Islamic State Crisis Megathread (ISIS/ISIL/IS)

[Imperial City-States]

The problem with ISIS is that most of its soldiers aren't ultra-conservative Islamists. Most of them are idealists, simple Muslims, many from Europe, who see in ISIS an end to western influence. Many of them try to flee back to the West once they realize their mistake, but many are either unable to escape or haven't realized the truth yet.

Yes, because the evil Western Devils are all lying about ISIS/ISIL's atrocities. Their ignorance and stupidity is their mistake, it's a good thing they can't return so society can carry on without their stupidity.

More killing from the US will just give ISIS propagandist fuel to enlist more troops. The US must strive to create a permanent solution to the Middle East, which will never be achieved with endless murder.

ISIS Propaganda:
"Fight the Great Satan America! You will die by the hundreds from something you can't see let alone combat." Very effective i'm sure. No matter how fanatical you are, you get tired of dying eventually. No matter what the cause is, you will lose morale due to the fact that you're fighting an enemy that you can't harm.

The current solution (allowing the ME to fight for itself) is the only effective manner. This whole situation arose due to the power vacuum left by the destruction of the Taliban and AQ as large scale entity's. The long term solution is to have religion itself removed from human society. As that's an impossibility the next best step is to eliminate the instigators who are the master minds behind this folly.

[Imperial City-States]

Guerrillas are nonlegal combatants as defined by the UN. they do not have the same rights that 'legal' combatants have (I.E Geneva Convention.)


ISIS is nothing more than a terrorist cell that gained manpower off the ignorant and equipment off the weak. They are by no means a nation and will likely be gone as a serious threat inside of a decade.

They have shown to possess an infrastructure and system of governance comparable to a nation state, as opposed to isolated terror cells employed by other such organizations.

Which, of course, totally makes you a legitimate government.

[The Romulan Republic]

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You don't get to decide who qualifies as human so that you can justify stripping rights from certain people. All humans are entitled to certain rights. That's why they're called human rights.

I don't need to 'decide' who qualifies as human and who does not.

Except that's what you're trying to do.

They're actions 'decide' it for them. Act like an animal, get treated like one.

That's not how a civilized, just country works.

And no, not all humans are entitled to certain rights.

The US Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, and the UN would beg to differ, I believe.

This is War not some SJW bullshit that you can toss around.

Well aren't you a big tough bad ass?

Ah, SJW. A derogatory term to demean and stigmatize those who believe in Justice. Let me guess: You're also a fan of "bleeding heart" and "feminazi"? Hell, why not go all the way and use "uppity n*gger" if that's the way you think?

Those in GITMO are the enemy and are responsible for utter atrocities on civilians and others. They are not protected by any POW laws that apply to 'conventional 'forces because they're Guerrillas.

Those in GITMO have never been tried (at least, not all of them have), so their's no way to know weather they're the enemy or not.

Once you get what you need from them, take them out back and put a bullet in their head.

Bet you felt real bad ass and cool saying that.

[Imperial City-States]

I don't need to 'decide' who qualifies as human and who does not.

Except that's what you're trying to do.

No, i am stating a fact.

They're actions 'decide' it for them. Act like an animal, get treated like one.

That's not how a civilized, just country works.

Says who?

And no, not all humans are entitled to certain rights.

The US Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, and the UN would beg to differ, I believe.

The US Constitution and the Dec of Indep only apply to U.S territory. GITMO isn't on U.S territory. (Just on a U.S installation) And those rights do not apply to terrorist,

This is War not some SJW bullshit that you can toss around.

Well aren't you a big tough bad ass?

Ah, SJW. A derogatory term to demean and stigmatize those who believe in Justice.

A derogatory to demean those who are politically correct over minute articles and have their own 'values' get in the way of what is practical*

Those in GITMO are the enemy and are responsible for utter atrocities on civilians and others. They are not protected by any POW laws that apply to 'conventional 'forces because they're Guerrillas.

Those in GITMO have never been tried (at least, not all of them have), so their's no way to know weather they're the enemy or not.

Yes, because the military is totally going to devote extensive resources to tracking your ass down, capturing you and keeping you in a secure facility if they are not 100% certain of who the individual is and what they've done.

Once you get what you need from them, take them out back and put a bullet in their head.

Bet you felt real bad ass and cool saying that.

No, it's what needs to be done. Keeping them imprisoned is expensive and it's stupid to let them walk.

[The New Lowlands]

Yes, because the military is totally going to devote extensive resources to tracking your ass down, capturing you and keeping you in a secure facility if they are not 100% certain of who the individual is and what they've done.

You know this has happened, right?

Often?

[L Ron Cupboard]

Palmyra now threatened by IS, it would be such a tragedy if it gets destroyed.

[Farnhamia]

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You don't get to decide who qualifies as human so that you can justify stripping rights from certain people. All humans are entitled to certain rights. That's why they're called human rights.

I don't need to 'decide' who qualifies as human and who does not. They're actions 'decide' it for them. Act like an animal, get treated like one. And no, not all humans are entitled to certain rights. This is War not some SJW bullshit that you can toss around. Those in GITMO are the enemy and are responsible for utter atrocities on civilians and others. They are not protected by any POW laws that apply to 'conventional 'forces because they're Guerrillas.

Once you get what you need from them, take them out back and put a bullet in their head.

*** 3 day ban for trolling ***

Coming on top of a series of warnings and bans for flaming, I think you should use the time to think seriously about how you post here.

[New Skaaneland]

"Fight the Great Satan America! You will die by the hundreds from something you can't see let alone combat." Very effective i'm sure. No matter how fanatical you are, you get tired of dying eventually. No matter what the cause is, you will lose morale due to the fact that you're fighting an enemy that you can't harm.

