Islamic State Crisis Megathread (ISIS/ISIL/IS)

[Seraven]

Am I alone in wondering if a lot of Islamism is simply cover for a capitalist grab to control resources by Saudis looking at the future?

Perhaps.

Perhaps not.

[Alsheb]

Am I alone in wondering if a lot of Islamism is simply cover for a capitalist grab to control resources by Saudis looking at the future?

The attack on Yemen is certainly just that.

[Alsheb]

New reports are coming in stating that the Daesh takeover of the Palestinian refugee camp close to Damascus was carried out by a joint offensive of both Daesh and the Al-Nusra Front. So far for the claim that the "good" takfiri rebels are fighting against Deash...

Funny detail: the newspapers here actually reported: "Why Al-Nusra, which is affiliated with Al Qaeda, would do such a thing is unknown".
Yeah, because who would have thought that Al Qaeda would turn out to be the bad guys, right? It has come so far nowadays that we suddenly pretend Al Qaeda is a normal everyday organisation...

[Bulrosia]

New reports are coming in stating that the Daesh takeover of the Palestinian refugee camp close to Damascus was carried out by a joint offensive of both Daesh and the Al-Nusra Front. So far for the claim that the "good" takfiri rebels are fighting against Deash...

Funny detail: the newspapers here actually reported: "Why Al-Nusra, which is affiliated with Al Qaeda, would do such a thing is unknown".
Yeah, because who would have thought that Al Qaeda would turn out to be the bad guys, right? It has come so far nowadays that we suddenly pretend Al Qaeda is a normal everyday organisation...

I feel that Al Qaeda is pretty pissed off that their global dominance of being the one of the most feared terrorist organisations has been taken from them by ISIL. It seems that in recent times, AQ has tried to expand operations into the Indian subcontinent and Pakistan by attempting to do shit like this;

http://www.wsj.com/articles/al-qaeda-mi ... 1410884514

I could never foresee how a bunch of untrained men with 40 year old Chinese AKs could ever seize a Pakistani frigate. It seems AQ is now the goofy failure of the Islamic terrorist organisation. If they've done anything good ever, at least they distanced themselves and condemned ISIL.

[West Aurelia]

The women fighting IS.

[Imperial City-States]

New reports are coming in stating that the Daesh takeover of the Palestinian refugee camp close to Damascus was carried out by a joint offensive of both Daesh and the Al-Nusra Front. So far for the claim that the "good" takfiri rebels are fighting against Deash...

Funny detail: the newspapers here actually reported: "Why Al-Nusra, which is affiliated with Al Qaeda, would do such a thing is unknown".
Yeah, because who would have thought that Al Qaeda would turn out to be the bad guys, right? It has come so far nowadays that we suddenly pretend Al Qaeda is a normal everyday organisation...

I feel that Al Qaeda is pretty pissed off that their global dominance of being the one of the most feared terrorist organisations has been taken from them by ISIL. It seems that in recent times, AQ has tried to expand operations into the Indian subcontinent and Pakistan by attempting to do shit like this;

http://www.wsj.com/articles/al-qaeda-mi ... 1410884514

I could never foresee how a bunch of untrained men with 40 year old Chinese AKs could ever seize a Pakistani frigate. It seems AQ is now the goofy failure of the Islamic terrorist organisation. If they've done anything good ever, at least they distanced themselves and condemned ISIL.

Well you typically lose standing when a Super Power decides to boot in the front door and deliver revenge right into your fourth point of contact. In my humble opinion, one of the reasons ISIS/ISIL became so prominent as the result of the power void that was left behind when AQ and the Taliban were left decimated.

[New Jordslag]

If the ISIS falls than I will continue to support the Sunni Thawrat(Revolution) in Iraq and Syria. Now how about we talks about Hassan of Hizb'illah,The Ayatollah of Iran,Nouri's dictatorship,Assad's tyranny,and the corrupt dispicable king of Jordan. Who is just copying the example of the Iranian shah and Atturk in 1921 and dishonoring the Hussieni family and Banu Quryash. Assad,The Iranians,Nouri,and Hizb'illah are bigger terrorists than ISIS. Assad's "men" in Shabiha have raped,murdered,maimed,robed hundreds if not thousands of specifically Sunni Syrians which is even on Wikipedia. And now let's look at the infamous "resistance" of Hizb'illah who has only dragged Lebanon into unessicary wars and failed to comply with the UN. The Hizb has also exported and produced Shisha and worked with drug dealers in Latin America. While their men drive around in BMW x series and Mercedes Benz getting Mut'ah from the Hizb'illah rallies and this ring of Hizb,Assad,and Iran have produced chemical WMDs and used it on it's own people and Hizb'illah does the same thing you said ISIS does when they "defend" their land they just take over and reap havock and chaos. And it is the pledge of the Islamic revolutionaries in Iraq and the Levant to remind the oppressors who's land,who's rights,who's religion,who's honor,who's people it is.

