Islamic State Crisis Megathread (ISIS/ISIL/IS)

[Connori Pilgrims]

The last thing the world needs is another theocracy, in my opinion. You're perfectly entitled to another, but mine is set.

As if the U.S. isn't a de facto theocracy. Any country that claims freedom of religion but makes decisions on school curriculum on a religious basis, where politicians have to say "God bless America" at the end of their speeches to gain any sort of popular support, where the same document that proclaims "freedom of religion" is the document that points to a single "Creator" for its legitimacy, is a country that is, if anything, a crypto-theocracy and has no right to conduct military conflicts on the grounds of countering theocracy.

Additionally, the U.S. being more involved against us will only fuel our ultimate resolve of uniting the entire Muslim world against them. So go ahead, bomb us, you're only giving us the legitimacy and popular support we need.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

The very concept of theocracy has no place in the Twenty-First Century. Hell it had no place in the Seventeenth (and I'm sure others would argue it has no place period). The sooner you and your so-called ISIS understands this, the better off the world will be.

Read above. You're also ignoring the general widespread propagation of religiously charged governments in the 17th century—even the only government of the 18th century to openly declare opposition to the combination of religion and state, for all intents and purposes, is and was a highly conservative Christian country. You're further ignoring the fact that national churches are still a thing in western countries (particularly the one that defined the western world, the UK), so your singular condemnation of it means, well, nothing.

Also, I fail to see how a crypto-theocracy dropping bombs on ISIS will be productive in telling ISIS fighters that "the concept of theocracy has no place in the Twenty-First Century". Just saying.

Certain areas of the USA being significantly influenced by the majority religion, and a statement (In God We Trust) which has become so widely used I'm not even certain if it holds the same meaning as before is a far far cry from what ISIS has been doing and promises to do. At least in the former, there is room to challenge and oppose them without resorting to blood. At least the USA does not go around beheading its Muslim children and demanding conversion from its religious minorities as a matter of policy. Or are you going to deny the beheadings of Christian children your idols just committed yesterday?

Lastly, "US is ebul crypto-theocracy" does not entitle you or this pitiful band of extremists to establish your own version of a theocracy against the will of the majority of people living there.

[Redemption-America]

Wat. "Our."

Wat

Wat

1. No.
2. lol.
3. No.

How about actually addressing my post in a reasonable and dignified manner as opposed to making unnecessary spam posts that amount to no constructive contribution to the discussion at hand?

I was more pointing out the hilarious pronoun usage. You aren't a member of ISIS. Even if, for some bizarre reason, you identify with them (while also criticizing the US, which isn't a theocracy, for being a theocracy), unless you are a member of the movement (in which case I'd assume you would be busy slaughtering civilians, rather than posting on NSG), saying "our" just comes off as a silly attempt to associate yourself with ISIS and against what is a primarily liberal, Western NSG audience. You can say "I agree with the ideals of ISIS" without saying "our." Saying our is silly.

[Vancon]

I doubt that nobody has mentioned this yet, but why doesn't the UN or a NATO group go in and liberate some fools? Public relations aside.

[Organized States]

I doubt that nobody has mentioned this yet, but why doesn't the UN or a NATO group go in and liberate some fools? Public relations aside.

Whole other can of worms, but the US really is committed to airstrikes and special forces at the moment, I suspect some other NATO countries may follow soon...

[Respawn]

Another set of US Airstrikes just rolled in, the Navy and the Air Force certainly are keeping the pressure up along with the Iraqi Air Force against this IS guys.

This might be the beginning of the end for these Jihadis, IMO. I certainly hope more strikes are launched to keep these guys at bay and destroy them before this gets any worse than it is.

Why in the world are you supporting the eradication of ISIS? The hate on this thread is perfectly representative of the interests against which ISIS is fighting. Stay out of our war.

Do you really think that if you lived in the Islamic State they'd allow you to visit this site at all?

[Blakk Metal]

Another set of US Airstrikes just rolled in, the Navy and the Air Force certainly are keeping the pressure up along with the Iraqi Air Force against this IS guys.

This might be the beginning of the end for these Jihadis, IMO. I certainly hope more strikes are launched to keep these guys at bay and destroy them before this gets any worse than it is.

Why in the world are you supporting the eradication of ISIS?

