Islamic State Crisis Megathread (ISIS/ISIL/IS)

[Kubra]

Christianity and Islam are not the same. And also, how many Christian-based militants have been popping up lately as compared to Islam? Far fewer and much less destructive.

I'm not saying that all Muslims or even the majority of Muslims are prone to violence, but right now the major Muslim nations are literally promoting hateful and radical views (Wahhabism) and that is more likely the cause than anything else.

The entire concept of American imperialism is drenched in Christain conservatism and supremacism. And that form of imperialism has killed way more than any takfiri terrorist group has so far.

And no, it's not the "major Muslim nations" that are promoting takfiri extremist views. The largest Muslim populated nation in the world is in fact Indonesia. Aside from Saudi Arabia and its cronies, and to a lesser extent Pakistan, there are as good as no Muslim nationas that promote takfirism. Many, such as Iran, Iraq, Syria and others are even actively fighting against it.

Yeah and indonesia did more commie killings than even the most dedicated wahhabists

[Untaroicht]

ISIS has threatened to cut the tongues out of anyone who calls it Daesh, so I do it just to spite them

I call them "The Islamic State" or "The Caliphate" just to piss off liberals who shriek that they're not islamic in any way.

[Benuty]

ISIS has threatened to cut the tongues out of anyone who calls it Daesh, so I do it just to spite them

I call them "The Islamic State" or "The Caliphate" just to piss off liberals who shriek that they're not islamic in any way.

Not enough Rashidun.

[Ardoki]

I call them 'Islamic State' as that is the name they identify as, and it would cause confusement and be rude to call them anything bu their official name.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I call them 'Islamic State' as that is the name they identify as, and it would cause confusement and be rude to call them anything bu their official name.

Who in their right mind would care about being rude to Daesh?

They deserve no respect.

[Ardoki]

I call them 'Islamic State' as that is the name they identify as, and it would cause confusement and be rude to call them anything bu their official name.

Who in their right mind would care about being rude to Daesh?

They deserve no respect.

Political nicknaming is a rule violation on this forum.

While I don't like IS, I will continue using their official name, as it is silly to use a name they don't recognise.

[Germanic Templars]

Who in their right mind would care about being rude to Daesh?

They deserve no respect.

Political nicknaming is a rule violation on this forum.

While I don't like IS, I will continue using their official name, as it is silly to use a name they don't recognise.

Daesh is hardly political nicknaming since it is more of a true statement of the abhorrent group and the actions they carry out. In fact, I doubt they are Islamic and it is laughable to call them a state at all, especially since they have been losing land rather quickly. So calling them IS(IS/IL) is giving them more credit than they deserve.

[Ardoki]

Political nicknaming is a rule violation on this forum.

While I don't like IS, I will continue using their official name, as it is silly to use a name they don't recognise.

Daesh is hardly political nicknaming since it is more of a true statement of the abhorrent group and the actions they carry out. In fact, I doubt they are Islamic and it is laughable to call them a state at all, especially since they have been losing land rather quickly. So calling them IS(IS/IL) is giving them more credit than they deserve.

It's there official name, so it should be used.

I for one do not think of the Australian Liberal Party as Liberal, however that is it's name and I use it.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Daesh is hardly political nicknaming since it is more of a true statement of the abhorrent group and the actions they carry out. In fact, I doubt they are Islamic and it is laughable to call them a state at all, especially since they have been losing land rather quickly. So calling them IS(IS/IL) is giving them more credit than they deserve.

It's there official name, so it should be used.

I for one do not think of the Australian Liberal Party as Liberal, however that is it's name and I use it.

Daesh is an internationally recognized acronym referring to ISIS

[Imperial City-States]

You know, instead of sending Military forces. The Western World should put a bounty out for each ISIS scalp.

[The Romulan Republic]

Leaving aside the twisted barbarism of that suggestion which I suspect you made simply to satisfy your own vindictive bloodlust, how would you tell that a scalp was from an IS member and not some random person the bounty hunter killed for cash?

In other words, this isn't a movie and it isn't the distant past. It is the 21st. century and something a little more sophisticated is required.

[Imperial City-States]

Leaving aside the twisted barbarism of that suggestion which I suspect you made simply to satisfy your own vindictive bloodlust, how would you tell that a scalp was from an IS member and not some random person the bounty hunter killed for cash?

In other words, this isn't a movie and it isn't the distant past. It is the 21st. century and something a little more sophisticated is required.

Was said more with more humorous intent than anything else, In a more serious suggestion. The West should be supporting the small Private groups that are traveling to the Middle East to fight ISIS. Weapons, Ammunition, simple stuff.

[The Alma Mater]

Leaving aside the twisted barbarism of that suggestion which I suspect you made simply to satisfy your own vindictive bloodlust, how would you tell that a scalp was from an IS member and not some random person the bounty hunter killed for cash?

In other words, this isn't a movie and it isn't the distant past. It is the 21st. century and something a little more sophisticated is required.

