Islamic State Crisis Megathread (ISIS/ISIL/IS)

[Gauthier]

The only Crooks here are Ayatollah Sistani and Predisent Maliki.

They haven't radicalized Islam nor tore down mosques, nor force convert Christians in Mosul or be put to death have they?

Sure they may not be strong, but compared to the prick in charge of ISIS and what he has done in the past few months, they don't seem that bad of people to me.

Except of course their rampant Shi'a favoritism including letting thug squads have a field day pissed off the Sunni minority to where they started sympathizing with ISIS out of revenge.

[Limborg]

1.Nope, you don't. See Iraq & Afghanistan.

We invaded Iraq because we thought that they were harbor Al Qaeda and WMDs. We were wrong, but we thought there was a problem. Afghanistan was also invaded because of the extremist issues.

2.No you didn't fixed that, Al-Qaeda is still around and has only gotten stronger thanks to the US. Bin laden was only its leader, he simply got replaced. Bin laden was of no intrests to anyone since it wouldn't bring down anything and he would only get replaced by someone else. Basicly there was no point at killing him at all.
No you can't fix that. You will, same as with Al-Qaeda, create a bigger and stronger enemy. They will only get more support and more fighters. I really don't undertand how you can deny that.

Bin laden killed 3,000 people in one attack. Yes, there was indeed a reason to kill him. And we did weaken Al Qaeda, they just strengthened when we left in such a haste.

You just make that generalization because of one asshole president who had no idea how to run a country, and then another who was way too hasty in leaving the Middle East because people like you were whining about it. We didn't create a bigger enemy when we liberated Kuwait. And how about Haiti?

3.Helping countries isn't imperialistic, but then, the US isn't helping those countries we talk about, the US is only screwing them over, demanding democracy while acting as a dictatorship. You continue to claim that the US is helping these countries, what on earth makes you think that? Please, point out, who and what and where are they exactly helping in the Middle-East.

Acting like a dictatorship? I don't take conspiracies serious. We are in no way a dictatorship. We're just trying to help, like the world wants us to. Yes, the world wants our help? Iraq is pleading for our help. By ignoring their call for help, we'll make the situation worse, and then you'll be bitching about us not intervening.

Do you remember the first gulf war? When we booted Saddam out of Kuwait? We did a good job, there.

1.You thought, yes, based on nothing really. Iraq was "fine" before the US came. Hell, thanks to the US Al-Qaeda managed to get a foothold in Iraq.
Afghanistan was the same for more then 10 years, tell me, what was the urge to invade it? 9/11? Well, i hope you are glad that the US went there to "help". 9/11 was nothing compared to those US led invasions, killing god knows how many innocents. And what did you achieved? More terrorism, stronger terrorism and a destroyed Middle-East. Now again, how exactly did you help?

2.Bin Laden didn't kill anyone, other people did. Or should we hang Bush now for killing almost half a million Iraqi's? I could almost laugh at 9/11, especially compared to what you did to the Iraqi people and the people of Afghanistan. The biggest terrorist inolved in that crappy war on terror is the US itself along with its partners.

Also, i'm not from the US, so no, don't compare me with one of those hippies in your country.

3. Nah, you don't act like a dictatorship... You invade a country, occupy it. Then you refuse to convict those that commit warcrimes, you start implementing your own rules that the occupied country has to follow... Nah, not a dictatorship at all...
Again, you're not trying to help at all, the only thing the US does is implementing their rule over those countries, wich is imperialism. wether you like it or not, its happening. And no, the world doesn't want you to help, by claiming that you already show your childish attitude to the world. The only one in Iraq that whines aobut US help is that fool of a president. The people there don't want it, and the people are the ones that count in a country. And no, i would never, ever bitch about the US staying out of other people's buisness. You're typicall biased pro-US, a person without reasoning who typically starts to fingerpoint to other countries.

A good job? A job that the Arabs could handle themselves, a job that led to 9/11. Really good yeah...
Tell me, if the US wants to "help" so badly, then where was it when the protests in Bahrain, Qatar and Saudi-Arabia started? Where is it in Yemen or Somalia? When is it going to save the people anywhere? Oh that's right, the last thing the US cares about are the people they are "helping"

[Rastynhaven]

http://iraq.usembassy.gov/mobile//american-iraqi.html
Unless you're going to use some crackpot conspiracy about "American puppets", this is a pretty viable source.


Bush won an election. The second one, that is.


Here we go, with all the "America is teh ebul imperialists"

Take a good long hard look at China and Russia.