How is Abdullah dishonoring the Husseini family? He did more for his country than Saddam Hussein ever did.

The Iranians are not bigger terrorists than ISIS. Iran may desecrate Sunni Communities and be a De Facto Dictatorship, but unlike ISIS, they know when to back off. They know when to stop making enemies. They know when to stop committing crimes. ISIS does not. They commit crimes as they please, and have made a long list of enemies dead set on enacting righteous justice on them.

Also, many of your so called 'heroes' work in the drug trade, so so much for that.

I am also no particular Fan of Hezbollah, but if you wish to bring them up, so be it. Shall I bring up ISIS's threatening of NATO members and execution of Christians? ISIS seeks to reform an Islamic empire that collapsed long ago, and will kill any non-Muslims in their way, logic be damned. They won't succeed, of course. But ISIS doesn't just want to defend Sunni lands. They want to destroy Shia Islam, Christianity, and all the rest, and put the world under Sharia Law. Pretty sure the entire world is not 'Sunni Land.'

[Gauthier]

If the ISIS falls than I will continue to support the Sunni Thawrat(Revolution) in Iraq and Syria. Now how about we talks about Hassan of Hizb'illah,The Ayatollah of Iran,Nouri's dictatorship,Assad's tyranny,and the corrupt dispicable king of Jordan. Who is just copying the example of the Iranian shah and Atturk in 1921 and dishonoring the Hussieni family and Banu Quryash. Assad,The Iranians,Nouri,and Hizb'illah are bigger terrorists than ISIS. Assad's "men" in Shabiha have raped,murdered,maimed,robed hundreds if not thousands of specifically Sunni Syrians which is even on Wikipedia. And now let's look at the infamous "resistance" of Hizb'illah who has only dragged Lebanon into unessicary wars and failed to comply with the UN. The Hizb has also exported and produced Shisha and worked with drug dealers in Latin America. While their men drive around in BMW x series and Mercedes Benz getting Mut'ah from the Hizb'illah rallies and this ring of Hizb,Assad,and Iran have produced chemical WMDs and used it on it's own people and Hizb'illah does the same thing you said ISIS does when they "defend" their land they just take over and reap havock and chaos. And it is the pledge of the Islamic revolutionaries in Iraq and the Levant to remind the oppressors who's land,who's rights,who's religion,who's honor,who's people it is.

How is Abdullah dishonoring the Husseini family? He did more for his country than Saddam Hussein ever did.

The Iranians are not bigger terrorists than ISIS. Iran may desecrate Sunni Communities and be a De Facto Dictatorship, but unlike ISIS, they know when to back off. They know when to stop making enemies. They know when to stop committing crimes. ISIS does not. They commit crimes as they please, and have made a long list of enemies dead set on enacting righteous justice on them.

Also, many of your so called 'heroes' work in the drug trade, so so much for that.

I am also no particular Fan of Hezbollah, but if you wish to bring them up, so be it. Shall I bring up ISIS's threatening of NATO members and execution of Christians? ISIS seeks to reform an Islamic empire that collapsed long ago, and will kill any non-Muslims in their way, logic be damned. They won't succeed, of course. But ISIS doesn't just want to defend Sunni lands. They want to destroy Shia Islam, Christianity, and all the rest, and put the world under Sharia Law. Pretty sure the entire world is not 'Sunni Land.'

"This DoStroll account has been disconnected."

[Commonwealth of Hank the Cat]

I..saw a fan-made ISIS Hetalia Character the other day. Isn't it kind of a rule that all ISIS personifications should have machetes with blood on them? He had like a..torch.

Whenever I think of ISIS, I'm just amazed that there is actually a rule in Al-ueada had a rule against being to violent. They were "Kicked out" of Al-Ueada for being too violent. It's good to see that Al-ueda makes sure that no one gets TOO violent. Is that seriously a rule?

"How dare you behead people who aren't Muslim!" "Don't you know we're sort of peaceful?!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHEVqa8-5xA

This video is apparently the ISIS video attempting to recruit Canadians. I'm glad that ISIS is showing it's not discriminatory against anyone- Oh, wait...

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

I..saw a fan-made ISIS Hetalia Character the other day. Isn't it kind of a rule that all ISIS personifications should have machetes with blood on them? He had like a..torch.

