Islamic State Crisis Megathread (ISIS/ISIL/IS)

[The Pacific Ocean]

The US has stepped up the air strikes against ISIS. Not sure if this has been posted already.

WASHINGTON — U.S. warplanes made a second wave of airstrikes Friday in northern Iraq against the militants who have besieged a religious group and threatened the city of Irbil, a Pentagon official said.

Rear Adm. John Kirby, spokesman for Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel, said the second wave of strikes used a drone to attack a mortar position while four FA-18 fighter-attack planes hit a seven-vehicle convoy outside Irbil.

In a statement, Kirby said "shortly after 10 a.m. EDT, remotely piloted aircraft struck a terrorist mortar position." When the military returned to the site, they were attacked again "and successfully eliminated."

At 11:20 a.m. EDT, the second wave struck the convoy and the mortar position, Kirby said. "The aircraft executed two planned passes. On both runs, each aircraft dropped one laser-guided bomb, making a total of eight bombs dropped on target, neutralizing the mortar and convoy."

The drones involved in the strike were Predators, armed with Hellfire missiles, according to a Pentagon official who spoke about the operation on condition of anonymity because officials were not authorized to speak publicly on those details.

Assessment of the effects of the bombs was clear cut, the official said, because pilots can see the specific targets and the effect of 500-pound bombs and Hellfire missiles is "immediate."

The aircraft from the first strikes came from the USS George H.W. Bush, an aircraft carrier operating in the Persian Gulf, according to a second Defense official who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive military details.

President Obama said Thursday night that airstrikes would be used if the militants threatened Irbil, home to a U.S. consulate and a joint U.S.-Iraqi operations center

Full story here: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... /13767377/

Good. Someone's actually doing something about this.

[Murkwood]

You guys hear? ISIS/ISIL/IS/SIC/The Terror Group Formally Known as ISIS took the Mosul Dam. Some think they might destroy it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/chec ... mosul-dam/

I doubt they will, however. ISIS/ISIL/IS/SIC/The Terror Group Formally Known as ISIS is also interested in state-building, and no benefit could come from destroying it in the long-term. Thoughts?

Does the Qu'ran have anything to say on the topic of destroying dams?

I don't think that was a priority for Muhammad.

[Blakk Metal]

You guys hear? ISIS/ISIL/IS/SIC/The Terror Group Formally Formerly Known as ISIS took the Mosul Dam. Some think they might destroy it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/chec ... mosul-dam/

I doubt they will, however. ISIS/ISIL/IS/SIC/The Terror Group Formally Formerly Known as ISIS is also interested in state-building, and no benefit could come from destroying it in the long-term. Thoughts?

Corrected.

[Murkwood]

You guys hear? ISIS/ISIL/IS/SIC/The Terror Group Formally Formerly Known as ISIS took the Mosul Dam. Some think they might destroy it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/chec ... mosul-dam/

I doubt they will, however. ISIS/ISIL/IS/SIC/The Terror Group Formally Formerly Known as ISIS is also interested in state-building, and no benefit could come from destroying it in the long-term. Thoughts?

Corrected.

Shit.

[Upper America]

Actually, that map... Was made by white supremacists. They're not real. Chances are, ISIS doesn't want to go into Europe. A lot of Muslims are immigrating to Europe, and they're probably putting Spain and the Balkans down as occupied to raise hatred towards Muslims.

Chances are, they don't want Europe. They'll probably limit themselves to the Middle East and Africa, unless they actually take over those places. Which they'll never do.

They still want to reunify Islam, and the Serbs are between them and Bosnia, which is Muslim.

So, they plan to take non-Muslim countries too?

You guys hear? ISIS/ISIL/IS/SIC/The Terror Group Formerly Known as ISIS took the Mosul Dam. Some think they might destroy it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/chec ... mosul-dam/

I doubt they will, however. ISIS/ISIL/IS/SIC/The Terror Group Formerly Known as ISIS is also interested in state-building, and no benefit could come from destroying it in the long-term. Thoughts?

I read destroying that would inundate multiple major cities. I doubt they'll harm Mosul, it's the biggest city they control.

[Blakk Metal]

They still want to reunify Islam, and the Serbs are between them and Bosnia, which is Muslim.

So, they plan to take non-Muslim countries too?

