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Migas999
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Postby Migas999 » Tue May 26, 2015 1:31 pm

Dain II Ironfoot wrote:
Migas999 wrote:Maybe Washington Resistance Army does
Do you Washington?


I'm not sure i'm following you here :eyebrow:

He said he knew about NK more than most nations in NS so I´m asking him if he knows what kind of training the north korean military goes through
Sorry if I was unclear

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Dain II Ironfoot
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Postby Dain II Ironfoot » Tue May 26, 2015 1:44 pm

Migas999 wrote:
Dain II Ironfoot wrote:
I'm not sure i'm following you here :eyebrow:

He said he knew about NK more than most nations in NS so I´m asking him if he knows what kind of training the north korean military goes through
Sorry if I was unclear


Oww, didn't realized you where talking to him, figured i was part of some kind of bad joke or something :P
Probably best if i start reading the names of the nations posting here ;)


But anyhow, yeah, it would be wonderfull to know a bit more about the actual training soldiers and special forces have to go through in North-Korea.
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Postby Migas999 » Tue May 26, 2015 1:45 pm

Dain II Ironfoot wrote:
Migas999 wrote:He said he knew about NK more than most nations in NS so I´m asking him if he knows what kind of training the north korean military goes through
Sorry if I was unclear


Oww, didn't realized that :P
Yeah, it would be wonderfull to know a bit more about the actual training soldiers and special forces have to go through in North-Korea.

Would shed some light on some questions, namely can North Korean SF fight in the Syrian desert?I think not or rather it would take them forever to adapt
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Postby Dain II Ironfoot » Tue May 26, 2015 1:50 pm

Migas999 wrote:
Dain II Ironfoot wrote:
Oww, didn't realized that :P
Yeah, it would be wonderfull to know a bit more about the actual training soldiers and special forces have to go through in North-Korea.

Would shed some light on some questions, namely can North Korean SF fight in the Syrian desert?


Indeed.
Now i'm not sure wether or not North-Korean Special Forces ever train in other countries, but in North-Korea itself they won't get further then sand dunes at the beach i'm afraid...
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Postby Migas999 » Tue May 26, 2015 1:53 pm

Dain II Ironfoot wrote:
Migas999 wrote:Would shed some light on some questions, namely can North Korean SF fight in the Syrian desert?


Indeed.
Now i'm not sure wether or not North-Korean Special Forces ever train in other countries, but in North-Korea itself they won't get further then sand dunes at the beach i'm afraid...

Only other place I see them training is maybe China or Russia?

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Postby Dain II Ironfoot » Tue May 26, 2015 1:56 pm

Migas999 wrote:
Dain II Ironfoot wrote:
Indeed.
Now i'm not sure wether or not North-Korean Special Forces ever train in other countries, but in North-Korea itself they won't get further then sand dunes at the beach i'm afraid...

Only other place I see them training is maybe China or Russia?


I have no idea, both of those do have deserts though.
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Postby Migas999 » Tue May 26, 2015 1:56 pm

Dain II Ironfoot wrote:
Migas999 wrote:Only other place I see them training is maybe China or Russia?


I have no idea, both of those do have deserts though.

Now we play the waiting game
For an answer

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Postby Dain II Ironfoot » Tue May 26, 2015 1:57 pm

Migas999 wrote:
Dain II Ironfoot wrote:
I have no idea, both of those do have deserts though.

Now we play the waiting game
For an answer


Pretty much yeah :P
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Postby Migas999 » Tue May 26, 2015 2:01 pm

Don´t know if this has been posted yet but the Iraqis are trying to retake Anbar
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isis-t ... is-n364476
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/m ... sis-ramadi
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Postby Salus Maior » Tue May 26, 2015 5:41 pm

Migas999 wrote:
Dain II Ironfoot wrote:
Indeed.
Now i'm not sure wether or not North-Korean Special Forces ever train in other countries, but in North-Korea itself they won't get further then sand dunes at the beach i'm afraid...

Only other place I see them training is maybe China or Russia?


Both countries hate them as far as I'm aware.
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Postby Gauthier » Tue May 26, 2015 5:51 pm

Ganos Lao wrote:
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There was a full blown democracy in the Middle East a while back, but a bunch of Western nations wanted its oil so badly they deposed the democratically elected President and installed a pet monarch who in turn oppressed the populace and pissed them off so much they went along with the theocratic nutjobs that overthrew him.

But some people apparently are stuck on the mindset of "Hurr Durr, Darkies Biologically Incapable of Democracy, Durka Durka Mohammed Jihad!"


And the Iranians on Youtube would say you're stuck in the mindset of "Hurr Durr, you say the Shah was bad when you just bought all that propaganda about him, he was actually a good man who cared for his people!"

There are some Iranians on Youtube who propose restoring the monarchy as a greater scheme to "de-Arabizing" Iran, believing the mullahs represent a centuries old problem.

Then you have the anti-Semites who latch onto some interview or what have you the last Shah made and go from there.


Oh that's right, YouTube Iranians represent the vast majority of Persians.

And of course the whole idea of restoring the monarchy plays comfortably into presumptions that Brown People Can't Democracy They Hate Freedom.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue May 26, 2015 5:52 pm

Migas999 wrote:
Dain II Ironfoot wrote:
That could be true yeah, i dunno what the training of such forces in North-Korea is but yeah, its likely that they would have to adept to a whole new kind of situation.

Maybe Washington Resistance Army does
Do you Washington?