Because they are a cancer upon this Earth, that threatens to end the modern era with a magnitude of 1.9 decihitlers.

Why in the world are you supporting the eradication of ISIS? The hate on this thread is perfectly representative of the interests against which ISIS is fighting. Stay out of our war.

Do you really think that if you lived in the Islamic State they'd allow you to visit this site at all?

Do you really think that the Islamic State can afford to censor the internet?

[Respawn]

Do you really think that the Islamic State can afford to censor the internet?

They are the world's richest terrorist organisation, I don't see why not.
That said, I don't think they would be giving civilians access to the internet in the first place.

[St Azpilicueta]

I doubt that nobody has mentioned this yet, but why doesn't the UN or a NATO group go in and liberate some fools? Public relations aside.

Well the UN isn't really in the business of liberating countries just more or less sitting on their ass while they get fucked in the ass by bureaucrats. NATO has probably considered but I doubt ever bodies on board expect ally with the crisis in Ukraine going on and with the majority of NATO members located in Europe they are definitely more focused on the developing issues in the Ukraine rather then Iraq. Arab League isn't set up to liberate nations ether (I don't think they even have a military agreement) so yeah that basically how it's working out right now.

[Limborg]

I think the US and Iran should team up some special forces and attack the command structure of these terrorists, surely if coincided with an offensive by the Iraqi army it can do quite a bit of damage.

The US won't do that, they do everything to keep Iran "evil", working with them won't happen.

[Limborg]

I doubt that nobody has mentioned this yet, but why doesn't the UN or a NATO group go in and liberate some fools? Public relations aside.

NATO would only make it worse. UN is to busy being devided on everything.

[Upper America]

As if the U.S. isn't a de facto theocracy. Any country that claims freedom of religion but makes decisions on school curriculum on a religious basis, where politicians have to say "God bless America" at the end of their speeches to gain any sort of popular support, where the same document that proclaims "freedom of religion" is the document that points to a single "Creator" for its legitimacy, is a country that is, if anything, a crypto-theocracy and has no right to conduct military conflicts on the grounds of countering theocracy.

School curriculum on a religious basis? Please! We are taught evolution and the Big Bang theory, no theocracy would teach that. A theocracy usually takes one religion, makes it law, and oppresses the other religions. I'm not seeing that in the US.

Additionally, the U.S. being more involved against us will only fuel our ultimate resolve of uniting the entire Muslim world against them. So go ahead, bomb us, you're only giving us the legitimacy and popular support we need.

Real Muslims don't support ISIS, because ISIS violates Muslim law, as has been said various times here. Things like murder, killing of Muslims, and destroying mosques are against Muslim law, and those are all things ISIS is doing.

Also, I fail to see how a crypto-theocracy dropping bombs on ISIS will be productive in telling ISIS fighters that "the concept of theocracy has no place in the Twenty-First Century". Just saying.

I think it will show ISIS that it has no place in the world.

[Greed and Death]

It is times like these I am thankful my application to JAG did not get accepted. We will have boots on the ground by years end.

And it will be 100 times worse than Gulf War II. The people in the Iraq insurgency wanted power and security. Yeah they fought and some had to be killed but by and large they could be given a fair and reasonable concession. This ISIL on the other hand, they are absolutely mad. You can not bargain with people who have no sense of reality.

[Organized States]

It is times like these I am thankful my application to JAG did not get accepted. We will have boots on the ground by years end.

We already do have boots on the Ground, the Embassy is full of Marines, and the Special Forces are all over Iraq as we speak, I get the feeling it won't get much more than that however, simply due to the fact that Obama's entire campaign was about getting out of Iraq.

[Greed and Death]

It is times like these I am thankful my application to JAG did not get accepted. We will have boots on the ground by years end.

We already do have boots on the Ground, the Embassy is full of Marines, and the Special Forces are all over Iraq as we speak, I get the feeling it won't get much more than that however, simply due to the fact that Obama's entire campaign was about getting out of Iraq.

Yeah but when words like Genocide have significant evidence Democrats become significantly more hawk like.

Add in the oil and the Republicans will remain hawk like. It is that perfect storm of humanitarian and economic interest that ensures eventual full escalation becomes inevitable.

