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Postby Constantinopolis » Tue Feb 03, 2015 7:22 pm

The one question that I just can't answer is why Daesh is going out of its way to appear pure evil. I mean, we live in the age of media wars, when most factions in most wars try as best they can to appear good and righteous and peace-loving to the outside world.

But Daesh is like, "fuck that, let's torture and murder people on camera, let's openly promote rape and slavery - bring on the cartoonish supervillainy!"

Why? Why are they so enthusiastically trying to look evil? I just can't explain it.
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Postby Al Nahar » Tue Feb 03, 2015 7:28 pm

Constantinopolis wrote:The one question that I just can't answer is why Daesh is going out of its way to appear pure evil. I mean, we live in the age of media wars, when most factions in most wars try as best they can to appear good and righteous and peace-loving to the outside world.

But Daesh is like, "fuck that, let's torture and murder people on camera, let's openly promote rape and slavery - bring on the cartoonish supervillainy!"

Why? Why are they so enthusiastically trying to look evil? I just can't explain it.


Daesh has attracted a lot of the young and uneducated energetic ones, they are not like Al Qaeda or the Muslim Brotherhood whose actions tend to coincide with grand strategic goals. This is one reason why Al Qaeda did not want AQ of Iraq in Syria, they ignored it and went rogue, they screwed one of Al Qaeda's grand plans which is to unite only when independent muslim emirates agree to unite, not by massive blitzkgrieg like Daesh is doing and massacring everyone. Al Qaeda also lost a lot of its foot soldiers and ground associates to Daesh because of the adrenaline rush and the shock of an Islamic Caliphate actually being born. Its really the Al Qaeda leadership that was intelligent, Baghdad is an idiot. Daesh may have the tech, individual smart guys who are good at computers or regular fighting but they are idiots on a strategic scale. So to continue answering your question, Daesh hit the Jihadist nerve core and taking it to a whole new level by implementing much of what was historically said among Jihadist scholars, but they did it way too early which is going to be the result of their downfall. Unless Daesh is going be effective at constantly opening up new major fronts in Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen, the Gulf, Iran, Turkey, Indonesia, maybe get their hands on Pakistani nukes they are going to collapse.
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Postby Napkiraly » Tue Feb 03, 2015 7:42 pm

Constantinopolis wrote:The one question that I just can't answer is why Daesh is going out of its way to appear pure evil. I mean, we live in the age of media wars, when most factions in most wars try as best they can to appear good and righteous and peace-loving to the outside world.

But Daesh is like, "fuck that, let's torture and murder people on camera, let's openly promote rape and slavery - bring on the cartoonish supervillainy!"

Why? Why are they so enthusiastically trying to look evil? I just can't explain it.

Same reason other people have done it throughout history. To make people surrender without having to fight. What they forgot is that in the times it worked, was when they'd also show incredible amounts of mercy, humility, and respect to those who surrendered.

When you fail to do that, well...you tend to get people fighting to the death.

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Postby Connori Pilgrims » Tue Feb 03, 2015 7:47 pm

Constantinopolis wrote:The one question that I just can't answer is why Daesh is going out of its way to appear pure evil. I mean, we live in the age of media wars, when most factions in most wars try as best they can to appear good and righteous and peace-loving to the outside world.

But Daesh is like, "fuck that, let's torture and murder people on camera, let's openly promote rape and slavery - bring on the cartoonish supervillainy!"

Why? Why are they so enthusiastically trying to look evil? I just can't explain it.


The things they do are "evil" only in the eyes of their enemies (and their victims, but this should go without saying). As shocking as it may be for us of secular or moderate faith/ideology/belief/whatever, there are some people who can actually wake up in the morning and justify this kind of savagery - either because they slid down the slippery slopes of justification their ideology laid before them have or because they're just sociopathic monsters who would've raped and murdered anyway in a state where there's no authority to stop them.
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Postby The Grand World Order » Tue Feb 03, 2015 7:50 pm

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Postby Napkiraly » Tue Feb 03, 2015 8:54 pm

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That was... fast...

Eh, the Jordanians announced yesterday that she and other convicted ISIS members were going to be executed at dawn (oohhhhh cliches ftw) as a response to al-Kasasbeh's execution.

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Postby Sebastianbourg » Tue Feb 03, 2015 9:11 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
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That was... fast...

Eh, the Jordanians announced yesterday that she and other convicted ISIS members were going to be executed at dawn (oohhhhh cliches ftw) as a response to al-Kasasbeh's execution.

The Jordanians did say they would avenge his death.
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Postby Page » Tue Feb 03, 2015 9:12 pm



It doesn't bother me but I doubt it'll be effective. Jihadists aren't afraid of their people dying.
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Postby Wolfenium » Tue Feb 03, 2015 9:17 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
Wolfenium wrote:
That was... fast...