Was said more with more humorous intent than anything else, In a more serious suggestion. The West should be supporting the small Private groups that are traveling to the Middle East to fight ISIS. Weapons, Ammunition, simple stuff.

Yes, let us encourage and equip random individuals to kill foreign people. Excellent idea. What could possibly be morally questionable about that ?

[Imperial City-States]

Was said more with more humorous intent than anything else, In a more serious suggestion. The West should be supporting the small Private groups that are traveling to the Middle East to fight ISIS. Weapons, Ammunition, simple stuff.

Yes, let us encourage and equip random individuals to kill foreign people. Excellent idea. What could possibly be morally questionable about that ?

*Yes, let us encourage and equip specific individuals to kill foreign terrorist. Excellent idea. What could possibly be morally questionable about that?


You have people who are willing to fight Extremist that the West isn't willing to militarily commit to on a large scale. Let em.

[Ardoki]

It's there official name, so it should be used.

I for one do not think of the Australian Liberal Party as Liberal, however that is it's name and I use it.

Daesh is an internationally recognized acronym referring to ISIS

But if IS doesn't recognise it, it makes no sense referring to them as it.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Daesh is an internationally recognized acronym referring to ISIS

But if IS doesn't recognise it, it makes no sense referring to them as it.

Again, who gives a shit if they recognize it or not?

[Saiwania]

Daesh is an internationally recognized acronym referring to ISIS

It isn't an acronym and is more of a derogatory term because it isn't an abbreviation. One reason why I don't use Daesh when referring to IS is because I don't use Arabic on any regular basis. I don't feel the need to mock IS more than necessary when I can let their failures on the battlefield and at governing speak for itself.

[Ardoki]

But if IS doesn't recognise it, it makes no sense referring to them as it.

Again, who gives a shit if they recognize it or not?

How can you enter negotiations o diplomacy with them, if you use a derogatory term they won't recognise.

[Jamzmania]

Daesh is an internationally recognized acronym referring to ISIS

It isn't an acronym and is more of a derogatory term because it isn't an abbreviation. One reason why I don't use Daesh when referring to IS is because I don't use Arabic on any regular basis. I don't feel the need to mock IS more than necessary when I can let their failures on the battlefield and at governing speak for itself.

Yeah, that whole "conquering a third of Syria and Iraq" thing and holding that territory against both the Iraqi and Syrian armies with US air support (and a minimal amount, at that) really demonstrates their failures on the battlefield. Oh, and those failures at governing? You're referring to their constant massacres, senseless killings, and persecution of Christians and other religious minorities, perhaps?

It's shameful that they were ever allowed to become as strong as they are and that we are doing so little to destroy them.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Again, who gives a shit if they recognize it or not?

How can you enter negotiations o diplomacy with them, if you use a derogatory term they won't recognise.

We don't want to enter negotiations or diplomacy with them.

[Ardoki]

How can you enter negotiations o diplomacy with them, if you use a derogatory term they won't recognise.

We don't want to enter negotiations or diplomacy with them.

Diplomacy and reason should always be preferred over war and violence!

[Washington Resistance Army]

We don't want to enter negotiations or diplomacy with them.

Diplomacy and reason should always be preferred over war and violence!

Uh huh, you can think that all you want but that won't change the fact that Daesh has no interest in anything besides killing everyone they don't like and destroying anything they deem un-Islamic. If anything we should step up our bombing campaign and put more pressure on them.

[Connori Pilgrims]

We don't want to enter negotiations or diplomacy with them.

Diplomacy and reason should always be preferred over war and violence!

WAHAHAHAHA.

Someone's being a tad too naive, delusional and idealistic for their own good...

In any event its not up to the West, UN, Russia, China or the non-Middle East nations to negotiate anything with Daesh. Its the countries and factions who are directly engaged with them (i.e. Syria, Iraq, Jordan, Turkey, Iran and the various non-state groups) that will have to make that call... and frankly I don't see that happening.

[Kubra]

Diplomacy and reason should always be preferred over war and violence!

WAHAHAHAHA.

Someone's being a tad too naive, delusional and idealistic for their own good...

He's not wrong
Do you know how much war costs? Idgaf about human cost, though that's pretty high, but have you seen how much this shit costs in dollars?

[Saiwania]

Oh, and those failures at governing? You're referring to their constant massacres, senseless killings, and persecution of Christians and other religious minorities, perhaps? It's shameful that they were ever allowed to become as strong as they are and that we are doing so little to destroy them.

I'm referring more to the fact that living conditions within Islamic State territory are becoming unbearable and the residents are deserting at every turn, they don't really have a choice because IS has extracted all the tribute they could but civilians have almost nothing left to give to satisfy any future IS demands whilst they are increasingly being deprived of needed services because the economy and infrastructure is in a free fall. I've read that the water has become undrinkable for Mosul because chlorine supplies have run out. Prices for basic goods are soaring and medicine is now scarce. Disease is spreading because sanitation has collapsed while schools aren't functioning. As conditions deteriorate, morale will keep plummeting and there will be more infighting and defections until IS implodes in on itself.