Islamic State Crisis Megathread (ISIS/ISIL/IS)

[Costa Fierro]

Even if they do conquer their territory. No country will recognise them, they will have no loans, trade or supplies from other countries, and they would be invaded quickly. They wouldn't be able to survive.

That is a good thing. We don't want these people to survive.

[Ardoki]

Even if they do conquer their territory. No country will recognise them, they will have no loans, trade or supplies from other countries, and they would be invaded quickly. They wouldn't be able to survive.

That is a good thing. We don't want these people to survive.

I also think it is a good thing.

Though I don't understand how Islamic State doesn't realise this.

[Costa Fierro]

That is a good thing. We don't want these people to survive.

I also think it is a good thing.

Though I don't understand how Islamic State doesn't realise this.

Because they're crazy?

[The Romulan Republic]

Religious fanaticism and hate can do a lot to override some peoples' reason.

[Alsheb]

The attack on Yemen is certainly just that.

And what does Yemen have in terms of easily exploitable natural resources? The most obvious is oil, and even then, it's not that much. Proven reserves are 4 billion barrels and at current production levels, are expected to run out in the next nine years. Not to mention output from the older fields is falling and revenue is decreasing and will decrease until the fields are dry.

So unless Saudi Arabia is after Yemen's cotton and mango plantations, natural resources are not one of the reasons for the Saudi intervention.

Imperialism is not only about the immediate resources that can be taken. An important part of modern imperialism is also control. Afghanistan had very little in the way of resources. Didn't stop the US invasion, since the country was strategically positioned close to both China and Iran. Syria's case was the same back when the West still supported the Syrian rebels: it's not a resource-rich country, but it's useful to take out because of strategic reasons.
In the case of Yemen, the Saudis want to reassert their control over the Peninsula as much as they can. Access to the Indian Ocean and improved control of the Red Sea is a plus for them as well. Add to that their hatred of anything that isn't Salafist or Wahhabi Sunni, and yeah.

[Costa Fierro]

Afghanistan had very little in the way of resources. Didn't stop the US invasion, since the country was strategically positioned close to both China and Iran.

And yet, ISAF forces are withdrawing from Afghanistan? I thought the idea was about control, so why withdraw from a country if you intend on controlling it?

Also, you agreed that the invasion was about controlling resources. I said that Yemen didn't have any resources worth controlling. You then said "ah, but it just isn't about control of resources" when you agreed it was.

[Laanvia]

Because the establishment of a fundamentalist Islamic caliphate that makes Saudi Arabia look like Sweden can only be achieved by living in peace and harmony, right?

Human rights and diplomacy are not something ISIL is interested in. They're only interested in waging war against the infidels and eradicating anything that they perceive to be "un-Islamic". Christian? You're dead. Homosexual? Dead. Wrong kind of Muslim? Dead. Atheist? Dead. Had extra-martial rumpy-pumpy? Dead.

Even if they do conquer their territory. No country will recognise them, they will have no loans, trade or supplies from other countries, and they would be invaded quickly. They wouldn't be able to survive.

No, they wouldn't. They'd just sit there, stagnating whilst they receive hardly any aid (Except from a few Saudis), and performing the occasional military parade in which they show off their Toyota trucks and outdated missiles, and also still claim that they have a missile "Capable of reaching New York (I think it's NYC, anyway)".

I genuinely think that they're deluded and actually believe what their pig of a leader says.

[The Second Emmanuel]

There certainly are some evil people in this world. I don't want to go off on a rant about Islam, I just think that for a religion that supposedly promotes peace there seems to be a lot of these types of militant groups popping up.

[Organized States]

Afghanistan had very little in the way of resources. Didn't stop the US invasion, since the country was strategically positioned close to both China and Iran.

And yet, ISAF forces are withdrawing from Afghanistan? I thought the idea was about control, so why withdraw from a country if you intend on controlling it?

Also, you agreed that the invasion was about controlling resources. I said that Yemen didn't have any resources worth controlling. You then said "ah, but it just isn't about control of resources" when you agreed it was.

Or the fact that the Chinese were actually cooperative in certain efforts along the border to stop Poppy smuggling and flow of religious extremists.

[Alsheb]

Afghanistan had very little in the way of resources. Didn't stop the US invasion, since the country was strategically positioned close to both China and Iran.

And yet, ISAF forces are withdrawing from Afghanistan? I thought the idea was about control, so why withdraw from a country if you intend on controlling it?

Also, you agreed that the invasion was about controlling resources. I said that Yemen didn't have any resources worth controlling. You then said "ah, but it just isn't about control of resources" when you agreed it was.

The control of Afghanistan has been established already, there's little need for the ISAF to stay and further risk the lives of their soldiers. The Afghan government is a very weak one and is in fact little more than a puppet regime that is entirely dependent on the West. The ISAF withdrawal is by no means an end to imperialism in Afganistan.

About the second point you raise, you're right that I didn't make my point clear from the beginning. Apologies.