[Organized States]

We already do have boots on the Ground, the Embassy is full of Marines, and the Special Forces are all over Iraq as we speak, I get the feeling it won't get much more than that however, simply due to the fact that Obama's entire campaign was about getting out of Iraq.

Yeah but when words like Genocide have significant evidence Democrats become significantly more hawk like.

Add in the oil and the Republicans will remain hawk like. It is that perfect storm of humanitarian and economic interest that eventual full escalation.

Not quite, the elections are right around the corner, and neither party wants to start another war, especially another one in Iraq.

Though we will bomb the crap out of ISIS, followed by the total and utter destruction of their hierarchy, and collapse of the Organization by the end of the Year.

[Greed and Death]

Yeah but when words like Genocide have significant evidence Democrats become significantly more hawk like.

Add in the oil and the Republicans will remain hawk like. It is that perfect storm of humanitarian and economic interest that eventual full escalation.

Not quite, the elections are right around the corner, and neither party wants to start another war, especially another one in Iraq.

Though we will bomb the crap out of ISIS, followed by the total and utter destruction of their hierarchy, and collapse of the Organization by the end of the Year.

Yeah elections happen before years end. Everyone is going to play soft until November.

[Land and Freedom]

I doubt that nobody has mentioned this yet, but why doesn't the UN or a NATO group go in and liberate some fools? Public relations aside.

I'm sure that they would be welcomed as liberators... Just like last time.

[Greed and Death]

I doubt that nobody has mentioned this yet, but why doesn't the UN or a NATO group go in and liberate some fools? Public relations aside.

I'm sure that they would be welcomed as liberators... Just like last time.

As cruel as Saddam was I do not recall any tales of him having children decapitated and their heads mounted on spikes. This is some two millennia ago stuff going on.

[Land and Freedom]

I'm sure that they would be welcomed as liberators... Just like last time.

As cruel as Saddam was I do not recall any tales of him having children decapitated and their heads mounted on spikes. This is some two millennia ago stuff going on.

Of course, we can't know for certain, only time will tell. But I doubt, after the bloody history of the US occupation, and the widespread resentment that has sparked this unrest that American troops will be welcomed back.

[Upper America]

As cruel as Saddam was I do not recall any tales of him having children decapitated and their heads mounted on spikes. This is some two millennia ago stuff going on.

Of course, we can't know for certain, only time will tell. But I doubt, after the bloody history of the US occupation, and the widespread resentment that has sparked this unrest that American troops will be welcomed back.

I'm pretty sure Iraq and the Kurds want our help. I know the Kurds want our help.

[United Marxist Nations]

I'd love to capture these Neanderthals, amputate their limbs and feed them extensively (preferably pork) so they can live long lives. I'd set them up in San Francisco and force them to watch reruns of Honey Boo Boo and The Real Housewives. I'd have to remove their eyelids for that, too.

Then you can take their Ray Bans too (their press spokesperson on the Vice News series is wearing sunglasses that clearly say Ray Ban on the side), and their "Caliph" seems to have a thing for Rolex watches.

[Land and Freedom]

Of course, we can't know for certain, only time will tell. But I doubt, after the bloody history of the US occupation, and the widespread resentment that has sparked this unrest that American troops will be welcomed back.

I'm pretty sure Iraq and the Kurds want our help. I know the Kurds want our help.

Yes the Iraqi Kurds do want US help, so long as Iraqi Kurdistan isn't occupied by US troops. I suspect their pro-American attitude might change then.

[Upper America]

I'm pretty sure Iraq and the Kurds want our help. I know the Kurds want our help.

Yes the Iraqi Kurds do want US help, so long as Iraqi Kurdistan isn't occupied by US troops. I suspect their pro-American attitude might change then.

Why do you suspect that?

[Organized States]

I doubt that nobody has mentioned this yet, but why doesn't the UN or a NATO group go in and liberate some fools? Public relations aside.

I'm sure that they would be welcomed as liberators... Just like last time.

Contrary to popular belief, they were welcomed in 2003-2005.

[Land and Freedom]

Yes the Iraqi Kurds do want US help, so long as Iraqi Kurdistan isn't occupied by US troops. I suspect their pro-American attitude might change then.

Why do you suspect that?

Historically speaking, armed foreigners have generally been mistrusted.