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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon May 18, 2015 11:35 am

Whitesands wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Daesh is an Arabic acronym for ISIS, it's insulting to say the least so that's why most of us use it. Plus I don't want to call them a state, that's giving them far too much legitimacy.


How is Daesh pronounced? Die-esh? Daysh?


I've always said it as Die-esh, I'm pretty sure that's correct but I'm not certain.

Naturalnewsistan wrote:http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/17/asia/isis-ramadi/

Ramadi in Iraq has fallen, the Iraqi Army fled and abandoned mass amounts of American supplied weapons to Daesh/IS/ISIS.

Ironic how the U.S. is effectively supplying Daesh with weapons by providing them to the Iraqi Army.

We might need to rethink our strategy or lack thereof it is not working well. The Delta Force raid was great, but this means we are probably going to be forced to provide more boots on the ground.


The Iraqi Army folks, proving how incompetent they are once again. It's sad when the militias and foreign volunteers have a better track record than the army.
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Postby Organized States » Mon May 18, 2015 11:40 am

MH-X potentially used in Sayaff Raid.

Makes sense, considering that it was Delta.
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Postby Imperial City-States » Mon May 18, 2015 11:42 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Naturalnewsistan wrote:http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/17/asia/isis-ramadi/

Ramadi in Iraq has fallen, the Iraqi Army fled and abandoned mass amounts of American supplied weapons to Daesh/IS/ISIS.

Ironic how the U.S. is effectively supplying Daesh with weapons by providing them to the Iraqi Army.

We might need to rethink our strategy or lack thereof it is not working well. The Delta Force raid was great, but this means we are probably going to be forced to provide more boots on the ground.


The Iraqi Army folks, proving how incompetent they are once again. It's sad when the militias and foreign volunteers have a better track record than the army.



They didn't need to prove anything, everyone already knew they were incompetent. And as the Foreign volunteers are (mostly) former military from assorted country's it's not surprising that the track record is better.
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Postby Naturalnewsistan » Mon May 18, 2015 12:03 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Whitesands wrote:
How is Daesh pronounced? Die-esh? Daysh?


I've always said it as Die-esh, I'm pretty sure that's correct but I'm not certain.

Naturalnewsistan wrote:http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/17/asia/isis-ramadi/

Ramadi in Iraq has fallen, the Iraqi Army fled and abandoned mass amounts of American supplied weapons to Daesh/IS/ISIS.

Ironic how the U.S. is effectively supplying Daesh with weapons by providing them to the Iraqi Army.

We might need to rethink our strategy or lack thereof it is not working well. The Delta Force raid was great, but this means we are probably going to be forced to provide more boots on the ground.


The Iraqi Army folks, proving how incompetent they are once again. It's sad when the militias and foreign volunteers have a better track record than the army.


The Iraqi Army has long been little more than a political patronage and money laundering scheme. And the soldiers are more loyal to their tribe than the disfunctional central government.

So tribal militias and heck even mercenaries fight better. People often join the Iraqi Army with no intention of actually fighting.

Morale is the most important weapon of war. Without morale even the best equipped army will flee.
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Postby Naturalnewsistan » Mon May 18, 2015 12:06 pm

Organized States wrote:MH-X potentially used in Sayaff Raid.

Makes sense, considering that it was Delta.


Technically it was the 160th SOAR with the helicopters. But the Night Stalkers often work with Delta so it is not surprising, the Night Stalkers usually provide the aviation for these sorts of ops.

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Postby Imperial City-States » Mon May 18, 2015 6:22 pm

Open letter to the Iraqi Army.

Thoughts?
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Postby The balkens » Mon May 18, 2015 6:38 pm

Imperial City-States wrote:Open letter to the Iraqi Army.

Thoughts?


Yes.

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Postby Ganos Lao » Mon May 18, 2015 7:13 pm

Imperial City-States wrote:Open letter to the Iraqi Army.

Thoughts?