They were "Kicked out" of Al-Ueada for being too violent.

Al Ueada?

[Imperial City-States]

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/12/us/disenchanted-by-civilian-life-veterans-volunteer-to-fight-isis.html?_r=0
http://www.pri.org/stories/2015-03-13/american-veterans-choose-head-back-iraq-fight-against-isis
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2015/03/13/military-veterans-head-to-iraq-to-fight-isis-n1970545

So as of recent there have been increasing numbers of former American servicemen who are actually returning to Iraq to fight with the Kurds against ISIS. Now there is a bit of controversy as to the legality of this action and the fact that it could really be considered murder if the circumstances weren't they way they are. So what do all of you think about American Veterans fighting with the Kurds against ISIS?

So as one could likely guess from my Sig i may be a little bit biased as far as what comes next. Personally i think this is a good thing, wither or not you agree with the premise behind the Iraq/Afghanistan wars we all know that American troops for the most part have experience with the war. I personally believe that one of the big kickers is the training that can be provided. For as much heart that the Kurds have, they are not professional soldiers and lack the sort of cohesion that a professional unit would possess. So i think that having actual professional troops there and (presumably) training Kurdish forces as well as fighting along side them is one of the few ways that ISIS can be defeated in Iraq. The Iraqi Army for all intensive purposes, is shit. Not for a lack of equipment or training but rather a lack of will and poor leadership. Now one of the more controversial aspects is that country's are arresting individuals who go to fight for ISIS, but are not doing so for those who are going to fight against ISIS. I personally don't really have a problem with this but i can see the legality issues present.

Long story short, I think that the intervention of private Western Groups such as the Dutch Biker Gang as well as American Military Veterans (Really any Military Veterans from Western Army's) is the only way that Kurdish forces have a significant chance in defeating ISIS as the Iraqi Army has shown their incompetence on a great many levels and it seems (to me at least) that the Kurds are the only ones with the will to actually fight.

[United Marxist Nations]

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/12/us/disenchanted-by-civilian-life-veterans-volunteer-to-fight-isis.html?_r=0
http://www.pri.org/stories/2015-03-13/american-veterans-choose-head-back-iraq-fight-against-isis
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2015/03/13/military-veterans-head-to-iraq-to-fight-isis-n1970545

So as of recent there have been increasing numbers of former American servicemen who are actually returning to Iraq to fight with the Kurds against ISIS. Now there is a bit of controversy as to the legality of this action and the fact that it could really be considered murder if the circumstances weren't they way they are. So what do all of you think about American Veterans fighting with the Kurds against ISIS?

So as one could likely guess from my Sig i may be a little bit biased as far as what comes next. Personally i think this is a good thing, wither or not you agree with the premise behind the Iraq/Afghanistan wars we all know that American troops for the most part have experience with the war. I personally believe that one of the big kickers is the training that can be provided. For as much heart that the Kurds have, they are not professional soldiers and lack the sort of cohesion that a professional unit would possess. So i think that having actual professional troops there and (presumably) training Kurdish forces as well as fighting along side them is one of the few ways that ISIS can be defeated in Iraq. The Iraqi Army for all intensive purposes, is shit. Not for a lack of equipment or training but rather a lack of will and poor leadership. Now one of the more controversial aspects is that country's are arresting individuals who go to fight for ISIS, but are not doing so for those who are going to fight against ISIS. I personally don't really have a problem with this but i can see the legality issues present.

Long story short, I think that the intervention of private Western Groups such as the Dutch Biker Gang as well as American Military Veterans (Really any Military Veterans from Western Army's) is the only way that Kurdish forces have a significant chance in defeating ISIS as the Iraqi Army has shown their incompetence on a great many levels and it seems (to me at least) that the Kurds are the only ones with the will to actually fight.

I more prefer veterans of the Iraq War going to volunteer to fight, because they have experience with weapons and experience inside the culture. Random guys going could cause problems. That said, if people inside a country who are maybe immigrants from a country with similar culture and speak the language, and they want to go fight with the Iraqi Army or the Peshmerga against Daesh, then I think the governments should be willing to help them in such an endeavor.

[New Jordslag]

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/12/us/disenchanted-by-civilian-life-veterans-volunteer-to-fight-isis.html?_r=0
http://www.pri.org/stories/2015-03-13/american-veterans-choose-head-back-iraq-fight-against-isis
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2015/03/13/military-veterans-head-to-iraq-to-fight-isis-n1970545

So as of recent there have been increasing numbers of former American servicemen who are actually returning to Iraq to fight with the Kurds against ISIS. Now there is a bit of controversy as to the legality of this action and the fact that it could really be considered murder if the circumstances weren't they way they are. So what do all of you think about American Veterans fighting with the Kurds against ISIS?

