as has been said various times here. Things like murder, killing of Muslims, and destroying mosques are against Muslim law, and those are all things ISIS is doing.


I think it will show ISIS that it has no place in the world.


Because everyone knows Shia and Sunni have always peacefully coexisted :lol2:

Doesn't mean it's not bad under Muslim law to kill them and destroy their mosques. They're still Muslim.
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Postby Blakk Metal » Sat Aug 09, 2014 1:52 pm

Upper America wrote:
Blakk Metal wrote:No, he wants to be called 'Caliph Ibrahim II', which is an exotic way of saying 'Head Theocrat Abraham II'.

No, I mean is that his NS name? We all know he's crazy enough to want to control an entire religion.

That's the name I made up for him. I hope it catches on.
Upper America wrote:
Unitaristic Regions wrote:
Because everyone knows Shia and Sunni have always peacefully coexisted :lol2:

Doesn't mean it's not bad under Muslim law to kill them and destroy their mosques. They're still Muslim.

Not according to these guys.

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Postby Unitaristic Regions » Sat Aug 09, 2014 1:52 pm

Benuty wrote:
Unitaristic Regions wrote:
Because everyone knows Shia and Sunni have always peacefully coexisted :lol2:

Why not? I mean all that crap started over a certain Caliph anyway :P.


Just some caliph dude :p
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Postby Benuty » Sat Aug 09, 2014 1:53 pm

Unitaristic Regions wrote:
Benuty wrote:Why not? I mean all that crap started over a certain Caliph anyway :P.


Just some caliph dude :p

Well the legitimacy of who was really the 4th Caliphs true heir...nevertheless :P.
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Postby Unitaristic Regions » Sat Aug 09, 2014 1:55 pm

Upper America wrote:
Unitaristic Regions wrote:
Because everyone knows Shia and Sunni have always peacefully coexisted :lol2:

Doesn't mean it's not bad under Muslim law to kill them and destroy their mosques. They're still Muslim.


And cathars were still christians. Didn't stop them for being eradicated in a crusade.

Muslim sectarism and inter-killing is simply not uncommon, as it's a religion still stuck in the Renaissance.
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Postby Unitaristic Regions » Sat Aug 09, 2014 1:56 pm

Benuty wrote:
Unitaristic Regions wrote:
Just some caliph dude :p

Well the legitimacy of who was really the 4th Caliphs true heir...nevertheless :P.


Oh, I thought it was over the question who should've succeeded Muhammad?
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Postby Upper America » Sat Aug 09, 2014 2:02 pm

Blakk Metal wrote:
Upper America wrote:No, I mean is that his NS name? We all know he's crazy enough to want to control an entire religion.

That's the name I made up for him. I hope it catches on.

It probably will. That's what I'm calling him from now on!

Blakk Metal wrote:
Upper America wrote:Doesn't mean it's not bad under Muslim law to kill them and destroy their mosques. They're still Muslim.

Not according to these guys.

Well, we all know Crazy Abe and his crazy ideas are messed up. I doubt he even read the Quran.
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Postby Benuty » Sat Aug 09, 2014 2:02 pm

Unitaristic Regions wrote:
Benuty wrote:Well the legitimacy of who was really the 4th Caliphs true heir...nevertheless :P.


Oh, I thought it was over the question who should've succeeded Muhammad?


Well in a way it was, considering Ali was in Muhammad's succession line (via bloodline rather than open). The majority (ie the Sunni's) contested such an issue leaving it up to the most pious to take the mantle. Eventually Ali became the fourth Caliph, and the problem of who was truly the successor to him caused the split even further.
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Postby Imperial Nilfgaard » Sat Aug 09, 2014 2:03 pm

Blakk Metal wrote:
Upper America wrote:They've also got Syrian and Iraqi weapons and bases.


Is that his name now?

No, he wants to be called 'Caliph Ibrahim II', which is an exotic way of saying 'Head Theocrat Abraham II'.


Ah right, Caliph Ibrahim II of the Islamic State.

What a modest guy
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Postby Benuty » Sat Aug 09, 2014 2:04 pm

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:
Blakk Metal wrote:No, he wants to be called 'Caliph Ibrahim II', which is an exotic way of saying 'Head Theocrat Abraham II'.


Ah right, Caliph Ibrahim II of the Islamic State.

What a modest guy

What nice bling you have on grandpa.

The better to smash your face in for marrying that whore down the street.

:P.
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Postby Unitaristic Regions » Sat Aug 09, 2014 2:05 pm

Benuty wrote:
Unitaristic Regions wrote:
Oh, I thought it was over the question who should've succeeded Muhammad?


Well in a way it was, considering Ali was in Muhammad's succession line (via bloodline rather than open). The majority (ie the Sunni's) contested such an issue leaving it up to the most pious to take the mantle. Eventually Ali became the fourth Caliph, and the problem of who was truly the successor to him caused the split even further.


Thanks for enlightening me! It always helps to have your history improved :)
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Postby Unitaristic Regions » Sat Aug 09, 2014 2:05 pm

Benuty wrote:
Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:
Ah right, Caliph Ibrahim II of the Islamic State.

What a modest guy

What nice bling you have on grandpa.

The better to smash your face in for marrying that whore down the street.

:P.


:lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :clap:
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Postby Upper America » Sat Aug 09, 2014 2:06 pm

Benuty wrote:
Unitaristic Regions wrote:
Oh, I thought it was over the question who should've succeeded Muhammad?


Well in a way it was, considering Ali was in Muhammad's succession line (via bloodline rather than open). The majority (ie the Sunni's) contested such an issue leaving it up to the most pious to take the mantle. Eventually Ali became the fourth Caliph, and the problem of who was truly the successor to him caused the split even further.

So, Muhammad's death messed up the religion he tried to spread? Seems like prophets are the only ones who can keep the religions together. If Jesus and Muhammad not died, the religions probably wouldn't be so divided. There also wouldn't be so much violence.
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Postby Greed and Death » Sat Aug 09, 2014 2:06 pm

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/0 ... 64594.html


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Postby Unitaristic Regions » Sat Aug 09, 2014 2:08 pm

Upper America wrote:
Benuty wrote:
Well in a way it was, considering Ali was in Muhammad's succession line (via bloodline rather than open). The majority (ie the Sunni's) contested such an issue leaving it up to the most pious to take the mantle. Eventually Ali became the fourth Caliph, and the problem of who was truly the successor to him caused the split even further.

So, Muhammad's death messed up the religion he tried to spread? Seems like prophets are the only ones who can keep the religions together. If Jesus and Muhammad not died, the religions probably wouldn't be so divided. There also wouldn't be so much violence.


Muhammad conquered Arabia. A stable Islam would have been bad news for peace!
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REVOLT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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