I'm not a China or Russia supporter China kills thousands of Muslims in Uyghurstan and Russia the same in Chechnya and Dagestan.

And the killing of Yazidis is okay? Because that is what ISIS is doing.

Edit: Not to mention the enslaving and rape of Yazidi and Christian women right now.

[Vamtrl]

These are lies and misinturpiations by the Munafiqin(Hypocrites of Islam)

Allah is Acquainted with what you do.

[-Arabiyah-]

These are lies and misinturpiations by the Munafiqin(Hypocrites of Islam)

Allah is Acquainted with what you do.

Allah is my judge the 2 angles whom count my deeds will show Allah. And I I can tell he approves every prayer I have prayed and every dua has been met to my expectations I have had several dreams of Mekkah and Jerusalem I've even had a dream of fighting jihad and diing in his way being Shahid is what it's called. So I must be doing something right and I will not let nonbelievers and misturpitaions lead me away.

[Gairvuu]

Allah is Acquainted with what you do.

Allah is my judge the 2 angles whom count my deeds will show Allah. And I I can tell he approves every prayer I have prayed and every dua has been met to my expectations I have had several dreams of Mekkah and Jerusalem I've even had a dream of fighting jihad and diing in his way being Shahid is what it's called. So I must be doing something right and I will not let nonbelievers and misturpitaions lead me away.

Wait you levelled up your wow character in the eye of The Lord? Show off.

[Blakk Metal]

I'm not a China or Russia supporter China kills thousands of Muslims in Uyghurstan and Russia the same in Chechnya and Dagestan.

And the killing of Yazidis is okay? Because that is what ISIS is doing.

Edit: Not to mention the enslaving and rape of Yazidi and Christian women right now.

Bvt theyr relygyon ys stvpyd, and a dysgrayse to trve kvlt Satanysts!

[Upper America]

1.You thought, yes, based on nothing really. Iraq was "fine" before the US came. Hell, thanks to the US Al-Qaeda managed to get a foothold in Iraq.
Afghanistan was the same for more then 10 years, tell me, what was the urge to invade it? 9/11? Well, i hope you are glad that the US went there to "help". 9/11 was nothing compared to those US led invasions, killing god knows how many innocents. And what did you achieved? More terrorism, stronger terrorism and a destroyed Middle-East. Now again, how exactly did you help?

The Middle East has been in unrest for years, longer than the US has been in there.

2.Bin Laden didn't kill anyone, other people did. Or should we hang Bush now for killing almost half a million Iraqi's? I could almost laugh at 9/11, especially compared to what you did to the Iraqi people and the people of Afghanistan. The biggest terrorist inolved in that crappy war on terror is the US itself along with its partners.

How old are you? You couldn't have lived through 9/11. Bin Laden didn't directly kill anyone, but he ordered the deaths of 3,000 innocent people. As for civilians killed in wars, the US is far from the only country who kills innocents in war. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict has killed people on both sides for years. Great Britain's imperial romps during it's empire killed thousands. Same with Spain. Both China and Russia are killing civilians in the areas they are fighting in. The Ukranian rebels killed over 100 people when they shot down a plane. Thing is, civilian death is a side effect of war, the United States is far from the only one who's killed civilians.

Also, i'm not from the US, so no, don't compare me with one of those hippies in your country.

I'm not just talking about other Americans. The entire world pitches a fit when we intervene, despite the fact that we are the only superpower left, and we're expected to intervene.

3. Nah, you don't act like a dictatorship... You invade a country, occupy it. Then you refuse to convict those that commit warcrimes, you start implementing your own rules that the occupied country has to follow... Nah, not a dictatorship at all...

Again, multiple countries do this. Let's take the invasion of Iraq in 2003. Great Britain, Italy, France, Canada, and various other countries invaded. Same with Afghanistan. They probably killed innocents, too.

Again, you're not trying to help at all, the only thing the US does is implementing their rule over those countries, wich is imperialism. wether you like it or not, its happening. And no, the world doesn't want you to help, by claiming that you already show your childish attitude to the world. The only one in Iraq that whines aobut US help is that fool of a president. The people there don't want it, and the people are the ones that count in a country. And no, i would never, ever bitch about the US staying out of other people's buisness. You're typicall biased pro-US, a person without reasoning who typically starts to fingerpoint to other countries.

If the world hates America, why the hell did they help us invade Iraq and Afghanistan? Hmmm? Why do we have allies? Explain that.

