Islamic State Crisis Megathread (ISIS/ISIL/IS)

[Gauthier]

Oh, this bullshit again.

Why do people keep using this argument that Assad made Syria stable? Is it just the faulty assumption that authoritarian=safe?

What you're basically saying is "He kept Syria stable if you don't count the bloody civil war, the massive refugee crisis, and ISIS taking over half the country." So in other words, he didn't keep it stable at all.

Why do you assuming that Assad didn't made Syria stable?

Ordering demonstrators shot promotes stability now? That would explain Kent State.

[Gauthier]

It "doesn't work" because no one really tries it.

You can't say it doesn't work when most people in the Middle East have only two options - radical Islamism or indifferent authoritarianism - and choose one or the other.

Western ideals are usually connected to supposed Judeo-American plots, so things like secularism tend to be undesirable.

Or an Islamic Democracy.

There was a full blown democracy in the Middle East a while back, but a bunch of Western nations wanted its oil so badly they deposed the democratically elected President and installed a pet monarch who in turn oppressed the populace and pissed them off so much they went along with the theocratic nutjobs that overthrew him.

But some people apparently are stuck on the mindset of "Hurr Durr, Darkies Biologically Incapable of Democracy, Durka Durka Mohammed Jihad!"

[Salus Maior]

A French journalist pretended to be interested in joining IS and was asked to be the wife of a French fighter in Syria:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/m ... =edit_2221

Interesting article, thanks for sharing.

[Dain II Ironfoot]

North Korean couple living in Libya have been abducted by ISIS.

I must say, ISIS does have balls...

Why do you assuming that Assad didn't made Syria stable?

Ordering demonstrators shot promotes stability now? That would explain Kent State.

Ordering to return fire if shot upon is natural. There's no evidence all those protests where peacefull and there are still the eyewitnesses that reported armed men amongst these protests.

[Utrinque Paratus]

So what does everyone think NK will do about their citizens? Start a war with ISIS?

[Salus Maior]

A (Sunni) Islamic Republic is what's needed in Syria. Of course, I'd prefer a secular regime, but we've seen that Secularism does not work in the Middle East and Syria is no exception.

It "doesn't work" because no one really tries it.

You can't say it doesn't work when most people in the Middle East have only two options - radical Islamism or indifferent authoritarianism - and choose one or the other.

Western ideals are usually connected to supposed Judeo-American plots, so things like secularism tend to be undesirable.

It doesn't work because when they get the chance to elect someone they typically go for Islamic parties.

[Salus Maior]

North Korean couple living in Libya have been abducted by ISIS.

I must say, ISIS does have balls...

Not more than they already do executing Jordanian, French, and American citizens.

[Utrinque Paratus]

I must say, ISIS does have balls...

Not more than they already do executing Jordanian, French, and American citizens.

British as well...

[World Monarchy of Texas]

Let isreal loose on isis and kill all those retards that stap a bomb to themselves long live texas

[Salus Maior]

Not more than they already do executing Jordanian, French, and American citizens.

British as well...

Don't think I forgot.

[Dain II Ironfoot]

So what does everyone think NK will do about their citizens? Start a war with ISIS?

I honestly doubt they're going to do anything, they simply don't have the capability of an operation so far from their own country.

I must say, ISIS does have balls...

Not more than they already do executing Jordanian, French, and American citizens.

In all honestly, messing with North-Korea can turn out far more dangerous then messing around with Jordan, France or the US.

[Dain II Ironfoot]

Let isreal loose on isis and kill all those retards that stap a bomb to themselves long live texas

Israel would have a huge problem if it would actually start udertaking full scale action against IS.

[Salus Maior]

In all honestly, messing with North-Korea can turn out far more dangerous then messing around with Jordan, France or the US.

Oh yes, considering North Korea's overseas military capability. Or maybe they'll fire their incredibly advanced and totally reliable stockpile of nuclear missiles?

Yeah, if anyone can defeat ISIS, it's North Korea

What's going to happen is that Kim is going to shout some baseless threats at ISIS and then proceed to do nothing.

[Commonwealth of Hank the Cat]

So what does everyone think NK will do about their citizens? Start a war with ISIS?

Glorious Leader will spread true democracy to ISIS!...if they can get their army to not starve..

[Washington Resistance Army]

In all honestly, messing with North-Korea can turn out far more dangerous then messing around with Jordan, France or the US.

Oh yes, considering North Korea's overseas military capability. Or maybe they'll fire their incredibly advanced and totally reliable stockpile of nuclear missiles?

Yeah, if anyone can defeat ISIS, it's North Korea

What's going to happen is that Kim is going to shout some baseless threats at ISIS and then proceed to do nothing.

They've already been sending plenty of things to Syria, I could realistically see some KPA SF units show up to fight Daesh.

[Utrinque Paratus]

Let isreal loose on isis and kill all those retards that stap a bomb to themselves long live texas

You're kidding right? Israel have about as much chance as defeating ISIS than I do becoming the next pope.

[Salus Maior]

Oh yes, considering North Korea's overseas military capability. Or maybe they'll fire their incredibly advanced and totally reliable stockpile of nuclear missiles?