Any plan to unite Islam would need to do so.

[Upper America]

So, they plan to take non-Muslim countries too?

Any plan to unite Islam would need to do so.

Well... There are some pretty Islamic cities in Michigan...
D:

[United Marxist Nations]

Things are getting desperate. I have been opposed to foreign intervention many times, but I say it: Turkey must intervene.

[Limborg]

1.You thought, yes, based on nothing really. Iraq was "fine" before the US came. Hell, thanks to the US Al-Qaeda managed to get a foothold in Iraq.
Afghanistan was the same for more then 10 years, tell me, what was the urge to invade it? 9/11? Well, i hope you are glad that the US went there to "help". 9/11 was nothing compared to those US led invasions, killing god knows how many innocents. And what did you achieved? More terrorism, stronger terrorism and a destroyed Middle-East. Now again, how exactly did you help?

The Middle East has been in unrest for years, longer than the US has been in there.

2.Bin Laden didn't kill anyone, other people did. Or should we hang Bush now for killing almost half a million Iraqi's? I could almost laugh at 9/11, especially compared to what you did to the Iraqi people and the people of Afghanistan. The biggest terrorist inolved in that crappy war on terror is the US itself along with its partners.

How old are you? You couldn't have lived through 9/11. Bin Laden didn't directly kill anyone, but he ordered the deaths of 3,000 innocent people. As for civilians killed in wars, the US is far from the only country who kills innocents in war. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict has killed people on both sides for years. Great Britain's imperial romps during it's empire killed thousands. Same with Spain. Both China and Russia are killing civilians in the areas they are fighting in. The Ukranian rebels killed over 100 people when they shot down a plane. Thing is, civilian death is a side effect of war, the United States is far from the only one who's killed civilians.

Also, i'm not from the US, so no, don't compare me with one of those hippies in your country.

I'm not just talking about other Americans. The entire world pitches a fit when we intervene, despite the fact that we are the only superpower left, and we're expected to intervene.

3. Nah, you don't act like a dictatorship... You invade a country, occupy it. Then you refuse to convict those that commit warcrimes, you start implementing your own rules that the occupied country has to follow... Nah, not a dictatorship at all...

Again, multiple countries do this. Let's take the invasion of Iraq in 2003. Great Britain, Italy, France, Canada, and various other countries invaded. Same with Afghanistan. They probably killed innocents, too.

Again, you're not trying to help at all, the only thing the US does is implementing their rule over those countries, wich is imperialism. wether you like it or not, its happening. And no, the world doesn't want you to help, by claiming that you already show your childish attitude to the world. The only one in Iraq that whines aobut US help is that fool of a president. The people there don't want it, and the people are the ones that count in a country. And no, i would never, ever bitch about the US staying out of other people's buisness. You're typicall biased pro-US, a person without reasoning who typically starts to fingerpoint to other countries.

If the world hates America, why the hell did they help us invade Iraq and Afghanistan? Hmmm? Why do we have allies? Explain that.

You're a typical biased anti-US person. You are narrow-minded, forgetting about all the good that we do. Aiding Kuwait when it was invaded, helping Japan and Haiti out after their earthquakes, trying to find peace between Israel and Palestine. Yes, we do some shitty things, but three or four flawed military operations do not outnumber all the times we've helped countries facing genocide, invasion, or disaster.

A good job? A job that the Arabs could handle themselves, a job that led to 9/11. Really good yeah...

Learn your history. We invaded Iraq and Afghanistan after 9/11. I won't debate with you if you can't even grasp simple things.

Tell me, if the US wants to "help" so badly, then where was it when the protests in Bahrain, Qatar and Saudi-Arabia started? Where is it in Yemen or Somalia? When is it going to save the people anywhere? Oh that's right, the last thing the US cares about are the people they are "helping"

Well, now that people like you bitch and whine, we're less eager to help, because we know you'll call us imperial dictators. If anyone is to blame, it's people like you. Whining about America being imperial when we try to help and fuck up a few times.

You wanna see real imperialism? Do you? Look at China. Or Russia. Or Great Britain. That is imperialism. Sure, we did some imperial things, but I can guarantee you most Americans are ashamed we did things like invade Vietnam or Iraq. Don't run to America all the time when you wanna bitch about imperialism, because there's been a lot worse. One asshole of a president doesn't make America an imperial dictatorship.