You're a typical biased anti-US person. You are narrow-minded, forgetting about all the good that we do. Aiding Kuwait when it was invaded, helping Japan and Haiti out after their earthquakes, trying to find peace between Israel and Palestine. Yes, we do some shitty things, but three or four flawed military operations do not outnumber all the times we've helped countries facing genocide, invasion, or disaster.

A good job? A job that the Arabs could handle themselves, a job that led to 9/11. Really good yeah...

Learn your history. We invaded Iraq and Afghanistan after 9/11. I won't debate with you if you can't even grasp simple things.

Tell me, if the US wants to "help" so badly, then where was it when the protests in Bahrain, Qatar and Saudi-Arabia started? Where is it in Yemen or Somalia? When is it going to save the people anywhere? Oh that's right, the last thing the US cares about are the people they are "helping"

Well, now that people like you bitch and whine, we're less eager to help, because we know you'll call us imperial dictators. If anyone is to blame, it's people like you. Whining about America being imperial when we try to help and fuck up a few times.

You wanna see real imperialism? Do you? Look at China. Or Russia. Or Great Britain. That is imperialism. Sure, we did some imperial things, but I can guarantee you most Americans are ashamed we did things like invade Vietnam or Iraq. Don't run to America all the time when you wanna bitch about imperialism, because there's been a lot worse. One asshole of a president doesn't make America an imperial dictatorship.

[Upper America]

Allah is Acquainted with what you do.

Allah is my judge the 2 angles whom count my deeds will show Allah. And I I can tell he approves every prayer I have prayed and every dua has been met to my expectations I have had several dreams of Mekkah and Jerusalem I've even had a dream of fighting jihad and diing in his way being Shahid is what it's called. So I must be doing something right and I will not let nonbelievers and misturpitaions lead me away.

You dreamed of killing innocent people? Shit just got real. Killing isn't right, I don't care what you think.

[Cyrisnia]

Allah is my judge the 2 angles whom count my deeds will show Allah. And I I can tell he approves every prayer I have prayed and every dua has been met to my expectations I have had several dreams of Mekkah and Jerusalem I've even had a dream of fighting jihad and diing in his way being Shahid is what it's called. So I must be doing something right and I will not let nonbelievers and misturpitaions lead me away.

You dreamed of killing innocent people? Shit just got real. Killing isn't right, I don't care what you think.

14 and already dreaming of killing people?
Dude, Jihad don't matter at this point.
Get a therapist.
Like, really.

[Upper America]

You dreamed of killing innocent people? Shit just got real. Killing isn't right, I don't care what you think.

14 and already dreaming of killing people?
Dude, Jihad don't matter at this point.
Get a therapist.
Like, really.

Can't tell if this is sarcasm or not.

I presume "fighting" means actual fighting. Hopefully he means "fighting" as just supporting. But if not, I'm a little freaked out. He lives in my state. And if he's really 14, maybe it's just a phase. I really hope it's just a phase.

[Cyrisnia]

14 and already dreaming of killing people?
Dude, Jihad don't matter at this point.
Get a therapist.
Like, really.

Can't tell if this is sarcasm or not.

I presume "fighting" means actual fighting. Hopefully he means "fighting" as just supporting. But if not, I'm a little freaked out. He lives in my state. And if he's really 14, maybe it's just a phase. I really hope it's just a phase.

Its not sarcasm. He's stated it earlier.
I hope its a phase, too.

[Upper America]

Can't tell if this is sarcasm or not.

I presume "fighting" means actual fighting. Hopefully he means "fighting" as just supporting. But if not, I'm a little freaked out. He lives in my state. And if he's really 14, maybe it's just a phase. I really hope it's just a phase.

Its not sarcasm. He's stated it earlier.
I hope its a phase, too.

I doubt at this young age he'll do something. Earlier he said that his jihad was just becoming a Muslim preacher (forgot what he called it). The fighting part scares me, though. If he is going to actually fight, I hope it'll be in an overseas war, and not against American civilians.

[United Marxist Nations]

Yup and I was one who posted the video with heads on pikes.

I saw that video this morning.

Ugh...that was gruesome.

I hope the 17th Division took as many of their attackers with them as they could, that's for sure.

[Blakk Metal]

Its not sarcasm. He's stated it earlier.
I hope its a phase, too.

I doubt at this young age he'll do something. Earlier he said that his jihad was just becoming a Muslim preacher (forgot what he called it). The fighting part scares me, though. If he is going to actually fight, I hope it'll be in an overseas war, and not against American civilians.

He isn't going to fight against American soldiers, he's going to be fighting the Republics Serb.

