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Bulrosia
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Postby Bulrosia » Wed Apr 01, 2015 12:12 pm

Alsheb wrote:
Bulrosia wrote:Perhaps best said if this was against a modern military like Israel and even the Saudis, but Iraq and Syria? Syria always maintained a large military due to it's regional confrontation with Israel, but the civil war coupled with the rebels capturing some Syrian army equipment, and the Syrian army is not in it's golden age, shall we say.

The Iraqi army, despite huge money spent on new equipment since 2003, was simply a national armed police force, dealing with relatively low-level insurgency with aid from coalition forces. The rise of ISIL shown how dishonourable many Iraqi generals were by abandoning Mosul with few, if any, bullets fired. Many Iraqi soldiers simply signed up to get a regular pay check every month.

As for other nations, it is widely reported that many Jordanians, being a nation that is majority Sunni, support ISIL and its underlying ideals.

I personally disgusted at the whole Middle East. The Saudis Wahhabists (America's Jihad-supporting allies) are too busy bombing Shias in Yemen to put an end to ISIL, and by maintaining one of the largest defence budgets in the region, I believe they have the power to do so.


Which is the terrible truth about Saudi Arabia and the Gulf emirates. They don't care about the Arab people or about the prosperity of the Middle East. They care about their own wealth and influence alone. And the US encourages them.

Indeed. While I have no source for this, it seems that from the majority of Muslims I know personally, they all dislike Saudi Arabia.

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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Wed Apr 01, 2015 12:16 pm

The Klishi Islands wrote:
-United Islamic Emirates- wrote:I won't deny the fact ISIS has killed lots of non-combatant Kurds but I will denie any allegations of rape and sexual slavery and "sexual jihad" I will deny it no matter how many news sources you give.
1.Rape is Zina and in Shari'ah punishable by the death of an adultuer stoning and lashings
2.Sexual Jihad does not exist it is counted as Bid'ah(innovation) as this lie was most likely made by a munafiq(hypocrite)
3.Sexual Slavery is Forbiden in Islam as the prophet Muhammad(SAAWS) would realse slaves from the enemies such as the Ethiopians,Banu Quraydha,Persians etc. Look up Bilal he was a close friend of Muhammad and a former slave also Muhammad never owned slaves as he did love his wives very much so therefore this would be Bid'ah and Munafiqun(Hypocraciy)created by the Munafiqeen(Hypocrites).
And ISIS being an Islamic State would not break the Sunnah(tradition) of Islam an trade it for Bid'ah and Bid'ah is a crime in Islam that is punishable by death and adultery is forbidden so it would make no sense for ISIS to do any of this since the ranks of ISIS are religious Muslims.


You may deny it, but that's not gonna stop me from trying. Here's an assortment of sources, from the West, Russia, and Middle East.
If there are images on these sites that would not normally be allowed on NS, please let me know and I'll take them down.

International Business Times

Gateway Pundit

Al Jazeera

RT

CBS

CNN



given the nature and realities of what were discussing, i think this might have to be an exception to the rules.

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Postby The Klishi Islands » Wed Apr 01, 2015 12:20 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
The Klishi Islands wrote:
You may deny it, but that's not gonna stop me from trying. Here's an assortment of sources, from the West, Russia, and Middle East.
If there are images on these sites that would not normally be allowed on NS, please let me know and I'll take them down.

International Business Times

Gateway Pundit

Al Jazeera

RT

CBS

CNN



given the nature and realities of what were discussing, i think this might have to be an exception to the rules.


I did a check and there shouldn't be an issue. Frankly, I'll be surprised if UIE even responds though.
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Postby Bulrosia » Wed Apr 01, 2015 12:23 pm

The Klishi Islands wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:

given the nature and realities of what were discussing, i think this might have to be an exception to the rules.


I did a check and there shouldn't be an issue. Frankly, I'll be surprised if UIE even responds though.

If he does, I'm sure he'll rage! ;)

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Postby New Jordslag » Wed Apr 01, 2015 12:29 pm


Took 'em long enough. Now off to Mosul.
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New Jordslag wrote:Then we can have another New York. No such thing as too many New Yorks.


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Postby Alsheb » Wed Apr 01, 2015 12:35 pm

Bulrosia wrote:
Alsheb wrote:
Which is the terrible truth about Saudi Arabia and the Gulf emirates. They don't care about the Arab people or about the prosperity of the Middle East. They care about their own wealth and influence alone. And the US encourages them.