1. True, but all trouble in the Middle-East today can be blamed on the US.

2. I lived during 9/11 and no, i don't go whining about how sad it was. The US had it coming. Bush orderd the killing of almost a million people, so no, 9/11 wasn't that big of a deal. And again, stop fingerpointing to other countries like a child, we're discussing the US, nobody else.

3. You're not the only superpower, its another claim of yours without actually backing. And no, we do not expect you to intervene, you just intervene and we have to live with that. Get your facts clear please.

4.Again fingerpointing.

5.The world =/= the west and the world =/= governments of countries.
You are the one here that is narrow minded, you're the biased pro-US dude who thinks his country is the most awesome place on earth that isn't doing bad things on purpose. No, those few good things do not outweight the shitty stuff your country has done.

6. My history? You are clearly not thinking straight. The Gulf war happend before 9/11 remember? And it led to 9/11 remember? Please man, you're the one that seems to forget all the facts. You didn't even know that ISIS was Sunni, that already shows your intellectual capabilities.

7.Haha, people like me? Perhaps the US shouldn't have killed half a million people then, perhaps the US shouldn't have screwed up so many times... And you blame people that complain about this? Serious? You blame people for being angry at a country that commits warcrimes and doesn't gets charged for it becouse they don't cooperate with the ICJ, how pathetic can you be.

8. First of all, it wasn't just one shitty presidents, it where multiple, if not all, shitty presidents. Second, No, you're no better then China or Russia. And on that last one, again, stop the fingerpointing, its childish and pointless.

[Limborg]

Things are getting desperate. I have been opposed to foreign intervention many times, but I say it: Turkey must intervene.

I really don't agree as Turkey would act biased when present in any of the two countries.

[United Marxist Nations]

Things are getting desperate. I have been opposed to foreign intervention many times, but I say it: Turkey must intervene.

I really don't agree as Turkey would act biased when present in any of the two countries.

And what do you propose? None of the forces in the region can protect themselves, much less civilians.

[Herskerstad]

Allah is Acquainted with what you do.

Allah is my judge the 2 angles whom count my deeds will show Allah. And I I can tell he approves every prayer I have prayed and every dua has been met to my expectations I have had several dreams of Mekkah and Jerusalem I've even had a dream of fighting jihad and diing in his way being Shahid is what it's called. So I must be doing something right and I will not let nonbelievers and misturpitaions lead me away.

Fine, if Allah's reward for those who die futile deaths, for futile causes, with futile intentions at heart is enough to get you eternal life, then carry on. The death, maiming or otherwise spiritual misery that awaits you will be your own to thread.

If a gut feeling in you might see some level of insanity in what you're thinking of doing, and an ounce of skepticism surface. Send me a telegraph. Also a warning, if you are going to become buddies with the IS people, do under no circumstances tell them of your dreams. Just vocalizing such among the more learned crowd could get you punished for Shirke-al-Akbar, as in Islam, the last prophet has already passed away, and they do not take kindly to people who claim to have visions of any kind from Allah.

[Upper America]

1. True, but all trouble in the Middle-East today can be blamed on the US.

Sure, if you're a narrow-minded person who doesn't know about Egypt or Yemen.

2. I lived during 9/11 and no, i don't go whining about how sad it was. The US had it coming. Bush orderd the killing of almost a million people, so no, 9/11 wasn't that big of a deal. And again, stop fingerpointing to other countries like a child, we're discussing the US, nobody else.

Bush ordering the killing of a million people? I didn't know kicking Saddam out of Kuwait was a bad thing.

3. You're not the only superpower, its another claim of yours without actually backing. And no, we do not expect you to intervene, you just intervene and we have to live with that. Get your facts clear please.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superpower
http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2013/11/24/why-the-u-s-remains-the-worlds-unchallenged-superpower/
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/10/31/nouri-al-maliki-asks-america-for-help-in-defeating-al-qaeda-affiliate-in-iraq.html
You were saying?

4.Again fingerpointing.

Are you not reading your own posts?

5.The world =/= the west and the world =/= governments of countries.
You are the one here that is narrow minded, you're the biased pro-US dude who thinks his country is the most awesome place on earth that isn't doing bad things on purpose. No, those few good things do not outweight the shitty stuff your country has done.