Yeah, if anyone can defeat ISIS, it's North Korea

What's going to happen is that Kim is going to shout some baseless threats at ISIS and then proceed to do nothing.

They've already been sending plenty of things to Syria, I could realistically see some KPA SF units show up to fight Daesh.

Supplies are not quite the same thing as sending armed forces across the world.

[Ganos Lao]

Or an Islamic Democracy.

There was a full blown democracy in the Middle East a while back, but a bunch of Western nations wanted its oil so badly they deposed the democratically elected President and installed a pet monarch who in turn oppressed the populace and pissed them off so much they went along with the theocratic nutjobs that overthrew him.

But some people apparently are stuck on the mindset of "Hurr Durr, Darkies Biologically Incapable of Democracy, Durka Durka Mohammed Jihad!"

And the Iranians on Youtube would say you're stuck in the mindset of "Hurr Durr, you say the Shah was bad when you just bought all that propaganda about him, he was actually a good man who cared for his people!"

There are some Iranians on Youtube who propose restoring the monarchy as a greater scheme to "de-Arabizing" Iran, believing the mullahs represent a centuries old problem.

Then you have the anti-Semites who latch onto some interview or what have you the last Shah made and go from there.

[Ganos Lao]

It "doesn't work" because no one really tries it.

You can't say it doesn't work when most people in the Middle East have only two options - radical Islamism or indifferent authoritarianism - and choose one or the other.

Western ideals are usually connected to supposed Judeo-American plots, so things like secularism tend to be undesirable.

It doesn't work because when they get the chance to elect someone they typically go for Islamic parties.

Exactly.

They essentially hand over their newfound privileges, their newfound rights, to the Islamists, then wonder why things are still pretty crummy.

It also doesn't help that the guys who are in power during the elections are pretty crummy themselves. al-Maliki for example.

The Middle East isn't like the West. It's got an us vs them mentality that goes down to pretty much every aspect of life there. I mean, remember when they stoned that girl to death? She mixed with the wrong crowd. Us vs them. That's not good in a country trying to be a democracy.

[Ganos Lao]

Let isreal loose on isis and kill all those retards that stap a bomb to themselves long live texas

You're kidding right? Israel have about as much chance as defeating ISIS than I do becoming the next pope.

How do you reckon that?

They'd probably take them on head on as opposed to relying on airstrikes. I'd see them giving ISIS their first real challenge. It'd also be interesting to see them deal with Hamas taking the time to aim rockets away from them too ("At least until we are done dealing with Daesh, you Zionist pigs!")

[Ganos Lao]

In all honestly, messing with North-Korea can turn out far more dangerous then messing around with Jordan, France or the US.

Oh yes, considering North Korea's overseas military capability. Or maybe they'll fire their incredibly advanced and totally reliable stockpile of nuclear missiles?

Yeah, if anyone can defeat ISIS, it's North Korea

What's going to happen is that Kim is going to shout some baseless threats at ISIS and then proceed to do nothing.

Maybe he'll show them how kidnapping citizens is done?

I mean, the DPRK's kidnapped plenty of people. The Japanese are still waiting for them to release their people.

[Ganos Lao]

Let isreal loose on isis and kill all those retards that stap a bomb to themselves long live texas

Israel would have a huge problem if it would actually start udertaking full scale action against IS.

I think Israel's probably waiting till they start showing up around the Golan Heights or somewhere close before they get involved.

[Dain II Ironfoot]

In all honestly, messing with North-Korea can turn out far more dangerous then messing around with Jordan, France or the US.

Oh yes, considering North Korea's overseas military capability. Or maybe they'll fire their incredibly advanced and totally reliable stockpile of nuclear missiles?

Yeah, if anyone can defeat ISIS, it's North Korea

What's going to happen is that Kim is going to shout some baseless threats at ISIS and then proceed to do nothing.

Already noted that they don't have the capability of doing some large scale stuff, doesn't make them less dangerous though.
Action from the US, France ect. can be predicted months before they actually make the decision, in North-Korea one can't.

Israel would have a huge problem if it would actually start udertaking full scale action against IS.

I think Israel's probably waiting till they start showing up around the Golan Heights or somewhere close before they get involved.

True, still though i doubt Israel would do alot, IS could become a true pain in the ass for Israel if they don't watch themselves. Not only from the outside but from the inside aswell. The only real luck Israel has is that it wouldn't have to worry about Hamas or Hezbollah as both of those hate IS aswell.

[The Alma Mater]

Oh yes, considering North Korea's overseas military capability. Or maybe they'll fire their incredibly advanced and totally reliable stockpile of nuclear missiles?

Yeah, if anyone can defeat ISIS, it's North Korea

What's going to happen is that Kim is going to shout some baseless threats at ISIS and then proceed to do nothing.

Already noted that they don't have the capability of doing some large scale stuff, doesn't make them less dangerous though.
Action from the US, France ect. can be predicted months before they actually make the decision, in North-Korea one can't.

What exactly could North Korea do ? Send a unicorn ?

[Migas999]

Already noted that they don't have the capability of doing some large scale stuff, doesn't make them less dangerous though.
Action from the US, France ect. can be predicted months before they actually make the decision, in North-Korea one can't.

What exactly could North Korea do ? Send a unicorn ?

Send it´s glorious leader