Indeed. While I have no source for this, it seems that from the majority of Muslims I know personally, they all dislike Saudi Arabia.


I am a Muslim myself, and I loathe Saudi Arabia and everything it stands for.
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Postby New Jordslag » Wed Apr 01, 2015 12:51 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Ganos Lao wrote:
I don't see Kurdish ISIS militants lasting long in Kurdish hands. They will no doubt share the fate of the Hanjian in China after the Second World War.


Me neither. Traitors aren't oft looked upon fondly.

Tell that to the former C.S.A. The names of Former Confederate Generals and Politicians are everywhere.

Bulrosia wrote:
Bezkoshtovnya wrote:I'm not. Having a lot of bodies and access to largely antiquated armaments does not really mean anything when you are opposed by legitimate modern militaries.

Perhaps best said if this was against a modern military like Israel and even the Saudis, but Iraq and Syria? Syria always maintained a large military due to it's regional confrontation with Israel, but the civil war coupled with the rebels capturing some Syrian army equipment; the Syrian army is not in it's golden age, shall we say.

The Iraqi army, despite huge money spent on new equipment since 2003, was simply a national armed police force, dealing with relatively low-level insurgency with aid from coalition forces. The rise of ISIL shows how dishonourable many Iraqi generals were by abandoning Mosul with few, if any, bullets fired. Many Iraqi soldiers simply signed up to get a regular pay check every month.

As for other nations, it is widely reported that many Jordanians, being a nation that is majority Sunni, support ISIL and its underlying ideals. Sure, they may be involved in coalition strikes, by who's to say radical supporters of ISIL aren't already in Jordan?

I personally disgusted at the whole Middle East. The Saudis Wahhabists (America's Jihad-supporting allies) are too busy bombing Shias in Yemen to put an end to ISIL, and by maintaining one of the largest defence budgets in the region, I believe they have the power to do so.

It has been confirmed that ISIS sympathizer cells are in Jordan. However, while it is terrifying the number of Middle Easterners that support ISIS, one must remember that many does not equal most. The death of Al-Kasaesbeh, for example, triggered widespread protests in Jordan against ISIS. Some even demanded more tangible intervention against ISIS.

So all things considered, most Muslims remain staunchly against ISIS, and are proud of it. Let us never forget that for every Muslim fighting the West, there are twenty more who are either indifferent or fighting for the West. Muslims make up the fighting force against ISIS. Not Christians. Not Hindus. Not Shintos. Muslims.

-United Islamic Emirates- wrote:I won't deny the fact ISIS has killed lots of non-combatant Kurds but I will denie any allegations of rape and sexual slavery and "sexual jihad" I will deny it no matter how many news sources you give.
1.Rape is Zina and in Shari'ah punishable by the death of an adultuer stoning and lashings
2.Sexual Jihad does not exist it is counted as Bid'ah(innovation) as this lie was most likely made by a munafiq(hypocrite)
3.Sexual Slavery is Forbiden in Islam as the prophet Muhammad(SAAWS) would realse slaves from the enemies such as the Ethiopians,Banu Quraydha,Persians etc. Look up Bilal he was a close friend of Muhammad and a former slave also Muhammad never owned slaves as he did love his wives very much so therefore this would be Bid'ah and Munafiqun(Hypocraciy)created by the Munafiqeen(Hypocrites).
And ISIS being an Islamic State would not break the Sunnah(tradition) of Islam an trade it for Bid'ah and Bid'ah is a crime in Islam that is punishable by death and adultery is forbidden so it would make no sense for ISIS to do any of this since the ranks of ISIS are religious Muslims.

You will deny it no matter how many news sources we give? Well, that doesn't make you brave for standing against the current. Continuing to argue a point even when completely disproven by News Sources is just stupid. So guess what I have to say to your blatant ISIS defending, despite saying that you support AQ instead of ISIS?

Forced Marriage. ISIS members may marry any woman they capture. After that, they may have sexual intercourse with her right away, should she be a virgin, with or without her consent. That be rape. Besides, what do you expect ISIS to do? Actually follow the Koran and Muhammad's teachings correctly? Of course not. ISIS is a bunch of Goat-Fuckers. ISIS is not a bunch of religious Muslims. They are a bunch of insane, looting rapists who pervert the teachings of Islam for their own purposes. They are not Muslims. You wanna see a Muslim? Muhammad Ali. King Abdullah of Jordan. Abdel Nasser. Those are Muslims. They might not follow the form of Muslim World Domination that ISIS and AQ and you follow, but considering that ISIS is a minority among the billion+ Muslims, have you ever considered that you, instead, might be the odd one?