I'm sorry you don't like it when people like their governments. No need to bitch about it.

And yes, the good things we do does outweigh the shitty stuff. We've done more good than harm, it's just usually obscured behind the crappy wars and messed up politics.

6. My history? You are clearly not thinking straight. The Gulf war happend before 9/11 remember? And it led to 9/11 remember? Please man, you're the one that seems to forget all the facts. You didn't even know that ISIS was Sunni, that already shows your intellectual capabilities.

The first gulf war. Remember, when we invaded Iraq (second gulf war), we found that they didn't have ties to Al-Qaeda. The first gulf war wasn't shitty, either. The US and an international coalition kicked Iraq out of Kuwait. And don't go around calling me stupid. You're the one who's under the impression that America killed half a million people before the 2003 invasion.

7.Haha, people like me? Perhaps the US shouldn't have killed half a million people then, perhaps the US shouldn't have screwed up so many times... And you blame people that complain about this? Serious? You blame people for being angry at a country that commits warcrimes and doesn't gets charged for it becouse they don't cooperate with the ICJ, how pathetic can you be.

We didn't kill them on purpose, unlike Great Britain and it's imperialism. Your complaints of fingerpointing clearly point to the idea that you're ashamed of your own country, and just don't want people to call you out on it.

8. First of all, it wasn't just one shitty presidents, it where multiple, if not all, shitty presidents. Second, No, you're no better then China or Russia. And on that last one, again, stop the fingerpointing, its childish and pointless.

Oh really? So, when I say a country is imperial, I'm childish, but when you do it, it's ok? Really? Get your mind right, and then come back to me.

[Limborg]

I really don't agree as Turkey would act biased when present in any of the two countries.

And what do you propose? None of the forces in the region can protect themselves, much less civilians.

I'm not sure yet, there isn't much of a good solution sadly, but i would go with more like a regional effort, not Turkey alone. Let it be Turkey, Saudi-Arabia and Iran or so.

[Upper America]

I really don't agree as Turkey would act biased when present in any of the two countries.

And what do you propose? None of the forces in the region can protect themselves, much less civilians.

Personally, I think a whole bunch of countries should intervene. The US has already done it. The EU should do something, Russia should aid Syria (it's ally), and the other middle Eastern countries should fight the very thing that threatens their way of life.

[Limborg]

1. True, but all trouble in the Middle-East today can be blamed on the US.

Sure, if you're a narrow-minded person who doesn't know about Egypt or Yemen.

2. I lived during 9/11 and no, i don't go whining about how sad it was. The US had it coming. Bush orderd the killing of almost a million people, so no, 9/11 wasn't that big of a deal. And again, stop fingerpointing to other countries like a child, we're discussing the US, nobody else.

Bush ordering the killing of a million people? I didn't know kicking Saddam out of Kuwait was a bad thing.

3. You're not the only superpower, its another claim of yours without actually backing. And no, we do not expect you to intervene, you just intervene and we have to live with that. Get your facts clear please.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superpower
http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2013/11/24/why-the-u-s-remains-the-worlds-unchallenged-superpower/
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/10/31/nouri-al-maliki-asks-america-for-help-in-defeating-al-qaeda-affiliate-in-iraq.html
You were saying?

4.Again fingerpointing.

Are you not reading your own posts?

5.The world =/= the west and the world =/= governments of countries.
You are the one here that is narrow minded, you're the biased pro-US dude who thinks his country is the most awesome place on earth that isn't doing bad things on purpose. No, those few good things do not outweight the shitty stuff your country has done.

I'm sorry you don't like it when people like their governments. No need to bitch about it.

And yes, the good things we do does outweigh the shitty stuff. We've done more good than harm, it's just usually obscured behind the crappy wars and messed up politics.

6. My history? You are clearly not thinking straight. The Gulf war happend before 9/11 remember? And it led to 9/11 remember? Please man, you're the one that seems to forget all the facts. You didn't even know that ISIS was Sunni, that already shows your intellectual capabilities.

The first gulf war. Remember, when we invaded Iraq (second gulf war), we found that they didn't have ties to Al-Qaeda. The first gulf war wasn't shitty, either. The US and an international coalition kicked Iraq out of Kuwait. And don't go around calling me stupid. You're the one who's under the impression that America killed half a million people before the 2003 invasion.