[Upper America]

I doubt at this young age he'll do something. Earlier he said that his jihad was just becoming a Muslim preacher (forgot what he called it). The fighting part scares me, though. If he is going to actually fight, I hope it'll be in an overseas war, and not against American civilians.

He isn't going to fight against American soldiers, he's going to be fighting the Republics Serb.

Who are they?

[Blakk Metal]

He isn't going to fight against American soldiers, he's going to be fighting the Republics Serb.

Who are they?

There are two countries that are translated to 'Republic of Serbia'. They are called 'Republika Srpska' and 'Republika Srbija' in Yugoslavian.

[Upper America]

Who are they?

There are two countries that are translated to 'Republic of Serbia'. They are called 'Republika Srpska' and 'Republika Srbija' in Yugoslavian.

Why would he fight them?

[Blakk Metal]

There are two countries that are translated to 'Republic of Serbia'. They are called 'Republika Srpska' and 'Republika Srbija' in Yugoslavian.

Why would he fight them?

Crazy Abe wants their clay.

[Upper America]

Why would he fight them?

Crazy Abe wants their clay.

Actually, that map... Was made by white supremacists. They're not real. Chances are, ISIS doesn't want to go into Europe. A lot of Muslims are immigrating to Europe, and they're probably putting Spain and the Balkans down as occupied to raise hatred towards Muslims.

Chances are, they don't want Europe. They'll probably limit themselves to the Middle East and Africa, unless they actually take over those places. Which they'll never do.

[The Klishi Islands]

The US has stepped up the air strikes against ISIS. Not sure if this has been posted already.

WASHINGTON — U.S. warplanes made a second wave of airstrikes Friday in northern Iraq against the militants who have besieged a religious group and threatened the city of Irbil, a Pentagon official said.

Rear Adm. John Kirby, spokesman for Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel, said the second wave of strikes used a drone to attack a mortar position while four FA-18 fighter-attack planes hit a seven-vehicle convoy outside Irbil.

In a statement, Kirby said "shortly after 10 a.m. EDT, remotely piloted aircraft struck a terrorist mortar position." When the military returned to the site, they were attacked again "and successfully eliminated."

At 11:20 a.m. EDT, the second wave struck the convoy and the mortar position, Kirby said. "The aircraft executed two planned passes. On both runs, each aircraft dropped one laser-guided bomb, making a total of eight bombs dropped on target, neutralizing the mortar and convoy."

The drones involved in the strike were Predators, armed with Hellfire missiles, according to a Pentagon official who spoke about the operation on condition of anonymity because officials were not authorized to speak publicly on those details.

Assessment of the effects of the bombs was clear cut, the official said, because pilots can see the specific targets and the effect of 500-pound bombs and Hellfire missiles is "immediate."

The aircraft from the first strikes came from the USS George H.W. Bush, an aircraft carrier operating in the Persian Gulf, according to a second Defense official who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive military details.

President Obama said Thursday night that airstrikes would be used if the militants threatened Irbil, home to a U.S. consulate and a joint U.S.-Iraqi operations center

Full story here: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... /13767377/

[Blakk Metal]

Crazy Abe wants their clay.

Actually, that map... Was made by white supremacists. They're not real. Chances are, ISIS doesn't want to go into Europe. A lot of Muslims are immigrating to Europe, and they're probably putting Spain and the Balkans down as occupied to raise hatred towards Muslims.

Chances are, they don't want Europe. They'll probably limit themselves to the Middle East and Africa, unless they actually take over those places. Which they'll never do.

They still want to reunify Islam, and the Serbs are between them and Bosnia, which is Muslim.

[Murkwood]

You guys hear? ISIS/ISIL/IS/SIC/The Terror Group Formerly Known as ISIS took the Mosul Dam. Some think they might destroy it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/chec ... mosul-dam/

I doubt they will, however. ISIS/ISIL/IS/SIC/The Terror Group Formerly Known as ISIS is also interested in state-building, and no benefit could come from destroying it in the long-term. Thoughts?

[Lexicor]

You guys hear? ISIS/ISIL/IS/SIC/The Terror Group Formally Known as ISIS took the Mosul Dam. Some think they might destroy it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/chec ... mosul-dam/

I doubt they will, however. ISIS/ISIL/IS/SIC/The Terror Group Formally Known as ISIS is also interested in state-building, and no benefit could come from destroying it in the long-term. Thoughts?

Does the Qu'ran have anything to say on the topic of destroying dams?

[Germanic Templars]

Why would he fight them?

Crazy Abe wants their clay.

Evil kebabs want clay!