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Postby New Jordslag » Sat Jan 31, 2015 8:08 pm

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The journalist is already dead :(

Aaaand, I predicted it.
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Postby New Jordslag » Sat Jan 31, 2015 10:26 pm


Ah, geez. I hate being right.

Still, Kobani is going well. Heard that in addition to the city proper, the Kurds captured like 5 Villages.
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Postby Romalae » Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:12 pm

So why is it that ISIS has killed the two Japanese hostages, but supposedly not the Jordanian one? Is there a simple reason for it? I would've assumed they'd kill the Jordanian first because he was actually involved in the anti-ISIS air strikes.
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Postby Mike the Progressive » Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:14 pm

Romalae wrote:So why is it that ISIS has killed the two Japanese hostages, but supposedly not the Jordanian one? Is there a simple reason for it? I would've assumed they'd kill the Jordanian first because he was actually involved in the anti-ISIS air strikes.


I thought I heard something about negotiations being under way.

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Postby Romalae » Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:15 pm

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Romalae wrote:So why is it that ISIS has killed the two Japanese hostages, but supposedly not the Jordanian one? Is there a simple reason for it? I would've assumed they'd kill the Jordanian first because he was actually involved in the anti-ISIS air strikes.


I thought I heard something about negotiations being under way.

I thought the negotiations involved both the Japanese and the Jordanian.
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Postby West Aurelia » Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:18 pm

Romalae wrote:So why is it that ISIS has killed the two Japanese hostages, but supposedly not the Jordanian one? Is there a simple reason for it? I would've assumed they'd kill the Jordanian first because he was actually involved in the anti-ISIS air strikes.


Perhaps they might be use him to secure the release of Rishawi, which Jordan had agreed to if it could be proved that he was alive.
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Postby Mike the Progressive » Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:19 pm

Romalae wrote:
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I thought I heard something about negotiations being under way.

I thought the negotiations involved both the Japanese and the Jordanian.


I don't know about the Japanese. I do know that Jordan was talking about releasing ISIS captives it has if ISIS did the same with the pilot. But last I heard the talks were going nowhere.
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Postby Germanic Templars » Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:30 pm

Mike the Progressive wrote:
Romalae wrote:I thought the negotiations involved both the Japanese and the Jordanian.


I don't know about the Japanese. I do know that Jordan was talking about releasing ISIS captives it has if ISIS did the same with the pilot. But last I heard the talks were going nowhere.


Which is why both parties need to come to a formal agreement. How so? Have the captives fight it out by tying both of their left wrists together and giving the comba-er, captives knives to fight. Who ever is alive, gets to go back to their respective party they affiliate with. *Please don't take serious, I was joking

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Postby Mike the Progressive » Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:36 pm

Germanic Templars wrote:
Mike the Progressive wrote:
I don't know about the Japanese. I do know that Jordan was talking about releasing ISIS captives it has if ISIS did the same with the pilot. But last I heard the talks were going nowhere.


Which is why both parties need to come to a formal agreement. How so? Have the captives fight it out by tying both of their left wrists together and giving the comba-er, captives knives to fight. Who ever is alive, gets to go back to their respective party they affiliate with. *Please don't take serious, I was joking


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Postby Mike the Progressive » Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:37 pm

New Jordslag wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:The journalist is already dead :(

Aaaand, I predicted it.


You and a lot of people.

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Postby Seraven » Sun Feb 01, 2015 3:26 am

Mike the Progressive wrote:
Germanic Templars wrote:
Which is why both parties need to come to a formal agreement. How so? Have the captives fight it out by tying both of their left wrists together and giving the comba-er, captives knives to fight. Who ever is alive, gets to go back to their respective party they affiliate with. *Please don't take serious, I was joking


:lol:


Oh, so you are laughing because there people went dead?
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Postby Mike the Progressive » Sun Feb 01, 2015 4:08 am

Seraven wrote:
Mike the Progressive wrote:
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Oh, so you are laughing because there people went dead?