7.Haha, people like me? Perhaps the US shouldn't have killed half a million people then, perhaps the US shouldn't have screwed up so many times... And you blame people that complain about this? Serious? You blame people for being angry at a country that commits warcrimes and doesn't gets charged for it becouse they don't cooperate with the ICJ, how pathetic can you be.

We didn't kill them on purpose, unlike Great Britain and it's imperialism. Your complaints of fingerpointing clearly point to the idea that you're ashamed of your own country, and just don't want people to call you out on it.

8. First of all, it wasn't just one shitty presidents, it where multiple, if not all, shitty presidents. Second, No, you're no better then China or Russia. And on that last one, again, stop the fingerpointing, its childish and pointless.

Oh really? So, when I say a country is imperial, I'm childish, but when you do it, it's ok? Really? Get your mind right, and then come back to me.

1. Says the person who thinks that Egypt is a Middle-Eastern nation.

2. You're pathetic

3. See above

4. I read them.

5. Government =/= People
You claim it does, facts tell otherwise.

Oh, and no, it doesn't.

6. You are messing up everything here. Kuwait war led to 9/11 wich led to a series of lies and propaganda wich led to Invading Iraq where half a million people died. This is what i said all along. Don't try to twist stuff for your own crap.

7. Not on purpose? Ever heard of Fallujah? You really need to go back to school. The US bombed them. The US knew civillians where there, but continued to bomb. And then you claim it was an accident?

I'm not, I'm Dutch and really not ashamed, at least our government thinks before it goes of messing stuff up.

8. Either you're really that stupid or like said, you're childish.


Anyhow, i'm not even going to discuss this any furter, your like a wierd mutant twist between Obama and McCain or something... Unreasonable to say atleast.

[Limborg]

And what do you propose? None of the forces in the region can protect themselves, much less civilians.

Personally, I think a whole bunch of countries should intervene. The US has already done it. The EU should do something, Russia should aid Syria (it's ally), and the other middle Eastern countries should fight the very thing that threatens their way of life.

So you're basicly saying that the world should clean up the mess that the US made... Sounds familiar...

[Antirome]

Guys, I know the topic is tense, but we really should not let this boil over.

[Upper America]

1. Says the person who thinks that Egypt is a Middle-Eastern nation.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East

2. You're pathetic

See above.

The casualties of the Iraq War in 2003 was half a million. 500,000 people. That happened after 9/11, so no, Al-Qaeda did not perpetrate these attacks because of the Iraq war. We invaded Iraq because of 9/11, and it was a huge mistake.

3. See above

Looks like you gave up at looking remotely good at debating.

4. I read them.

And did you realize that you are pointing fingers at the USA? And it's only bad when I do it?

5. Government =/= People
You claim it does, facts tell otherwise.

Who's behind the governments? Are Obama, Putin, Queen Elizabeth, and Saddam all robots?

Oh, and no, it doesn't.

Source this bullshit, don't just say no.

6. You are messing up everything here. Kuwait war led to 9/11 wich led to a series of lies and propaganda wich led to Invading Iraq where half a million people died. This is what i said all along. Don't try to twist stuff for your own crap.

See above.

7. Not on purpose? Ever heard of Fallujah? You really need to go back to school. The US bombed them. The US knew civillians where there, but continued to bomb. And then you claim it was an accident?

Yes, I have. There were insurgents in that city. They waited in people's homes for days just waiting for a marine to poke his head in. It was also one of the most stressful battles in the war. You sound like a crackpot conspiracy theorist who runs a blogging site. We don't just rush in and kill civilians, we learned our lesson after Vietnam.

I'm not, I'm Dutch and really not ashamed, at least our government thinks before it goes of messing stuff up.

Bush was a moron, that's why he did what he did. He clearly didn't have the expertise of his father. The reason why it took so long for Obama to make up his mind is because we don't want to just rush in on and screw up again. And I see you're European. You have a reason to hate nationalism. But don't whine to us when we act all proud of our country, because we have reasons.

8. Either you're really that stupid or like said, you're childish.

Tone down the flaming, ok. You are pointing fingers. At the US.