I agree that USA as a nation and as a force does have the upper hand against radical muslims on a whole, but you're wrong if you don't think they can inflict any damage at all to American interests. Just the fact that such people exist in defiance against Western values is a limitation to the world wide power of USA and I think we all remember those towers which they blew up. Sure, they might not bring down the Western civilisation, at least not in a very long time, but that's not the same as not doing any harm to an enemy.

[Bezkoshtovnya]

Guerrillas are still combatants. Also, by this time, we might as well consider IS a nation.

Guerrillas are nonlegal combatants as defined by the UN. they do not have the same rights that 'legal' combatants have (I.E Geneva Convention.)

Perhaps, but they are still humans and thus entitled to human rights as outlined by the UN.

[The Lone Alliance]

SJW's

So what do all of y'all think of that?

Sweden needs regime change, any government who cares more about the emotional well being of terrorists over their own people doesn't have their priorities in order.

That seems to be Sweden in a nutshell though. They care about everybody but their own citizens.

[New Skaaneland]

Well, I took a quick read through The Sweden Report and yes, these are typical messages for the agenda Swedish people are being taught by the government, through media and announcements by politicians. I generally share Sweden Report's view of how the nation is being officially represented.
However, I don't really care about these issues as much as I care about living my own life, as independant as possible of any stupid government. I want to work, earn some money and when I get home I want food on my table. I want access to various forms of entertainment and I want to follow my football club without any useless restrictions. I want to be free to meet my friends again and hopefully a girl or two.

I didn't vote for this government and I don't see how this whole political story would be a reasonable explenation for what seems to be going on. Terrorism isn't really that big of an issue to me. If I had that choice I'd rather kill a bunch of malmö fans than some Islamic guy in the Middle East.

[Blakk Metal]

Fall Blau has begun.

[The Lone Alliance]

Which raises possible parallels between USA vs. Cuba and Russia vs. Ukraine...

Not exactly, Gitmo would be more of an example of a New Ukrainian government demanding that the Russians leave the Sevastopol Naval Base only for Russia to go "Nyet" and continue to stay there.

Which in hindsight is most likely should have been the right choice to make instead of occupying all of Crimea.

Anyway, returning to the subject at hand: Terrorists, although despicable, are still people. They must be punished, severely, but punished as people. Perhaps there should even be programs to reintroduce them into society.

Fine then, YOU take care of them.
We'll make it a reality TV show.

Fall Blau has begun.

And it took them three tries too.

[West Aurelia]

US special forces attempt to capture but end up killing an IS leader in Syria (they captured his wife and freed a Yazidi slave):

http://wh.gov/iKQPE

http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=128832

The fact that they risked this operation means that he was likely very important.

[The Alma Mater]

US special forces attempt to capture but end up killing an IS leader in Syria (they captured his wife and freed a Yazidi slave):

http://wh.gov/iKQPE

http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=128832

The fact that they risked this operation means that he was likely very important.

He was in charge of the IS controlled oil fields.
*insert sarcastic "the USA is only there for the oil" below the dotted line*

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[Organized States]

US special forces attempt to capture but end up killing an IS leader in Syria (they captured his wife and freed a Yazidi slave):

http://wh.gov/iKQPE

http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=128832

The fact that they risked this operation means that he was likely very important.

I suspect this was actually a kill mission and they've changed the narrative, probably for PR reasons. Capture missions against guys like these are pretty unheard of.

But this guy was a real piece of work and deserved to get hit either way.

[Laanvia]

US special forces attempt to capture but end up killing an IS leader in Syria (they captured his wife and freed a Yazidi slave):

http://wh.gov/iKQPE

http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=128832

The fact that they risked this operation means that he was likely very important.

[Imperial City-States]

US special forces attempt to capture but end up killing an IS leader in Syria (they captured his wife and freed a Yazidi slave):

http://wh.gov/iKQPE

http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=128832

The fact that they risked this operation means that he was likely very important.

I suspect this was actually a kill mission and they've changed the narrative, probably for PR reasons. Capture missions against guys like these are pretty unheard of.

But this guy was a real piece of work and deserved to get hit either way.

Beat me to it-

[New Skaaneland]

What is this narrative thing you talk about?

[Imperial City-States]

What is this narrative thing you talk about?

What he (and i) mean by that is the plan originally was (probably) just an assassination. And the story was changed to a "Capture Mission" for PR reasons.

[New Skaaneland]

While I understand that communication can be important in many ways and that some things could be secret, I got the impression that you meant something else, as if there was some kind of big masterplan which was diverted from.

[Imperial City-States]

While I understand that communication can be important in many ways and that some things could be secret, I got the impression that you meant something else, as if there was some kind of big masterplan which was diverted from.

Because someone, somewhere would throw a fit, that only they care about, if the U.S gov outright said it was an assassination. The communication gig is one of the most important aspects of a situation like this. Lose support of the public and you lose the war. (Vietnam (US), Afghanistan (RUS)

[New Skaaneland]

Well, it's a matter of definition if you win by not having a government overthrown which kills and tortures most of the people in order to defend a system which ultimatelly only leads the country into bankrupcy. The war and the resistance against it also spawned a lot of good music, festivals and opportunities for Americans to have a good time, but sure Vietnam was a tad on the glory of the American armed forces and I doubt that those who served came home very happy. Those who did come home at all.

[Salus Maior]

Looks like Palmyra is going to get wrecked by ISIS.....

[Washington Resistance Army]

Looks like Palmyra is going to get wrecked by ISIS.....

I really fucking hope not.