[Alsheb]

And yet, ISAF forces are withdrawing from Afghanistan? I thought the idea was about control, so why withdraw from a country if you intend on controlling it?

Also, you agreed that the invasion was about controlling resources. I said that Yemen didn't have any resources worth controlling. You then said "ah, but it just isn't about control of resources" when you agreed it was.

Or the fact that the Chinese were actually cooperative in certain efforts along the border to stop Poppy smuggling and flow of religious extremists.

Along the border, yes. But China wasn't the one that went in and overthrew the government.

[New Jordslag]

There certainly are some evil people in this world. I don't want to go off on a rant about Islam, I just think that for a religion that supposedly promotes peace there seems to be a lot of these types of militant groups popping up.

The same could be said about Christianity. It all depends on how people interpret the Bible and the Koran; bad people will interpret them in bad ways.

[Salus Maior]

There certainly are some evil people in this world. I don't want to go off on a rant about Islam, I just think that for a religion that supposedly promotes peace there seems to be a lot of these types of militant groups popping up.

The same could be said about Christianity. It all depends on how people interpret the Bible and the Koran; bad people will interpret them in bad ways.

Christianity and Islam are not the same. And also, how many Christian-based militants have been popping up lately as compared to Islam? Far fewer and much less destructive.

I'm not saying that all Muslims or even the majority of Muslims are prone to violence, but right now the major Muslim nations are literally promoting hateful and radical views (Wahhabism) and that is more likely the cause than anything else.

[New Jordslag]

The same could be said about Christianity. It all depends on how people interpret the Bible and the Koran; bad people will interpret them in bad ways.

Christianity and Islam are not the same. And also, how many Christian-based militants have been popping up lately as compared to Islam? Far fewer and much less destructive.

I'm not saying that all Muslims or even the majority of Muslims are prone to violence, but right now the major Muslim nations are literally promoting hateful and radical views (Wahhabism) and that is more likely the cause than anything else.

Some of the major muslim nations. Not all major ones promote wahhabism, or even a destructive ideology.

But yes. There are more Muslim Militant groups than Christian groups. This does not mean, however, that there are not plenty of militants in Christianity, too. So if anybody wants to make fun of Islam for calling itself the religion of peace despite numerous militants, try to remember all the Militant Christian Groups causing trouble in the world.

[Salus Maior]

Christianity and Islam are not the same. And also, how many Christian-based militants have been popping up lately as compared to Islam? Far fewer and much less destructive.

I'm not saying that all Muslims or even the majority of Muslims are prone to violence, but right now the major Muslim nations are literally promoting hateful and radical views (Wahhabism) and that is more likely the cause than anything else.

Some of the major muslim nations. Not all promote wahhabism, or even a destructive ideology.

But yes. There are more Muslim Militant groups than Christian groups. This does not mean, however, that there are not plenty of militants in Christianity, too. So if anybody wants to make fun of Islam for calling itself the religion of peace despite numerous militants, try to remember all the Radical Christian Groups in the world.

Yes, but considering the major proponent of Wahhabism is the center of Islam (Saudi Arabia), it's still a matter of major concern.

I can think of 2. One that still actually does anything, and it's in India where there's loads of religious strife on all sides.

[New Jordslag]

Some of the major muslim nations. Not all promote wahhabism, or even a destructive ideology.

But yes. There are more Muslim Militant groups than Christian groups. This does not mean, however, that there are not plenty of militants in Christianity, too. So if anybody wants to make fun of Islam for calling itself the religion of peace despite numerous militants, try to remember all the Radical Christian Groups in the world.

Yes, but considering the major proponent of Wahhabism is the center of Islam (Saudi Arabia), it's still a matter of major concern.

I can think of 2. One that still actually does anything, and it's in India where there's loads of religious strife on all sides.

There's also the LRA, who claim to be Christian. They still occasionally launch raids at opposing forces, although all real warfare is gone. There's also the Anti-Balaka, a group of mainly-Christian Militias who fight the mainly-Muslim Government in the Central African Republic while committing war crimes.

[Salus Maior]

Yes, but considering the major proponent of Wahhabism is the center of Islam (Saudi Arabia), it's still a matter of major concern.

I can think of 2. One that still actually does anything, and it's in India where there's loads of religious strife on all sides.

There's also the LRA, who claim to be Christian. They still occasionally launch raids at opposing forces, although all real warfare is gone. There's also the Anti-Balaka, a group of mainly-Christian Militias who fight the mainly-Muslim Government in the Central African Republic while committing war crimes.

LRA? Where are they from?

Also, it should be noted that said groups are limited to their region. Whereas Islamic groups do that, AND advocate and encourage attacks in other countries. Like the U.S for example.

[Alsheb]

The same could be said about Christianity. It all depends on how people interpret the Bible and the Koran; bad people will interpret them in bad ways.

Christianity and Islam are not the same. And also, how many Christian-based militants have been popping up lately as compared to Islam? Far fewer and much less destructive.

