Islamic State Crisis Megathread (ISIS/ISIL/IS)

[Migas999]

I still think the best solution for long term stability is dividing Iraq and fixing Syria(changing the regime)

I agree, but unfortunately doing that as it would be controversial is unlikely. Forward thinking, strong willed, knowledgable politicians willing to actually solve problems are in short supply. Most of our current leaders, lack the will and understanding to actually solve problems. Take for example Obama, he is clearly to weak to push any real solution, his plan is simply drop some bombs and let the next president deal with it.

Take for example the water shortages is many places including the Middle East. There is an easy solution, desalination. But despite the solution being obvious and achievable many have sat around and done nothing.

Obama doesn´t want to send troops or do more because the public is sort of "traumatized" by the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, nobody wants to see more bodybags reaching America

[Novus America]

I agree, but unfortunately doing that as it would be controversial is unlikely. Forward thinking, strong willed, knowledgable politicians willing to actually solve problems are in short supply. Most of our current leaders, lack the will and understanding to actually solve problems. Take for example Obama, he is clearly to weak to push any real solution, his plan is simply drop some bombs and let the next president deal with it.

Take for example the water shortages is many places including the Middle East. There is an easy solution, desalination. But despite the solution being obvious and achievable many have sat around and done nothing.

Obama doesn´t want to send troops or do more because the public is sort of "traumatized" by the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, nobody wants to see more bodybags reaching America

True, but all that is a sign of weakness. Progress is only achieved through hard work and sacrifice. Refusing to do the hard thing never fixed anything.

Hence this will likely continue for another century.

[Migas999]

Obama doesn´t want to send troops or do more because the public is sort of "traumatized" by the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, nobody wants to see more bodybags reaching America

True, but all that is a sign of weakness. Progress is only achieved through hard work and sacrifice. Refusing to do the hard thing never fixed anything.

I know, I know, not saying he´s strong

[New Skaaneland]

I don't think the end of days is going to happen if that happens.

Daesh is more like some noob at a hot game (MtG, Wow, LoL, what have you) who's having incredible luck against underaged kids or apathetic hipsters who have yet to run into the hardcore pros.

I don't really think it's reasonable to make such a likeness, but I suppose there are things to do in games aswell which some would think twice about despite that it's good for your team. Spawnkilling and camping would apply in many cases. I suppose there are also situations where teamkilling is necessary against people misbehaving or acting really stupid.
Specifically in Battlefield there would be many more examples, cause there are so many different tricks you can pull on the enemies and someone will always think of one thing or another as unfair. At one server you could be an idiot for not parachuting into enemy bases to steal jets and helicopters, while on another one you might be banned for life if doing it. Even when there are official rules they could be unevenly applied etc.
Then of course there are cheaters, which to me is something completely different and a whole lot worse than any of what mentioned before. In real life there are no felonies one could commit which could be an equivilent to that.

[Migas999]

Daesh is more like some noob at a hot game (MtG, Wow, LoL, what have you) who's having incredible luck against underaged kids or apathetic hipsters who have yet to run into the hardcore pros.

I don't really think it's reasonable to make such a likeness, but I suppose there are things to do in games aswell which some would think twice about despite that it's good for your team. Spawnkilling and camping would apply in many cases. I suppose there are also situations where teamkilling is necessary against people misbehaving or acting really stupid.
Specifically in Battlefield there would be many more examples, cause there are so many different tricks you can pull on the enemies and someone will always think of one thing or another as unfair. At one server you could be an idiot for not parachuting into enemy bases to steal jets and helicopters, while on another one you might be banned for life if doing it. Even when there are official rules they could be unevenly applied etc.
Then of course there are cheaters, which to me is something completely different and a whole lot worse than any of what mentioned before. In real life there are no felonies one could commit which could be an equivilent to that.

Hell you mentioned tricks and parachuting in to steal helicpters and jets, In real life you aren´t worried about being called a noob, you´re worried about surviving so any tricks you use to kill or stay alive are welcome in real life, all everyone wants to do is survive

[New Jordslag]

I agree, but unfortunately doing that as it would be controversial is unlikely. Forward thinking, strong willed, knowledgable politicians willing to actually solve problems are in short supply. Most of our current leaders, lack the will and understanding to actually solve problems. Take for example Obama, he is clearly to weak to push any real solution, his plan is simply drop some bombs and let the next president deal with it.

Take for example the water shortages is many places including the Middle East. There is an easy solution, desalination. But despite the solution being obvious and achievable many have sat around and done nothing.

Obama doesn´t want to send troops or do more because the public is sort of "traumatized" by the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, nobody wants to see more bodybags reaching America

It is rather difficult to fight a war the public has no will to fight.