How long till someone writes about how the US disbanded the original, 'better' Iraqi Army?

IIRC this thread even had a post or two pages back that said it was a mistake of the US to disband it.



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Postby Imperial City-States » Mon May 18, 2015 7:38 pm

Ganos Lao wrote:
Imperial City-States wrote:Open letter to the Iraqi Army.

Thoughts?


How long till someone writes about how the US disbanded the original, 'better' Iraqi Army?

IIRC this thread even had a post or two pages back that said it was a mistake of the US to disband it.


Both incarcerations of the Iraqi were/are immensely corrupt and the old Army only had Republican guard units that actually fought, the rest surrendered. From what i remember the original Iraqi Army was disbanded to prevent a coup when the U.S eventually left.
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Postby Salus Maior » Tue May 19, 2015 3:57 am

Naturalnewsistan wrote:http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/17/asia/isis-ramadi/

Ramadi in Iraq has fallen, the Iraqi Army fled and abandoned mass amounts of American supplied weapons to Daesh/IS/ISIS.

Ironic how the U.S. is effectively supplying Daesh with weapons by providing them to the Iraqi Army.

We might need to rethink our strategy or lack thereof it is not working well. The Delta Force raid was great, but this means we are probably going to be forced to provide more boots on the ground.


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Postby Napkiraly » Tue May 19, 2015 4:05 am

Ganos Lao wrote:
Imperial City-States wrote:Open letter to the Iraqi Army.

Thoughts?


How long till someone writes about how the US disbanded the original, 'better' Iraqi Army?

IIRC this thread even had a post or two pages back that said it was a mistake of the US to disband it.

Which is rather hilarious considering that the 'original' Iraqi army in both wars folded up rather fast. IIRC it was the Republican Guard and foreign fighters that caused most of the problems in the invasion of Iraq back in 03.

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Postby West Aurelia » Tue May 19, 2015 7:05 am

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Postby Brissia » Tue May 19, 2015 3:41 pm

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Brissia wrote:I'm Jewish, so I guess I'll just stare at your windows, waving a menorah at Christmas Carolers.

But you won't because Hanukkah is at Thanksgiving.
Just imagine; "Friends, family, I'd just like to say before I cut the Turkey BARUCH ATA ADONAI..."


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Postby Brissia » Tue May 19, 2015 4:07 pm

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Shimon-Zhivago wrote:
Brissia wrote:I'm Jewish, so I guess I'll just stare at your windows, waving a menorah at Christmas Carolers.

But you won't because Hanukkah is at Thanksgiving.
Just imagine; "Friends, family, I'd just like to say before I cut the Turkey BARUCH ATA ADONAI..."

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Postby New Skaaneland » Tue May 19, 2015 4:15 pm

Let me guess. Battlefield Friends?
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Postby The balkens » Tue May 19, 2015 4:18 pm

Isis Theater presents: Vacation
"Hey! Are you tired of your parents telling you what to do? Are you a edgy teenager with a hatred for the west? Or are just some stupid Drone-bait just waiting to be gunned down? Come on down to Jihadi Shoals! Thats right! we have sun, beaches, covered up women and constant fucking prayer. Beach Volley ball? Its the fucking middle east, we just drop a kiddy pool on the ground and call it a beach and set up a court nearby. And see our Moon simulator! thats right, millions of Craters for miles around, you be lucky to find pieces of your comrades in them!"

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Postby Dain II Ironfoot » Tue May 19, 2015 4:30 pm

Brissia wrote:

That vacation one is clearly a ploy to solidify their claims to nationhood, in my opinion.