Declaring oneself to be a Muslim does not make one a Muslim. It is your actions that determine whether you are a Muslim, and whether Allah's light shines upon you. ISIS is, therefore, not truly Muslim, for they break the rules of the Holy Koran, and cherry pick their way through the Koran's teachings. UIE, if you were to pick any group on this world to defend, any group would be more defensible than ISIS. Any group. At all.
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New Jordslag wrote:Then we can have another New York. No such thing as too many New Yorks.


And somewhere in New York, Big Jim P gets a cold shudder down his spine.

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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Wed Apr 01, 2015 12:55 pm

New Jordslag wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Me neither. Traitors aren't oft looked upon fondly.

Tell that to the former C.S.A. The names of Former Confederate Generals and Politicians are everywhere.

Bulrosia wrote:Perhaps best said if this was against a modern military like Israel and even the Saudis, but Iraq and Syria? Syria always maintained a large military due to it's regional confrontation with Israel, but the civil war coupled with the rebels capturing some Syrian army equipment; the Syrian army is not in it's golden age, shall we say.

The Iraqi army, despite huge money spent on new equipment since 2003, was simply a national armed police force, dealing with relatively low-level insurgency with aid from coalition forces. The rise of ISIL shows how dishonourable many Iraqi generals were by abandoning Mosul with few, if any, bullets fired. Many Iraqi soldiers simply signed up to get a regular pay check every month.

As for other nations, it is widely reported that many Jordanians, being a nation that is majority Sunni, support ISIL and its underlying ideals. Sure, they may be involved in coalition strikes, by who's to say radical supporters of ISIL aren't already in Jordan?

I personally disgusted at the whole Middle East. The Saudis Wahhabists (America's Jihad-supporting allies) are too busy bombing Shias in Yemen to put an end to ISIL, and by maintaining one of the largest defence budgets in the region, I believe they have the power to do so.

It has been confirmed that ISIS sympathizer cells are in Jordan. However, while it is terrifying the number of Middle Easterners that support ISIS, one must remember that many does not equal most. The death of Al-Kasaesbeh, for example, triggered widespread protests in Jordan against ISIS. Some even demanded more tangible intervention against ISIS.

So all things considered, most Muslims remain staunchly against ISIS, and are proud of it. Let us never forget that for every Muslim fighting the West, there are twenty more who are either indifferent or fighting for the West. Muslims make up the fighting force against ISIS. Not Christians. Not Hindus. Not Shintos. Muslims.

-United Islamic Emirates- wrote:I won't deny the fact ISIS has killed lots of non-combatant Kurds but I will denie any allegations of rape and sexual slavery and "sexual jihad" I will deny it no matter how many news sources you give.
1.Rape is Zina and in Shari'ah punishable by the death of an adultuer stoning and lashings
2.Sexual Jihad does not exist it is counted as Bid'ah(innovation) as this lie was most likely made by a munafiq(hypocrite)
3.Sexual Slavery is Forbiden in Islam as the prophet Muhammad(SAAWS) would realse slaves from the enemies such as the Ethiopians,Banu Quraydha,Persians etc. Look up Bilal he was a close friend of Muhammad and a former slave also Muhammad never owned slaves as he did love his wives very much so therefore this would be Bid'ah and Munafiqun(Hypocraciy)created by the Munafiqeen(Hypocrites).
And ISIS being an Islamic State would not break the Sunnah(tradition) of Islam an trade it for Bid'ah and Bid'ah is a crime in Islam that is punishable by death and adultery is forbidden so it would make no sense for ISIS to do any of this since the ranks of ISIS are religious Muslims.

You will deny it no matter how many news sources we give? Well, that doesn't make you brave for standing against the current. Continuing to argue a point even when completely disproven by News Sources is just stupid. So guess what I have to say to your blatant ISIS defending, despite saying that you support AQ instead of ISIS?

Forced Marriage. ISIS members may marry any woman they capture. After that, they may have sexual intercourse with her right away, should she be a virgin, with or without her consent. That be rape. Besides, what do you expect ISIS to do? Actually follow the Koran and Muhammad's teachings correctly? Of course not. ISIS is a bunch of Goat-Fuckers. ISIS is not a bunch of religious Muslims. They are a bunch of insane, looting rapists who pervert the teachings of Islam for their own purposes. They are not Muslims. You wanna see a Muslim? Muhammad Ali. King Abdullah of Jordan. Abdel Nasser. Those are Muslims. They might not follow the form of Muslim World Domination that ISIS and AQ and you follow, but considering that ISIS is a minority among the billion+ Muslims, have you ever considered that you, instead, might be the odd one?

