Islamic State Crisis Megathread (ISIS/ISIL/IS)

[Imperial City-States]

If you go and fight for ISIS you are committing Terrorism and should be treated like a Terrorist. Toss em in GITMO.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

If you go and fight for ISIS you are committing Terrorism and should be treated like a Terrorist. Toss em in GITMO.

Gitmo is un-American (You like being American, right?) and unconstitutional. Not to mention it's a violation of basic human rights.

[Imperial City-States]

If you go and fight for ISIS you are committing Terrorism and should be treated like a Terrorist. Toss em in GITMO.

Gitmo is un-American (You like being American, right?) and unconstitutional. Not to mention it's a violation of basic human rights.

GITMO is not in the United States and isn't affected by the Constitution. And you don't have rights if you're a Terrorist.

[The balkens]

If you go and fight for ISIS you are committing Terrorism and should be treated like a Terrorist. Toss em in GITMO.

Gitmo is un-American (You like being American, right?) and unconstitutional. Not to mention it's a violation of basic human rights.

What do you expect to do? Just toss them in a conventional prison?

[Imperial City-States]

SJW's

So what do all of y'all think of that?

[Washington Resistance Army]

SJW's

So what do all of y'all think of that?

Sweden continues to go full retard I see.

[The Great Warrior Rivers]

Gitmo is un-American (You like being American, right?) and unconstitutional. Not to mention it's a violation of basic human rights.

What do you expect to do? Just toss them in a conventional prison?

Due process.

[Imperial City-States]

What do you expect to do? Just toss them in a conventional prison?

Due process.

Doesn't apply if you're an armed combatant. Terrorist.



Minor correction.

[Purger]

If you go and fight for ISIS you are committing Terrorism and should be treated like a Terrorist. Toss em in GITMO.

Gitmo is un-American (You like being American, right?) and unconstitutional. Not to mention it's a violation of basic human rights.

Gitmo is not American territory so US laws do not apply there.

[Bezkoshtovnya]

Gitmo is un-American (You like being American, right?) and unconstitutional. Not to mention it's a violation of basic human rights.

Gitmo is not American territory so US laws do not apply there.

....It very much is American territory. Sort of why there is an American institution there. Every base in another country is under the jurisdiction of US law, and GITMO is no exception.

[Imperial City-States]

Gitmo is not American territory so US laws do not apply there.

....It very much is American territory. Sort of why there is an American institution there. Every base in another country is under the jurisdiction of US law, and GITMO is no exception.

Actually no, it's not. Is still technically a part of Cuba. And GITMO follows Military Law because they're dealing with (unlawful) combatants.

[Brissia]

....It very much is American territory. Sort of why there is an American institution there. Every base in another country is under the jurisdiction of US law, and GITMO is no exception.

Actually no, it's not. Is still technically a part of Cuba. And GITMO follows Military Law because they're dealing with (unlawful) combatants.

Speaking of Cuba, should it even be there if Cuba does not want it to be there? Technically speaking, the US is violating an independent nations sovereignty...

[Imperial City-States]

Actually no, it's not. Is still technically a part of Cuba. And GITMO follows Military Law because they're dealing with (unlawful) combatants.

Speaking of Cuba, should it even be there if Cuba does not want it to be there? Technically speaking, the US is violating an independent nations sovereignty...

Technically yes, but what the hell is Cuba going to do about it? They depend almost entirely on Tourism to get foreign currency into their economy and there is no way in hell that they're going to risk another Embargo (of some flavor). Plus what, all they can really do is complain to the UN about the actions of a Super Power.

[Brissia]

Speaking of Cuba, should it even be there if Cuba does not want it to be there? Technically speaking, the US is violating an independent nations sovereignty...

Technically yes, but what the hell is Cuba going to do about it? They depend almost entirely on Tourism to get foreign currency into their economy and there is no way in hell that they're going to risk another Embargo (of some flavor). Plus what, all they can really do is complain to the UN about the actions of a Super Power.

Which raises possible parallels between USA vs. Cuba and Russia vs. Ukraine...