[Migas999]

Obama doesn´t want to send troops or do more because the public is sort of "traumatized" by the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, nobody wants to see more bodybags reaching America

It is rather difficult to fight a war the public has no will to fight.

And that´s why he doesn´t send troops and just bombs ISIS

[New Jordslag]

It is rather difficult to fight a war the public has no will to fight.

And that´s why he doesn´t send troops and just bombs ISIS

Indeed. Though I rather do wish that the Arab League would send more than simply advisers in.

[Migas999]

And that´s why he doesn´t send troops and just bombs ISIS

Indeed. Though I rather do wish that the Arab League would send more than simply advisers in.

They´re the ones that are better "placed"(so to say) to send troops

[Laanvia]

Like they've done so well so far.

Civil War forced them to not give the citizens freedom.

That is the most shit excuse I've seen all day.

[Dain II Ironfoot]

Actually a large portion of the FSA consists out of Islamists, or it did at least, not sure now cause thousends of them joined IS.
But yeah, there are plenty of cases where the FSA installed Sharia law.

Local opposition authorities told Human Rights Watch that they have appointed judicial councils that review accusations against detainees and issue sentences. In some towns, these judicial councils relied exclusively on Sharia law. In other towns, the judicial councils relied on Sharia law for civil matters, but still relied on Syrian criminal law for criminal matters.

Drbal and his colleagues made no bones about the fact that the post-Assad justice dispensed by their court was based on Islamic sharia law. “We are ruling on the basis of sharia,” explained Seraj al-Halabi, one of the men. “We have lawyers, judges and former army officers,” said al-Halabi, himself a veterinarian, “but all of us are Islamic scholars.” Everyone has the right to have his or her case heard by the council, he added. “We are ruling in every area of the law.”



True, but its only shows that some (and before IS alot) of them are radical Islamists.



1) When was that last recall of yours? The Prime Minister of Syria is Sunni, The Minster of Defense is Sunni, The Minister of Foreign Affairs and Expatriates is Sunni, the Minister of Religious Affairs is Sunni and many more out there. I'm wondering how much you actually know about politics in Syria...
2) Yup, they do, plenty of recorded actions where FSA alligned groups burned churches, killed or abused non-Muslims/Shia Muslims. Killed POW's or killed those that did not agree with them.
3) Now, still thousends of them joined IS, which only proved that the FSA was filled with Radical Islamists.
4) You reject a secular government and call for an "Islamic State", its pretty obvious what you want in Syria.

Right, but they don't implement full Sharia Law. The FSA should certainly not win the Syrian Civil War, if only for the sake of stability, but they are most definitely not as bad as, say, Al-Nusra, or, even more certainly, ISIS.

The FSA is remarkable in that it is the only faction of the Syrian Civil War other than the Syrian Government to have secular troops.

I would never say they are as bad as IS, though they aren't far from Al-Nusra to be honest...
Sure they have secular troops, but we should not forget that the FSA is nothing but a collective of hundres of militia's with their own ideas about things. If they would manage to win against the government and IS (which would be a miracle) they would start to fight amongst themselves, and i doubt the secular ones would win that fight...

[New Skaaneland]

I don't really think it's reasonable to make such a likeness, but I suppose there are things to do in games aswell which some would think twice about despite that it's good for your team. Spawnkilling and camping would apply in many cases. I suppose there are also situations where teamkilling is necessary against people misbehaving or acting really stupid.
Specifically in Battlefield there would be many more examples, cause there are so many different tricks you can pull on the enemies and someone will always think of one thing or another as unfair. At one server you could be an idiot for not parachuting into enemy bases to steal jets and helicopters, while on another one you might be banned for life if doing it. Even when there are official rules they could be unevenly applied etc.
Then of course there are cheaters, which to me is something completely different and a whole lot worse than any of what mentioned before. In real life there are no felonies one could commit which could be an equivilent to that.

Hell you mentioned tricks and parachuting in to steal helicpters and jets, In real life you aren´t worried about being called a noob, you´re worried about surviving so any tricks you use to kill or stay alive are welcome in real life, all everyone wants to do is survive

IRL some people are scared of being called "terrorists".

[Migas999]

Hell you mentioned tricks and parachuting in to steal helicpters and jets, In real life you aren´t worried about being called a noob, you´re worried about surviving so any tricks you use to kill or stay alive are welcome in real life, all everyone wants to do is survive

IRL some people are scared of being called "terrorists".

Some are others don´t care and ram cars with people with suicide vests against the gates of a military HQ(battle of Ramadi)

[New Jordslag]

Right, but they don't implement full Sharia Law. The FSA should certainly not win the Syrian Civil War, if only for the sake of stability, but they are most definitely not as bad as, say, Al-Nusra, or, even more certainly, ISIS.