So as one could likely guess from my Sig i may be a little bit biased as far as what comes next. Personally i think this is a good thing, wither or not you agree with the premise behind the Iraq/Afghanistan wars we all know that American troops for the most part have experience with the war. I personally believe that one of the big kickers is the training that can be provided. For as much heart that the Kurds have, they are not professional soldiers and lack the sort of cohesion that a professional unit would possess. So i think that having actual professional troops there and (presumably) training Kurdish forces as well as fighting along side them is one of the few ways that ISIS can be defeated in Iraq. The Iraqi Army for all intensive purposes, is shit. Not for a lack of equipment or training but rather a lack of will and poor leadership. Now one of the more controversial aspects is that country's are arresting individuals who go to fight for ISIS, but are not doing so for those who are going to fight against ISIS. I personally don't really have a problem with this but i can see the legality issues present.

Long story short, I think that the intervention of private Western Groups such as the Dutch Biker Gang as well as American Military Veterans (Really any Military Veterans from Western Army's) is the only way that Kurdish forces have a significant chance in defeating ISIS as the Iraqi Army has shown their incompetence on a great many levels and it seems (to me at least) that the Kurds are the only ones with the will to actually fight.

Good. Now let's start sending the Kurds heavy arms.

[Imperial City-States]

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/12/us/disenchanted-by-civilian-life-veterans-volunteer-to-fight-isis.html?_r=0
http://www.pri.org/stories/2015-03-13/american-veterans-choose-head-back-iraq-fight-against-isis
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2015/03/13/military-veterans-head-to-iraq-to-fight-isis-n1970545

So as of recent there have been increasing numbers of former American servicemen who are actually returning to Iraq to fight with the Kurds against ISIS. Now there is a bit of controversy as to the legality of this action and the fact that it could really be considered murder if the circumstances weren't they way they are. So what do all of you think about American Veterans fighting with the Kurds against ISIS?

So as one could likely guess from my Sig i may be a little bit biased as far as what comes next. Personally i think this is a good thing, wither or not you agree with the premise behind the Iraq/Afghanistan wars we all know that American troops for the most part have experience with the war. I personally believe that one of the big kickers is the training that can be provided. For as much heart that the Kurds have, they are not professional soldiers and lack the sort of cohesion that a professional unit would possess. So i think that having actual professional troops there and (presumably) training Kurdish forces as well as fighting along side them is one of the few ways that ISIS can be defeated in Iraq. The Iraqi Army for all intensive purposes, is shit. Not for a lack of equipment or training but rather a lack of will and poor leadership. Now one of the more controversial aspects is that country's are arresting individuals who go to fight for ISIS, but are not doing so for those who are going to fight against ISIS. I personally don't really have a problem with this but i can see the legality issues present.

Long story short, I think that the intervention of private Western Groups such as the Dutch Biker Gang as well as American Military Veterans (Really any Military Veterans from Western Army's) is the only way that Kurdish forces have a significant chance in defeating ISIS as the Iraqi Army has shown their incompetence on a great many levels and it seems (to me at least) that the Kurds are the only ones with the will to actually fight.

Good. Now let's start sending the Kurds heavy arms.

/sarcasm or legitimate comment?

I would be on board with this as long as 'Heavy Arms' was defined clearly.

[United Marxist Nations]

Good. Now let's start sending the Kurds heavy arms.

/sarcasm or legitimate comment?

I would be on board with this as long as 'Heavy Arms' was defined clearly.

Same here. Something like an Abrams takes high upkeep both in terms of parts, fuel, and training. Something more like an M60 "Patton" would be more useful to them; as would Soviet tanks from providers, as the Kurds already have experience on those platforms. The Iraqis are already receiving a lot more Abrams, so they will be entering the fight anyway. Some artillery would probably also be just as, if not more useful than tanks.

[Imperial City-States]

/sarcasm or legitimate comment?

I would be on board with this as long as 'Heavy Arms' was defined clearly.

Same here. Something like an Abrams takes high upkeep both in terms of parts, fuel, and training. Something more like an M60 "Patton" would be more useful to them; as would Soviet tanks from providers, as the Kurds already have experience on those platforms. The Iraqis are already receiving a lot more Abrams, so they will be entering the fight anyway. Some artillery would probably also be just as, if not more useful than tanks.