Anyway, returning to the subject at hand: Terrorists, although despicable, are still people. They must be punished, severely, but punished as people. Perhaps there should even be programs to reintroduce them into society.

[Imperial City-States]

Which raises possible parallels between USA vs. Cuba and Russia vs. Ukraine...

Difference being that Russia physically invaded Ukraine, upset the resident government and poured gasoline onto a fire.

The United States is simply choosing no to leave. The two aren't really comparable.

Anyway, returning to the subject at hand: Terrorists, although despicable, are still people. They must be punished, severely, but punished as people. Perhaps there should even be programs to reintroduce them into society.

Attacking targets with the intent to cause civilian casualties, putting people in barrels filled with oil/tar and igniting them while they're still alive. As cruel and dehumanizing as it sounds. They gave up the title of being 'human' long ago.

Perhaps there should even be programs to reintroduce them into society.

Interesting concept. Laughable, but interesting.

[The Romulan Republic]

Gitmo is un-American (You like being American, right?) and unconstitutional. Not to mention it's a violation of basic human rights.

What do you expect to do? Just toss them in a conventional prison?

In a word, yes.

Or a prisoner of war facility that actually adheres to the concept of human rights.

[The Romulan Republic]

Which raises possible parallels between USA vs. Cuba and Russia vs. Ukraine...

Difference being that Russia physically invaded Ukraine, upset the resident government and poured gasoline onto a fire.

The United States is simply choosing no to leave. The two aren't really comparable.

Anyway, returning to the subject at hand: Terrorists, although despicable, are still people. They must be punished, severely, but punished as people. Perhaps there should even be programs to reintroduce them into society.

Attacking targets with the intent to cause civilian casualties, putting people in barrels filled with oil/tar and igniting them while they're still alive. As cruel and dehumanizing as it sounds. They gave up the title of being 'human' long ago.

Perhaps there should even be programs to reintroduce them into society.

Interesting concept. Laughable, but interesting.

You don't get to decide who qualifies as human so that you can justify stripping rights from certain people. All humans are entitled to certain rights. That's why they're called human rights.

[Imperial City-States]

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You don't get to decide who qualifies as human so that you can justify stripping rights from certain people. All humans are entitled to certain rights. That's why they're called human rights.

I don't need to 'decide' who qualifies as human and who does not. They're actions 'decide' it for them. Act like an animal, get treated like one. And no, not all humans are entitled to certain rights. This is War not some SJW bullshit that you can toss around. Those in GITMO are the enemy and are responsible for utter atrocities on civilians and others. They are not protected by any POW laws that apply to 'conventional 'forces because they're Guerrillas.

Once you get what you need from them, take them out back and put a bullet in their head.

[Brissia]

Which raises possible parallels between USA vs. Cuba and Russia vs. Ukraine...

Difference being that Russia physically invaded Ukraine, upset the resident government and poured gasoline onto a fire.

The United States is simply choosing no to leave. The two aren't really comparable.

Anyway, returning to the subject at hand: Terrorists, although despicable, are still people. They must be punished, severely, but punished as people. Perhaps there should even be programs to reintroduce them into society.

Attacking targets with the intent to cause civilian casualties, putting people in barrels filled with oil/tar and igniting them while they're still alive. As cruel and dehumanizing as it sounds. They gave up the title of being 'human' long ago.

Perhaps there should even be programs to reintroduce them into society.

Interesting concept. Laughable, but interesting.

One could however argue that the people of Donetsk and Lugansk actually want a Russian presence, unlike Cuba.


We must understand that to these people, that is the only way. They feel cornered, cheated by western powers. Again, I do agree that they must be punished. Its just that they must be punished according to international law.

A concept the implementation of which would show that the US isn't fighting to kill, destroy, etc., but to save and actually liberate.

[Brissia]

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You don't get to decide who qualifies as human so that you can justify stripping rights from certain people. All humans are entitled to certain rights. That's why they're called human rights.

I don't need to 'decide' who qualifies as human and who does not. They're actions 'decide' it for them. Act like an animal, get treated like one. And no, not all humans are entitled to certain rights. This is War not some SJW bullshit that you can toss around. Those in GITMO are the enemy and are responsible for utter atrocities on civilians and others. They are not protected by any POW laws that apply to 'conventional 'forces because they're Guerrillas.