It varies from unit to unit, you have your reservists in the WPRG who know how to load artillery and fire guns but not much else. Likewise you also have people in units like the Supreme Guards who get a solid two and a half years of training in just about everything you can imagine. As for the specifics of how they're trained? No idea, I only know that SF units like the Supreme Guards get 2 or 2 and a half years of training in general spec ops stuff.

Salus Maior wrote:
Migas999 wrote:Only other place I see them training is maybe China or Russia?


Both countries hate them as far as I'm aware.


Russia and Best Korea have been getting close again, it's pretty standard for them to seesaw between China and Russia.
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Postby Ganos Lao » Tue May 26, 2015 5:54 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Ganos Lao wrote:
And the Iranians on Youtube would say you're stuck in the mindset of "Hurr Durr, you say the Shah was bad when you just bought all that propaganda about him, he was actually a good man who cared for his people!"

There are some Iranians on Youtube who propose restoring the monarchy as a greater scheme to "de-Arabizing" Iran, believing the mullahs represent a centuries old problem.

Then you have the anti-Semites who latch onto some interview or what have you the last Shah made and go from there.


Oh that's right, YouTube Iranians represent the vast majority of Persians.

And of course the whole idea of restoring the monarchy plays comfortably into presumptions that Brown People Can't Democracy They Hate Freedom.


You really thought I was saying a handful of anti-Islamic Aryanists = the vast majority of Persians? I was just making an observation, nothing more or less. I even said some Persians.
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Tue May 26, 2015 7:14 pm

Utrinque Paratus wrote:So what does everyone think NK will do about their citizens? Start a war with ISIS? :eyebrow:

They might do that simply to make themselves look tough to the International Community, I mean they did anti-piracy stuff in Somalia.
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Postby Dain II Ironfoot » Wed May 27, 2015 12:29 am

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Tradition must be respected, for it is the voice of our ancestors.
There's nothing as sure in the world as the glitter of gold, and the treachery of Elves.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Wed May 27, 2015 12:44 am

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Postby Gauthier » Wed May 27, 2015 1:26 am



Technically the U.S. put al'Maliki in charge of Iraq, and we know how things went from there.
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Postby Dokrib Choseon » Wed May 27, 2015 3:11 am

For reference, since it's come, the DPRK already provides military support (logistics, supplies, and training) to Syria, one of the parties fighting IS. As well, unfortunately, two North Korean civilians have been captured by IS - fate unknown as of present.

So while they aren't a major party to this, as they are geographically isolated and certainly have other priorities, in a limited sense, the DPRK is providing support in the fight against IS.

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Postby Migas999 » Wed May 27, 2015 3:23 am

Dokrib Choseon wrote:For reference, since it's come, the DPRK already provides military support (logistics, supplies, and training) to Syria, one of the parties fighting IS. As well, unfortunately, two North Korean civilians have been captured by IS - fate unknown as of present.

So while they aren't a major party to this, as they are geographically isolated and certainly have other priorities, in a limited sense, the DPRK is providing support in the fight against IS.

~funfactoftheday~

We already knew that NK provided aid to Syria

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Postby Migas999 » Wed May 27, 2015 3:23 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Migas999 wrote:Maybe Washington Resistance Army does
Do you Washington?


It varies from unit to unit, you have your reservists in the WPRG who know how to load artillery and fire guns but not much else. Likewise you also have people in units like the Supreme Guards who get a solid two and a half years of training in just about everything you can imagine. As for the specifics of how they're trained? No idea, I only know that SF units like the Supreme Guards get 2 or 2 and a half years of training in general spec ops stuff.

Salus Maior wrote:
Both countries hate them as far as I'm aware.


Russia and Best Korea have been getting close again, it's pretty standard for them to seesaw between China and Russia.


So North Korean SF could fight in the desert then?

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Postby Seraven » Wed May 27, 2015 5:04 am

Dokrib Choseon wrote:For reference, since it's come, the DPRK already provides military support (logistics, supplies, and training) to Syria, one of the parties fighting IS. As well, unfortunately, two North Korean civilians have been captured by IS - fate unknown as of present.

So while they aren't a major party to this, as they are geographically isolated and certainly have other priorities, in a limited sense, the DPRK is providing support in the fight against IS.

~funfactoftheday~


DPRK still prefers their allies over their own people.
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Seraven wrote:I know right! Whites enslaved the natives, they killed them, they converted them forcibly, they acted like a better human beings than the Muslims.

An excellent example of why allowing unrestricted immigration of people with a very different culture might not be the best idea ever :P

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Postby Trealized » Wed May 27, 2015 5:19 am

Dokrib Choseon wrote:For reference, since it's come, the DPRK already provides military support (logistics, supplies, and training) to Syria, one of the parties fighting IS. As well, unfortunately, two North Korean civilians have been captured by IS - fate unknown as of present.

So while they aren't a major party to this, as they are geographically isolated and certainly have other priorities, in a limited sense, the DPRK is providing support in the fight against IS.

~funfactoftheday~

Yup this is true I recall hearing something about a missile test going wrong and killing a few Syrians and north Koreans. Liquid fueled upgraded scud missiles I think it was. of course there's a reason most weapons manufactures use solid or gel fuel in thier munitions yawn I guess those guys learned the hard way. 8)
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Postby Dain II Ironfoot » Wed May 27, 2015 5:27 am



Truth is, the US is a big player in the game of IS becoming a real thing, they're far from innocent. Aside from that though, they indeed are not the only ones to blame nor do they deserve the full blame for it.
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Postby Utrinque Paratus » Wed May 27, 2015 6:37 am

Time to deploy soldiers on the ground. Airstrikes aren't working, rebels aren't fucking working and civilians are dying everyday at the hands of ISIS.
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