Actually, while tanks are certainly useful i think they'd get more mileage out of modern Anti-Tank weapons. Both your short ranged (300m I.E AT-4) bits and long ranged bits (TOW Missiles). Anything bigger starts becoming extremely expensive.

[United Marxist Nations]

Same here. Something like an Abrams takes high upkeep both in terms of parts, fuel, and training. Something more like an M60 "Patton" would be more useful to them; as would Soviet tanks from providers, as the Kurds already have experience on those platforms. The Iraqis are already receiving a lot more Abrams, so they will be entering the fight anyway. Some artillery would probably also be just as, if not more useful than tanks.

Actually, while tanks are certainly useful i think they'd get more mileage out of modern Anti-Tank weapons. Both your short ranged (300m I.E AT-4) bits and long ranged bits (TOW Missiles). Anything bigger starts becoming extremely expensive.

That is certainly possible, but I would think those would have limited use, as ISIS is rather short on tanks.

[New Jordslag]

/sarcasm or legitimate comment?

I would be on board with this as long as 'Heavy Arms' was defined clearly.

Same here. Something like an Abrams takes high upkeep both in terms of parts, fuel, and training. Something more like an M60 "Patton" would be more useful to them; as would Soviet tanks from providers, as the Kurds already have experience on those platforms. The Iraqis are already receiving a lot more Abrams, so they will be entering the fight anyway. Some artillery would probably also be just as, if not more useful than tanks.

What he said.

[Ardoki]

I don't like Islamic State, they need to work on their diplomacy and improve their human rights record.

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

I don't like Islamic State, they need to work on their diplomacy and improve their human rights record.

This legitimately made me laugh, I'll give you that.

[Ardoki]

I don't like Islamic State, they need to work on their diplomacy and improve their human rights record.

This legitimately made me laugh, I'll give you that.

Yeah, but seriously. They're never going to achieve their goals with their massive disregard of basic diplomacy and human rights. The entire world, including Al Quaeda, is against them. I can't believe they think they can take on the entire world.

[Costa Fierro]

Am I alone in wondering if a lot of Islamism is simply cover for a capitalist grab to control resources by Saudis looking at the future?

The attack on Yemen is certainly just that.

And what does Yemen have in terms of easily exploitable natural resources? The most obvious is oil, and even then, it's not that much. Proven reserves are 4 billion barrels and at current production levels, are expected to run out in the next nine years. Not to mention output from the older fields is falling and revenue is decreasing and will decrease until the fields are dry.

So unless Saudi Arabia is after Yemen's cotton and mango plantations, natural resources are not one of the reasons for the Saudi intervention.

[Washington Resistance Army]

/sarcasm or legitimate comment?

I would be on board with this as long as 'Heavy Arms' was defined clearly.

Same here. Something like an Abrams takes high upkeep both in terms of parts, fuel, and training. Something more like an M60 "Patton" would be more useful to them; as would Soviet tanks from providers, as the Kurds already have experience on those platforms. The Iraqis are already receiving a lot more Abrams, so they will be entering the fight anyway. Some artillery would probably also be just as, if not more useful than tanks.

We should give the Kurds an M65

[Costa Fierro]

This legitimately made me laugh, I'll give you that.

Yeah, but seriously. They're never going to achieve their goals with their massive disregard of basic diplomacy and human rights. The entire world, including Al Quaeda, is against them. I can't believe they think they can take on the entire world.

Because the establishment of a fundamentalist Islamic caliphate that makes Saudi Arabia look like Sweden can only be achieved by living in peace and harmony, right?

Human rights and diplomacy are not something ISIL is interested in. They're only interested in waging war against the infidels and eradicating anything that they perceive to be "un-Islamic". Christian? You're dead. Homosexual? Dead. Wrong kind of Muslim? Dead. Atheist? Dead. Had extra-martial rumpy-pumpy? Dead.

[Ardoki]

Yeah, but seriously. They're never going to achieve their goals with their massive disregard of basic diplomacy and human rights. The entire world, including Al Quaeda, is against them. I can't believe they think they can take on the entire world.

Because the establishment of a fundamentalist Islamic caliphate that makes Saudi Arabia look like Sweden can only be achieved by living in peace and harmony, right?

Human rights and diplomacy are not something ISIL is interested in. They're only interested in waging war against the infidels and eradicating anything that they perceive to be "un-Islamic". Christian? You're dead. Homosexual? Dead. Wrong kind of Muslim? Dead. Atheist? Dead. Had extra-martial rumpy-pumpy? Dead.

Even if they do conquer their territory. No country will recognise them, they will have no loans, trade or supplies from other countries, and they would be invaded quickly. They wouldn't be able to survive.