I'm not saying that all Muslims or even the majority of Muslims are prone to violence, but right now the major Muslim nations are literally promoting hateful and radical views (Wahhabism) and that is more likely the cause than anything else.

The entire concept of American imperialism is drenched in Christain conservatism and supremacism. And that form of imperialism has killed way more than any takfiri terrorist group has so far.

And no, it's not the "major Muslim nations" that are promoting takfiri extremist views. The largest Muslim populated nation in the world is in fact Indonesia. Aside from Saudi Arabia and its cronies, and to a lesser extent Pakistan, there are as good as no Muslim nationas that promote takfirism. Many, such as Iran, Iraq, Syria and others are even actively fighting against it.

[Alsheb]

There's also the LRA, who claim to be Christian. They still occasionally launch raids at opposing forces, although all real warfare is gone. There's also the Anti-Balaka, a group of mainly-Christian Militias who fight the mainly-Muslim Government in the Central African Republic while committing war crimes.

LRA? Where are they from?

Also, it should be noted that said groups are limited to their region. Whereas Islamic groups do that, AND advocate and encourage attacks in other countries. Like the U.S for example.

The LRA is from Uganda. And one of the bloodiest terrorist groups of the last decades, as a manner of fact.

[Salus Maior]

Christianity and Islam are not the same. And also, how many Christian-based militants have been popping up lately as compared to Islam? Far fewer and much less destructive.

I'm not saying that all Muslims or even the majority of Muslims are prone to violence, but right now the major Muslim nations are literally promoting hateful and radical views (Wahhabism) and that is more likely the cause than anything else.

The entire concept of American imperialism is drenched in Christain conservatism and supremacism. And that form of imperialism has killed way more than any takfiri terrorist group has so far.

And no, it's not the "major Muslim nations" that are promoting takfiri extremist views. The largest Muslim populated nation in the world is in fact Indonesia. Aside from Saudi Arabia and its cronies, and to a lesser extent Pakistan, there are as good as no Muslim nationas that promote takfirism. Many, such as Iran, Iraq, Syria and others are even actively fighting against it.

American Imperialism is less "Christian" and more Social Darwinism. The line of thought is: "We're an advanced nation with an emphasis on FREEDOM WOOOOO *fires weapons into the air* oh look, that country isn't free (or rather, not doing our version of freedom), let's set that nation on the right path by setting up a govt like ours (which would also extend our own strength). What could go wrong?" And anyhow, last I checked we haven't been conducting forced conversions to any faith or persecuting peoples of any certain faith in the nations we occupy. To attach the word "Christian" to what my country does in foreign policy is misinformed.

That does not mean the propagation of Wahhabi ideas by Saudi Arabia and it's cronies is not having a negative effect on Muslims worldwide.

The LRA is from Uganda. And one of the bloodiest terrorist groups of the last decades, as a manner of fact.

And I suppose they export their terrorism to other countries as well?

[New Jordslag]

The entire concept of American imperialism is drenched in Christain conservatism and supremacism. And that form of imperialism has killed way more than any takfiri terrorist group has so far.

And no, it's not the "major Muslim nations" that are promoting takfiri extremist views. The largest Muslim populated nation in the world is in fact Indonesia. Aside from Saudi Arabia and its cronies, and to a lesser extent Pakistan, there are as good as no Muslim nationas that promote takfirism. Many, such as Iran, Iraq, Syria and others are even actively fighting against it.

American Imperialism is less "Christian" and more Social Darwinism. The line of thought is: "We're an advanced nation with an emphasis on FREEDOM WOOOOO *fires weapons into the air* oh look, that country isn't free (or rather, not doing our version of freedom), let's set that nation on the right path by setting up a govt like ours (which would also extend our own strength). What could go wrong?" And anyhow, last I checked we haven't been conducting forced conversions to any faith or persecuting peoples of any certain faith in the nations we occupy. To attach the word "Christian" to what my country does in foreign policy is misinformed.

That does not mean the propagation of Wahhabi ideas by Saudi Arabia and it's cronies is not having a negative effect on Muslims worldwide.

I'm with you there.

The LRA is from Uganda. And one of the bloodiest terrorist groups of the last decades, as a manner of fact.

And I suppose they export their terrorism to other countries as well?

Yes. The LRA has attacked the CRA, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, South Sudan, and Kenya.

[FutureAmerica]

The proper name for ISIS is Daesh, as in Daesh Bag. Stop using ISIS.

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

The proper name for ISIS is Daesh, as in Daesh Bag. Stop using ISIS.

no

[Socialist Czechia]

The proper name for ISIS is Daesh, as in Daesh Bag. Stop using ISIS.

Why not Caliphate as they want, in fact?

Previous ones were also based on religious conquests, massacres and mayhem. Especially Ottoman Caliphate.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

ISIS has threatened to cut the tongues out of anyone who calls it Daesh, so I do it just to spite them