Declaring oneself to be a Muslim does not make one a Muslim. It is your actions that determine whether you are a Muslim, and whether Allah's light shines upon you. ISIS is, therefore, not truly Muslim, for they break the rules of the Holy Koran, and cherry pick their way through the Koran's teachings. UIE, if you were to pick any group on this world to defend, any group would be more defensible than ISIS. Any group. At all.


The former C.S.A. weren't looked upon fondly at all...and as one great politician said, Politics is just shy of treason.

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Postby New Jordslag » Wed Apr 01, 2015 12:57 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
New Jordslag wrote:Tell that to the former C.S.A. The names of Former Confederate Generals and Politicians are everywhere.


It has been confirmed that ISIS sympathizer cells are in Jordan. However, while it is terrifying the number of Middle Easterners that support ISIS, one must remember that many does not equal most. The death of Al-Kasaesbeh, for example, triggered widespread protests in Jordan against ISIS. Some even demanded more tangible intervention against ISIS.

So all things considered, most Muslims remain staunchly against ISIS, and are proud of it. Let us never forget that for every Muslim fighting the West, there are twenty more who are either indifferent or fighting for the West. Muslims make up the fighting force against ISIS. Not Christians. Not Hindus. Not Shintos. Muslims.


You will deny it no matter how many news sources we give? Well, that doesn't make you brave for standing against the current. Continuing to argue a point even when completely disproven by News Sources is just stupid. So guess what I have to say to your blatant ISIS defending, despite saying that you support AQ instead of ISIS?

Forced Marriage. ISIS members may marry any woman they capture. After that, they may have sexual intercourse with her right away, should she be a virgin, with or without her consent. That be rape. Besides, what do you expect ISIS to do? Actually follow the Koran and Muhammad's teachings correctly? Of course not. ISIS is a bunch of Goat-Fuckers. ISIS is not a bunch of religious Muslims. They are a bunch of insane, looting rapists who pervert the teachings of Islam for their own purposes. They are not Muslims. You wanna see a Muslim? Muhammad Ali. King Abdullah of Jordan. Abdel Nasser. Those are Muslims. They might not follow the form of Muslim World Domination that ISIS and AQ and you follow, but considering that ISIS is a minority among the billion+ Muslims, have you ever considered that you, instead, might be the odd one?

Declaring oneself to be a Muslim does not make one a Muslim. It is your actions that determine whether you are a Muslim, and whether Allah's light shines upon you. ISIS is, therefore, not truly Muslim, for they break the rules of the Holy Koran, and cherry pick their way through the Koran's teachings. UIE, if you were to pick any group on this world to defend, any group would be more defensible than ISIS. Any group. At all.


The former C.S.A. weren't looked upon fondly at all...and as one great politician said, Politics is just shy of treason.

It is nowadays in the South. Every time I've visited Virginia, I've seen at least three streets named after famous Confederate Generals and Politicians. And town squares. Oh, and I've seen a statue of Jefferson Davis in Virginia before. Need I go on?
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New Jordslag wrote:Then we can have another New York. No such thing as too many New Yorks.


And somewhere in New York, Big Jim P gets a cold shudder down his spine.

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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Wed Apr 01, 2015 1:00 pm

New Jordslag wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
The former C.S.A. weren't looked upon fondly at all...and as one great politician said, Politics is just shy of treason.

It is nowadays in the South. Every time I've visited Virginia, I've seen at least three streets named after famous Confederate Generals and Politicians. And town squares. Oh, and I've seen a statue of Jefferson Davis in Virginia before. Need I go on?


That's because you're IN the former C.S.A. You won't find a stature of Jefferson Davis in say New York.

However were not exactly comparing apples to apples here.

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Postby New Jordslag » Wed Apr 01, 2015 1:04 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
New Jordslag wrote:It is nowadays in the South. Every time I've visited Virginia, I've seen at least three streets named after famous Confederate Generals and Politicians. And town squares. Oh, and I've seen a statue of Jefferson Davis in Virginia before. Need I go on?


That's because you're IN the former C.S.A. You won't find a stature of Jefferson Davis in say New York.