Once you get what you need from them, take them out back and put a bullet in their head.

Guerrillas are still combatants. Also, by this time, we might as well consider IS a nation.

[Imperial City-States]

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[Imperial City-States]

We must understand that to these people, that is the only way. They feel cornered, cheated by western powers. Again, I do agree that they must be punished. Its just that they must be punished according to international law.

'Cornered and cheated' has nothing to do with ISIS. This is their own ignorance spawned by those who're manipulating a religion for their own goals. And they aren't protected by the Geneva convention because they aren't "conventional" soldiers. They are committing acts of Terrorism not just against the United States but against the world. The rest of the world isn't stepping up to enforce' international' law so it's being enforced by the United States. And IIRC (please correct me if i'm wrong) International Law states that Terrorism is punishable by death (maximum).

A concept the implementation of which would show that the US isn't fighting to kill, destroy, etc., but to save and actually liberate.

I appreciate the zeal, i really do but i think you may be slightly misguided (my own opinion is jaded). You can't reason with people like ISIS. It's like trying to save a gangrenous limb. Your only hope is to sever the limb and keep the rest of the body intact. You can't 'save' what's already destroyed.

[Imperial City-States]

I don't need to 'decide' who qualifies as human and who does not. They're actions 'decide' it for them. Act like an animal, get treated like one. And no, not all humans are entitled to certain rights. This is War not some SJW bullshit that you can toss around. Those in GITMO are the enemy and are responsible for utter atrocities on civilians and others. They are not protected by any POW laws that apply to 'conventional 'forces because they're Guerrillas.

Once you get what you need from them, take them out back and put a bullet in their head.

Guerrillas are still combatants. Also, by this time, we might as well consider IS a nation.

Guerrillas are nonlegal combatants as defined by the UN. they do not have the same rights that 'legal' combatants have (I.E Geneva Convention.)


ISIS is nothing more than a terrorist cell that gained manpower off the ignorant and equipment off the weak. They are by no means a nation and will likely be gone as a serious threat inside of a decade.

[Brissia]

We must understand that to these people, that is the only way. They feel cornered, cheated by western powers. Again, I do agree that they must be punished. Its just that they must be punished according to international law.

'Cornered and cheated' has nothing to do with ISIS. This is their own ignorance spawned by those who're manipulating a religion for their own goals. And they aren't protected by the Geneva convention because they aren't "conventional" soldiers. They are committing acts of Terrorism not just against the United States but against the world. The rest of the world isn't stepping up to enforce' international' law so it's being enforced by the United States. And IIRC (please correct me if i'm wrong) International Law states that Terrorism is punishable by death (maximum).

A concept the implementation of which would show that the US isn't fighting to kill, destroy, etc., but to save and actually liberate.

I appreciate the zeal, i really do but i think you may be slightly misguided (my own opinion is jaded). You can't reason with people like ISIS. It's like trying to save a gangrenous limb. Your only hope is to sever the limb and keep the rest of the body intact. You can't 'save' what's already destroyed.

The problem with ISIS is that most of its soldiers aren't ultra-conservative Islamists. Most of them are idealists, simple Muslims, many from Europe, who see in ISIS an end to western influence. Many of them try to flee back to the West once they realize their mistake, but many are either unable to escape or haven't realized the truth yet.

More killing from the US will just give ISIS propagandist fuel to enlist more troops. The US must strive to create a permamnent solution to the Middle East, which will never be achieved with endless murder.

[Brissia]

Guerrillas are still combatants. Also, by this time, we might as well consider IS a nation.

Guerrillas are nonlegal combatants as defined by the UN. they do not have the same rights that 'legal' combatants have (I.E Geneva Convention.)


ISIS is nothing more than a terrorist cell that gained manpower off the ignorant and equipment off the weak. They are by no means a nation and will likely be gone as a serious threat inside of a decade.

They have shown to possess an infrastructure and system of governance comparable to a nation state, as opposed to isolated terror cells employed by other such organizations.