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Socialist Czechia
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Postby Socialist Czechia » Tue Apr 07, 2015 2:20 am

Salus Maior wrote:
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You fail to see my point? What point? I was merely making the observation that some would say America's borders were drawn without the say of the people actually living there (the Native Americans) just as you believe Iraq's was. Nothing more or less.


Native Americans weren't citizens of the U.S. The borders were drawn by the U.S Govt for the people of the U.S. Iraq's borders were drawn by a foreign power (Britain), without the say of the Iraqis or consideration of their cultural divisions, and then decided to not have anything to do with the place.


Because Britain had no desire to make Arabs or Persians stronger, more united and Kurds were too small and too unimportant to support. Forgotten and condemned to another foreign rule, like Armenians.
British never cared about long term solutions, if something worked more or less already, why to change it?

Which is sad, considering how easily it could be done better after destruction of Ottoman Empire. Now, it'll be much more complicated.
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Postby Salus Maior » Tue Apr 07, 2015 11:00 am

Socialist Czechia wrote:
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Native Americans weren't citizens of the U.S. The borders were drawn by the U.S Govt for the people of the U.S. Iraq's borders were drawn by a foreign power (Britain), without the say of the Iraqis or consideration of their cultural divisions, and then decided to not have anything to do with the place.


Because Britain had no desire to make Arabs or Persians stronger, more united and Kurds were too small and too unimportant to support. Forgotten and condemned to another foreign rule, like Armenians.
British never cared about long term solutions, if something worked more or less already, why to change it?

Which is sad, considering how easily it could be done better after destruction of Ottoman Empire. Now, it'll be much more complicated.


From what I've heard, the Ottomans were pretty good at administrating Iraq, and administered the 3 regions separately.
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Postby Socialist Czechia » Tue Apr 07, 2015 1:28 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Socialist Czechia wrote:
Because Britain had no desire to make Arabs or Persians stronger, more united and Kurds were too small and too unimportant to support. Forgotten and condemned to another foreign rule, like Armenians.
British never cared about long term solutions, if something worked more or less already, why to change it?

Which is sad, considering how easily it could be done better after destruction of Ottoman Empire. Now, it'll be much more complicated.


From what I've heard, the Ottomans were pretty good at administrating Iraq, and administered the 3 regions separately.


Because they often 'administrated' it like Germans 'administrated' Reichskomissariats.

It depended on particular sultan, but generally, they didn't allow nothing else but total obedience to sultan. Occasional massacres and mass murders were usually enough to silence people.

Chios massacre, 1822, is fine example:

Approximately three-quarters of the population of 120,000 were killed, enslaved or died of disease.[7][8] It is estimated that 2,000 people remained on the island after 21,000 managed to flee, 52,000 were enslaved and 52,000 massacred.[9] Tens of thousands of survivors dispersed throughout Europe and became part of the Chian Diaspora.
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"Those who reached my boundary, their seed is not; their hearts and their souls are finished forever and ever. As for those who had assembled before them on the sea, the full flame was their front before the harbour mouths, and a wall of metal upon the shore surrounded them. They were dragged, overturned, and laid low upon the beach; slain and made heaps from stern to bow of their galleys, while all their things were cast upon the water." - Ramesses III., Battle of the Delta

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Postby Bulrosia » Tue Apr 07, 2015 5:58 pm

Would anyone find it at least a little amusing to send Ratko Mladić to tackle ISIS as an idea?

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Postby Napkiraly » Tue Apr 07, 2015 6:29 pm

Bulrosia wrote:Would anyone find it at least a little amusing to send Ratko Mladić to tackle ISIS as an idea?

Ah yes more genocidal warlords running around the place. Great idea.

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Postby Bulrosia » Wed Apr 08, 2015 5:28 am

Napkiraly wrote:
Bulrosia wrote:Would anyone find it at least a little amusing to send Ratko Mladić to tackle ISIS as an idea?