Yes that's exactly what I'm laughing at :roll: btw are there any babies that you know of thatI can punch? Clearly I would enjoy it since anything remotely funny said in this thread is a clear indicator that I lack empathy for all things and enjoy the tears of others.

Btw in case you were wondering that was fucking sarcasm, because apparently now we have to say it whenever we do it.

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Postby New Jordslag » Sun Feb 01, 2015 6:04 am

Romalae wrote:So why is it that ISIS has killed the two Japanese hostages, but supposedly not the Jordanian one? Is there a simple reason for it? I would've assumed they'd kill the Jordanian first because he was actually involved in the anti-ISIS air strikes.

Simple. The Japanese Hostages are a mere Freelance Journalist and a guy who cut his own Genitals off. Not worth that much to Jordan, who holds a Female Bomber captive that ISIS wants desperately for some goddamned reason. Therefore, Al-Kasaesbeh has all but immunity from ISIS executions. Jordan wants him desperately, after all, since he's a member of a powerful clan that has long been in an alliance with the Jordanian King and threatens to drop out of the Alliance if Kasaesbeh is killed. Plus, you know, he's a good pilot who happened to have a Plane Malfunction. Over the ISIS Capital. I'm thinking he doesn't have good luck.

The Japanese Journalists, however, are not members of a powerful Arabic clan, and are 'merely' Japanese, so Jordan isn't that concerned about saving them. I'm thinking they were killed because ISIS realized that they had no real value compared to Kasaesbeh.
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Postby Seraven » Sun Feb 01, 2015 6:27 am

Mike the Progressive wrote:
Seraven wrote:
Oh, so you are laughing because there people went dead?

Yes that's exactly what I'm laughing at :roll: btw are there any babies that you know of thatI can punch? Clearly I would enjoy it since anything remotely funny said in this thread is a clear indicator that I lack empathy for all things and enjoy the tears of others.

Btw in case you were wondering that was fucking sarcasm, because apparently now we have to say it whenever we do it.


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Should Japan send boots on the ground to fight ISIS?

Postby Nerovia » Sun Feb 01, 2015 7:01 am

As most of you have heard last night, a video surfaced onto the internet showing Japanese journalist Kenji Goto was beheaded by the infamous ISIS militant Jihadist John (nickname included because he has British English accent) http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-31075769

This horrific act alone raises me a big question;

Will Japan send troops (or as I say boots on the ground) to fight out the militant group in response? Do you think there are different solutions?


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Postby Arcanda » Sun Feb 01, 2015 7:05 am

If we do, then maybe they'll participate in the war.But boots, as in combat infantry? I don't think so.

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Postby Herrebrugh » Sun Feb 01, 2015 7:07 am

How about planes to the ground?
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Postby Beniaminia » Sun Feb 01, 2015 7:10 am

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Postby Divitaen » Sun Feb 01, 2015 7:13 am

I fail to see how sending boots on the ground begins to resolve the problem. Ignoring that the JSPD obviously cannot begin a land invasion, the whole kidnapping of foreign nationals started in retailiation for the bombings over Iraq by the US and other countries. I shudder to think about how the conflict will escalate if Japan intervenes so directly, plus preventing the death of Japanese nationals by sending Japanese nationals to die seems like quite a stupid solution.
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Postby Dejanic » Sun Feb 01, 2015 7:14 am

Japan intervening would be pretty good, it would save the West some money for when we inevitably intervene, and it would be a lot harder for terrorists to meld into Japanese society and commit acts of terror as a retaliation, like they could in London, New York, etc.
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Postby Cestyr » Sun Feb 01, 2015 7:19 am

Out of all the countries which possibly should invade Syria to tackle ISIS, a far-east asian country that not only has very little culturally in common with the area, but also possesses little ability to move the amount of troops and resources needed to the middle east is probably not the best choice, no?
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Postby Lunatic Goofballs » Sun Feb 01, 2015 8:01 am

They should send ninjas.
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Postby Chestaan » Sun Feb 01, 2015 8:46 am

The UN should intervene with an international force. Of course, seeing as how that won't happen it would be nice to see nations intervening themselves and if Japan did then I wouldn't be opposed to it.
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