The FSA is remarkable in that it is the only faction of the Syrian Civil War other than the Syrian Government to have secular troops.

I would never say they are as bad as IS, though they aren't far from Al-Nusra to be honest...
Sure they have secular troops, but we should not forget that the FSA is nothing but a collective of hundres of militia's with their own ideas about things. If they would manage to win against the government and IS (which would be a miracle) they would start to fight amongst themselves, and i doubt the secular ones would win that fight...

The FSA is made up of eight militias, not hundreds, and out of those I could only find evidence of three at most and two at least having a stated ideology of Islamism. Also, the largest Militia in the FSA, the Southern Front, is also the most completely secular one. Chances are, most of the Islamist FSA troops have already defected to ISIS. I doubt there's much Islamism left in them now. Though I agree that if they did win, stability would take a big hit, and Non-FSA Islamist Groups would take over in a coup or revolution.

[Yuketobaniac]

IRL some people are scared of being called "terrorists".

Some are others don´t care and ram cars with people with suicide vests against the gates of a military HQ(battle of Ramadi)

ISIS does not care to die.

[New Skaaneland]

IRL some people are scared of being called "terrorists".

Some are others don´t care and ram cars with people with suicide vests against the gates of a military HQ(battle of Ramadi)

If you're trying to say that there are also terrorists, then I agree. If you're trying to say that there are certein people who wouldn't mind being called terrorists in certein situations I also agree. Note the word "some" in my post before.

[Gauthier]

Some are others don´t care and ram cars with people with suicide vests against the gates of a military HQ(battle of Ramadi)

ISIS does not care to die.

They don't have to with countless edgy teens and disaffected Muslims volunteering to die for them.

[New Jordslag]

Indeed. Though I rather do wish that the Arab League would send more than simply advisers in.

They´re the ones that are better "placed"(so to say) to send troops

Right. Their populations, at least for the most part, oppose ISIS, and they have strong militaries that, if combined, could crush ISIS like the bug it is. It concerns me slightly that they are not intervening beyond airstrikes. Though, to be fair to them, their fear that Iran might intervene is a valid one. Iranian involvement is already highly suspected.

[Migas999]

Some are others don´t care and ram cars with people with suicide vests against the gates of a military HQ(battle of Ramadi)

If you're trying to say that there are also terrorists, then I agree. If you're trying to say that there are certein people who wouldn't mind being called terrorists in certein situations I also agree. Note the word "some" in my post before.

Then we agree

[Migas999]

Some are others don´t care and ram cars with people with suicide vests against the gates of a military HQ(battle of Ramadi)

ISIS does not care to die.

I know they don´t

[Migas999]

ISIS does not care to die.

They don't have to with countless edgy teens and disaffected Muslims volunteering to die for them.

Exactly, ISIS has most of it´s foreign recruits blow themselves up

[New Skaaneland]

If you're trying to say that there are also terrorists, then I agree. If you're trying to say that there are certein people who wouldn't mind being called terrorists in certein situations I also agree. Note the word "some" in my post before.

Then we agree

On these particular points, yes.

[Migas999]

They´re the ones that are better "placed"(so to say) to send troops

Right. Their populations, at least for the most part, oppose ISIS, and they have strong militaries that, if combined, could crush ISIS like the bug it is. It concerns me slightly that they are not intervening beyond airstrikes. Though, to be fair to them, their fear that Iran might intervene is a valid one. Iranian involvement is already highly suspected.

Iranian involvement is almost all but proved their hand is in,for example, the Shia militias

[New Jordslag]

Well, apparently Turkey now publicly supports the Syrian Opposition.

[Novus America]

I would never say they are as bad as IS, though they aren't far from Al-Nusra to be honest...
Sure they have secular troops, but we should not forget that the FSA is nothing but a collective of hundres of militia's with their own ideas about things. If they would manage to win against the government and IS (which would be a miracle) they would start to fight amongst themselves, and i doubt the secular ones would win that fight...

The FSA is made up of eight militias, not hundreds, and out of those I could only find evidence of three at most and two at least having a stated ideology of Islamism. Also, the largest Militia in the FSA, the Southern Front, is also the most completely secular one. Chances are, most of the Islamist FSA troops have already defected to ISIS. I doubt there's much Islamism left in them now. Though I agree that if they did win, stability would take a big hit, and Non-FSA Islamist Groups would take over in a coup or revolution.

Umm, says right there the Southern Front is a coalition of 58 militias...

Each of those 8 groups is a coalition of numerous militias.

Your own source completely disproves your argument.