Eh, the Jordanians announced yesterday that she and other convicted ISIS members were going to be executed at dawn (oohhhhh cliches ftw) as a response to al-Kasasbeh's execution.


Ah. Well, she had been rotting in death row for some time, so I guess it shouldn't be that surprising. Still, the Jordanians reacted fast to make their anger known.
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Postby The balkens » Tue Feb 03, 2015 9:51 pm

Wolfenium wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:Eh, the Jordanians announced yesterday that she and other convicted ISIS members were going to be executed at dawn (oohhhhh cliches ftw) as a response to al-Kasasbeh's execution.


Ah. Well, she had been rotting in death row for some time, so I guess it shouldn't be that surprising. Still, the Jordanians reacted fast to make their anger known.


Yea, they look pretty pissed.

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Postby Napkiraly » Tue Feb 03, 2015 9:56 pm

The balkens wrote:
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Ah. Well, she had been rotting in death row for some time, so I guess it shouldn't be that surprising. Still, the Jordanians reacted fast to make their anger known.


Yea, they look pretty pissed.

It was a partciularly brutal and barbaric action ISIS committed. I mean, it's not that surprising anymore, but still. I'm awaiting the day it's revealed they eat kittens and bathe in puppy blood.
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Postby Napkiraly » Tue Feb 03, 2015 10:05 pm

Something that really pisses me off is the number of Canadians against our mission in Afghanistan. As well as the media's coverage over the incident involving JTF2 troops engaging ISIS targets as being mission creep.

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Postby New Frenco Empire » Tue Feb 03, 2015 10:49 pm


Taking out the trash is a good start, but I'm just waiting for total fucking war.
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Postby Page » Tue Feb 03, 2015 11:11 pm

New Frenco Empire wrote:

Taking out the trash is a good start, but I'm just waiting for total fucking war.


Careful, mods are sticklers about celebrating death except for all the arbitrary instances where they don't care.
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Postby New Frenco Empire » Tue Feb 03, 2015 11:21 pm

Page wrote:
New Frenco Empire wrote:Taking out the trash is a good start, but I'm just waiting for total fucking war.


Careful, mods are sticklers about celebrating death except for all the arbitrary instances where they don't care.

Too late to go back now.

Maybe if I get warned, I'll be like her and probably become a martyr!...Probably not. Don't follow my example, kids. ;-;
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Postby Seraven » Tue Feb 03, 2015 11:35 pm

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Seraven wrote:I know right! Whites enslaved the natives, they killed them, they converted them forcibly, they acted like a better human beings than the Muslims.

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Postby Seraven » Tue Feb 03, 2015 11:43 pm

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You're good at posting new news about ISIS. :)


I follow the right sources on Twitter.


Hmm, I see.
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Postby Napkiraly » Wed Feb 04, 2015 12:00 am

Apparently King Abdullah is Pissed with a capital P. Apparently he even staright up quoted Clint mother fucking Eastwood in order to basically show how much ISIS is now screwed.

It wasn't said specifically which quote, but apparently it's from Unforgiven so this one seems the most appropriate given the context. "I've killed women and children. I've killed everything that walks or crawls at one time or another. And I'm here to kill you, Little Bill, for what you done to Ned."
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Postby The balkens » Wed Feb 04, 2015 12:18 am

Napkiraly wrote:Apparently King Abdullah is Pissed with a capital P. Apparently he even staright up quoted Clint mother fucking Eastwood in order to basically show how much ISIS is now screwed.

It wasn't said specifically which quote, but apparently it's from Unforgiven so this one seems the most appropriate given the context. "I've killed women and children. I've killed everything that walks or crawls at one time or another. And I'm here to kill you, Little Bill, for what you done to Ned."


So ISIS literally just fucked themselves into fuckery.

Oh shit.

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The balkens wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:Apparently King Abdullah is Pissed with a capital P. Apparently he even staright up quoted Clint mother fucking Eastwood in order to basically show how much ISIS is now screwed.

It wasn't said specifically which quote, but apparently it's from Unforgiven so this one seems the most appropriate given the context. "I've killed women and children. I've killed everything that walks or crawls at one time or another. And I'm here to kill you, Little Bill, for what you done to Ned."


So ISIS literally just fucked themselves into fuckery.

Oh shit.


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Postby Napkiraly » Wed Feb 04, 2015 12:22 am

The balkens wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:Apparently King Abdullah is Pissed with a capital P. Apparently he even staright up quoted Clint mother fucking Eastwood in order to basically show how much ISIS is now screwed.

It wasn't said specifically which quote, but apparently it's from Unforgiven so this one seems the most appropriate given the context. "I've killed women and children. I've killed everything that walks or crawls at one time or another. And I'm here to kill you, Little Bill, for what you done to Ned."


So ISIS literally just fucked themselves into fuckery.

Oh shit.

It's the most American thing ever. Obama should bestow honourary sunglasses to him.

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