True, but it would still be a very interesting place to visit. Ofcourse i'm not going untill i know for sure that i will get back home with my head still attached to my body, a guarantee they can't offer i'm afraid.
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Postby Dain II Ironfoot » Tue May 19, 2015 4:31 pm

The balkens wrote:Isis Theater presents: Vacation
"Hey! Are you tired of your parents telling you what to do? Are you a edgy teenager with a hatred for the west? Or are just some stupid Drone-bait just waiting to be gunned down? Come on down to Jihadi Shoals! Thats right! we have sun, beaches, covered up women and constant fucking prayer. Beach Volley ball? Its the fucking middle east, we just drop a kiddy pool on the ground and call it a beach and set up a court nearby. And see our Moon simulator! thats right, millions of Craters for miles around, you be lucky to find pieces of your comrades in them!"


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Postby New Skaaneland » Tue May 19, 2015 5:21 pm

Too bad I don't fit the description.
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Tue May 19, 2015 5:37 pm

From now on we need to fit all equipment for the Iraqi army with self destruct devices.

Dain II Ironfoot wrote:True, but it would still be a very interesting place to visit. Ofcourse i'm not going untill i know for sure that i will get back home with my head still attached to my body, a guarantee they can't offer i'm afraid.

I'm reminded of that travel wiki site that had their entry on the Capital of Somalia. Every section was preceded with various warnings that doing anything in the city, from visiting a location, getting around, to even staying in your hotel, had an extreme risk of getting abducted and\or murdered.
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Postby Ganos Lao » Tue May 19, 2015 5:46 pm

The Lone Alliance wrote:From now on we need to fit all equipment for the Iraqi army with self destruct devices.

Dain II Ironfoot wrote:True, but it would still be a very interesting place to visit. Ofcourse i'm not going untill i know for sure that i will get back home with my head still attached to my body, a guarantee they can't offer i'm afraid.

I'm reminded of that travel wiki site that had their entry on the Capital of Somalia. Every section was preceded with various warnings that doing anything in the city, from visiting a location, getting around, to even staying in your hotel, had an extreme risk of getting abducted and\or murdered.


If you go on Wikitravel and look up a random place, some interesting tidbits are sure to spring up. For example, I looked up Swaziland and a warning came up as follows:

Under no circumstances, insult King Mswati III or the royal family of Swaziland. Activism is brutally dispersed and people are reported to be shot and to be brutally injured from doing this! Do not attend ANY of the political demonstrations that happen occasionally.


It also noted that that country is essentially AIDS central, and that nearly 1 in 3 adults are infected.

But at least I can think of a reason or two to go to Swaziland. Why would anyone go to Somalia?



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Postby Blakk Metal » Tue May 19, 2015 6:29 pm

Have you guys noticed that people are making IS references where previously they would have made Nazi references?
The balkens wrote:Isis Theater presents: Vacation
"Hey! Are you tired of your parents telling you what to do? Are you a edgy teenager with a hatred for the west? Or are just some stupid Drone-bait just waiting to be gunned down? Come on down to Jihadi Shoals! Thats right! we have sun, beaches, covered up women

Slaves aren't required to cover up.
and constant fucking prayer.

Five times a day isn't constant.
Beach Volley ball? Its the fucking middle east, we just drop a kiddy pool on the ground and call it a beach and set up a court nearby.

At this rate, IS is going to have real beaches in a few months, which the ME indeed has.

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Postby Ontorisa » Tue May 19, 2015 6:36 pm

Imperial City-States wrote:Open letter to the Iraqi Army.

Thoughts?


I'm usually not this kind of guy but:

Fuck the Iraqi Army, we need troops there. The Kurds are getting pushed back, the various militias and foreign volunteers are getting hammered despite what everyone is saying and Iran does not have the local support or logistics to continue a sustained open field combat with ISIS.

Seriously, Special Forces are good when you have conventional, not-going-to-bail-out-on-a-fucking-huge-defensive-advantage, decently trained, decently armed, prepared army to fall back on. If not, then you're getting into a grinding match that you will and I repeat, will lose a shit ton of irreplaceable soldiers.

Those are my two cents.

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Postby Ganos Lao » Tue May 19, 2015 6:47 pm

ISIS attempts to drum up anti-Communist sympathies, accusing the Kurds of being led by Communists.



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