Ah yes more genocidal warlords running around the place. Great idea.

It would be golden to see Serb paramilitaries remove Kebab and establish an Orthodox state in M.E.

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Postby West Aurelia » Wed Apr 08, 2015 5:55 am

Spanish police arrest 10 (AP) or 11 (Reuters) suspected IS members.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Apr 08, 2015 5:59 am

West Aurelia wrote:Spanish police arrest 10 (AP) or 11 (Reuters) suspected IS members.


Damn, good job Spain. Glad they didn't get to carry out any attacks.
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Postby West Aurelia » Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:05 am

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Postby Gauthier » Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:06 am



After killing how many more?
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Postby Vikingardr » Wed Apr 08, 2015 6:56 pm

ISIS destroys historical sites and loots museums

Nice ISIS... Apparently they promote "idolatry and apostatism"... I don't know about you but no one in the middle east worships Mesopotamian gods anymore
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Postby Napkiraly » Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:04 pm

Vikingardr wrote:ISIS destroys historical sites and loots museums

Nice ISIS... Apparently they promote "idolatry and apostatism"... I don't know about you but no one in the middle east worships Mesopotamian gods anymore

Though I hope Ereshkigal resurrects Gilgamesh to sort out ISIS.

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Postby Vikingardr » Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:10 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
Vikingardr wrote:ISIS destroys historical sites and loots museums

Nice ISIS... Apparently they promote "idolatry and apostatism"... I don't know about you but no one in the middle east worships Mesopotamian gods anymore

Though I hope Ereshkigal resurrects Gilgamesh to sort out ISIS.

As do I... Imagine if Gilgamesh goes and butcher's ISIS and Al-Baghdadi? That'd be awesome
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Postby Ganos Lao » Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:43 pm

Gauthier wrote:


After killing how many more?


You mean, after killing how many more of the men and after exploiting how many of the women and children. The article there says one mother's children were kept as she was let go. No doubt her daughters will be sex slaves and the boy will grow up to fritter his life away, perhaps quite explosively.
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Postby The balkens » Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:49 pm

Ganos Lao wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
After killing how many more?


You mean, after killing how many more of the men and after exploiting how many of the women and children. The article there says one mother's children were kept as she was let go. No doubt her daughters will be sex slaves and the boy will grow up to fritter his life away, perhaps quite explosively.


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Postby Napkiraly » Wed Apr 08, 2015 9:07 pm

Vikingardr wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:Though I hope Ereshkigal resurrects Gilgamesh to sort out ISIS.

As do I... Imagine if Gilgamesh goes and butcher's ISIS and Al-Baghdadi? That'd be awesome

I'd start worshiping the Mesopotamian deities at that point.

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Postby West Aurelia » Wed Apr 08, 2015 10:53 pm

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Postby Papait » Thu Apr 09, 2015 6:39 am

Vikingardr wrote:ISIS destroys historical sites and loots museums

Nice ISIS... Apparently they promote "idolatry and apostatism"... I don't know about you but no one in the middle east worships Mesopotamian gods anymore


well, actually some sufis consider several mesopotamian sites to be sacred
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Postby Busen » Thu Apr 09, 2015 8:58 am


This will mean the Iraqis will suffer more defeat and since there are many ISIS supporters in Sweden probably get even demoralised.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Apr 09, 2015 8:58 am

Busen wrote:

This will mean the Iraqis will suffer more defeat and since there are many ISIS supporters in Sweden probably get even demoralised.


That literally makes no sense.
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Postby Busen » Thu Apr 09, 2015 9:01 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Busen wrote:This will mean the Iraqis will suffer more defeat and since there are many ISIS supporters in Sweden probably get even demoralised.


That literally makes no sense.

The point: Swedish army=weak.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Apr 09, 2015 9:02 am

Busen wrote:
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That literally makes no sense.

The point: Swedish army=weak.


And you're basing this off of what exactly?
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