Anyhow, i'm not even going to discuss this any furter, your like a wierd mutant twist between Obama and McCain or something... Unreasonable to say atleast.

And now I know you're chickening out. I can confirm you are wrong about everything you've been saying.

[Upper America]

Personally, I think a whole bunch of countries should intervene. The US has already done it. The EU should do something, Russia should aid Syria (it's ally), and the other middle Eastern countries should fight the very thing that threatens their way of life.

So you're basicly saying that the world should clean up the mess that the US made... Sounds familiar...

No. The US is also intervening as we speak. And I think we need to get involved to fix what we messed up.

Guys, I know the topic is tense, but we really should not let this boil over.

It's NSG. People like Limborg don't know how to debate, and go around calling other stupid and pathetic.

[Antirome]

It's NSG. People like Limborg don't know how to debate, and go around calling other stupid and pathetic.

If you say so, man. I just don't want you to get on the mod's shitlist.

[Upper America]

It's NSG. People like Limborg don't know how to debate, and go around calling other stupid and pathetic.

If you say so, man. I just don't want you to get on the mod's shitlist.

I'm not the one calling people stupid and childish.

[Arkolon]

Does anyone know if the Maghrebian diaspora in France, or surrounding Western European countries, are up in arms after Obama's confirmed strikes?

[Trygg]

Sure, if you're a narrow-minded person who doesn't know about Egypt or Yemen.


Bush ordering the killing of a million people? I didn't know kicking Saddam out of Kuwait was a bad thing.


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superpower
http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2013/11/24/why-the-u-s-remains-the-worlds-unchallenged-superpower/
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/10/31/nouri-al-maliki-asks-america-for-help-in-defeating-al-qaeda-affiliate-in-iraq.html
You were saying?


Are you not reading your own posts?


I'm sorry you don't like it when people like their governments. No need to bitch about it.

And yes, the good things we do does outweigh the shitty stuff. We've done more good than harm, it's just usually obscured behind the crappy wars and messed up politics.


The first gulf war. Remember, when we invaded Iraq (second gulf war), we found that they didn't have ties to Al-Qaeda. The first gulf war wasn't shitty, either. The US and an international coalition kicked Iraq out of Kuwait. And don't go around calling me stupid. You're the one who's under the impression that America killed half a million people before the 2003 invasion.


We didn't kill them on purpose, unlike Great Britain and it's imperialism. Your complaints of fingerpointing clearly point to the idea that you're ashamed of your own country, and just don't want people to call you out on it.


Oh really? So, when I say a country is imperial, I'm childish, but when you do it, it's ok? Really? Get your mind right, and then come back to me.

1. Says the person who thinks that Egypt is a Middle-Eastern nation.

2. You're pathetic

3. See above

4. I read them.

5. Government =/= People
You claim it does, facts tell otherwise.

Oh, and no, it doesn't.

6. You are messing up everything here. Kuwait war led to 9/11 wich led to a series of lies and propaganda wich led to Invading Iraq where half a million people died. This is what i said all along. Don't try to twist stuff for your own crap.

7. Not on purpose? Ever heard of Fallujah? You really need to go back to school. The US bombed them. The US knew civillians where there, but continued to bomb. And then you claim it was an accident?

I'm not, I'm Dutch and really not ashamed, at least our government thinks before it goes of messing stuff up.

8. Either you're really that stupid or like said, you're childish.

Your argument can really be summed up into "The U.S sucks and Europe kicks yankee ass". Drop your elitist attitude, it discredits what you have to say, which really isn't much. Seems like you're just restating what you've said earlier without going into detail. The only thing new you've added to your argument is logical fallacy. Your argument is heavily dependent on false cause and strawman logic. For example:

7. Not on purpose? Ever heard of Fallujah? You really need to go back to school. The US bombed them. The US knew civillians where there, but continued to bomb. And then you claim it was an accident?

Upper America never mentioned Fallujah. You state that the U.S bombed civilians that it knew where there, and you go on to state that Upper America claims it was an accident. A well fabricated argument, but you can't put words in the mouths of others to prove your points.

[Upper America]

Does anyone know if the Maghrebian diaspora in France, or surrounding Western European countries, are up in arms after Obama's confirmed strikes?

I assume they are primarily Muslim areas? A lot of Muslims reject ISIS, including some well-known Islamic professors.