However were not exactly comparing apples to apples here.

I see.

Well, I was talking about how fondly the CSA was looked upon in the former CSA.
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New Jordslag wrote:Then we can have another New York. No such thing as too many New Yorks.


And somewhere in New York, Big Jim P gets a cold shudder down his spine.

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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Wed Apr 01, 2015 1:22 pm

New Jordslag wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
That's because you're IN the former C.S.A. You won't find a stature of Jefferson Davis in say New York.

However were not exactly comparing apples to apples here.

I see.

Well, I was talking about how fondly the CSA was looked upon in the former CSA.


Right see the Civil war was a Schism more than a rebellion and treason. While illegal it was mostly understood by those that mattered that a "rebellion" of that size you can't just kill them all.

This opposed to a handful of kurds joining isis. It'd be closer to hypothetical Americans fighting for the Empire of Japan in WWII.

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Postby New Jordslag » Wed Apr 01, 2015 1:25 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
New Jordslag wrote:I see.

Well, I was talking about how fondly the CSA was looked upon in the former CSA.


Right see the Civil war was a Schism more than a rebellion and treason. While illegal it was mostly understood by those that mattered that a "rebellion" of that size you can't just kill them all.

This opposed to a handful of kurds joining isis. It'd be closer to hypothetical Americans fighting for the Empire of Japan in WWII.

Exactly. The number of Americans who fought in the IJA in any battle is exactly 0.
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New Jordslag wrote:Then we can have another New York. No such thing as too many New Yorks.


And somewhere in New York, Big Jim P gets a cold shudder down his spine.

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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Wed Apr 01, 2015 1:40 pm

New Jordslag wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Right see the Civil war was a Schism more than a rebellion and treason. While illegal it was mostly understood by those that mattered that a "rebellion" of that size you can't just kill them all.

This opposed to a handful of kurds joining isis. It'd be closer to hypothetical Americans fighting for the Empire of Japan in WWII.

Exactly. The number of Americans who fought in the IJA in any battle is exactly 0.


Hence hyptohthetical. But if there had been, they'd likely be charged and executed for treason.

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Postby Gauthier » Wed Apr 01, 2015 1:47 pm

New Jordslag wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Right see the Civil war was a Schism more than a rebellion and treason. While illegal it was mostly understood by those that mattered that a "rebellion" of that size you can't just kill them all.

This opposed to a handful of kurds joining isis. It'd be closer to hypothetical Americans fighting for the Empire of Japan in WWII.

Exactly. The number of Americans who fought in the IJA in any battle is exactly 0.


Ironic considering the Internment could have pissed off some to actually join.
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Postby -United Islamic Emirates- » Wed Apr 01, 2015 4:31 pm

New Jordslag wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Me neither. Traitors aren't oft looked upon fondly.

Tell that to the former C.S.A. The names of Former Confederate Generals and Politicians are everywhere.

Bulrosia wrote:Perhaps best said if this was against a modern military like Israel and even the Saudis, but Iraq and Syria? Syria always maintained a large military due to it's regional confrontation with Israel, but the civil war coupled with the rebels capturing some Syrian army equipment; the Syrian army is not in it's golden age, shall we say.

The Iraqi army, despite huge money spent on new equipment since 2003, was simply a national armed police force, dealing with relatively low-level insurgency with aid from coalition forces. The rise of ISIL shows how dishonourable many Iraqi generals were by abandoning Mosul with few, if any, bullets fired. Many Iraqi soldiers simply signed up to get a regular pay check every month.

As for other nations, it is widely reported that many Jordanians, being a nation that is majority Sunni, support ISIL and its underlying ideals. Sure, they may be involved in coalition strikes, by who's to say radical supporters of ISIL aren't already in Jordan?

I personally disgusted at the whole Middle East. The Saudis Wahhabists (America's Jihad-supporting allies) are too busy bombing Shias in Yemen to put an end to ISIL, and by maintaining one of the largest defence budgets in the region, I believe they have the power to do so.

It has been confirmed that ISIS sympathizer cells are in Jordan. However, while it is terrifying the number of Middle Easterners that support ISIS, one must remember that many does not equal most. The death of Al-Kasaesbeh, for example, triggered widespread protests in Jordan against ISIS. Some even demanded more tangible intervention against ISIS.

So all things considered, most Muslims remain staunchly against ISIS, and are proud of it. Let us never forget that for every Muslim fighting the West, there are twenty more who are either indifferent or fighting for the West. Muslims make up the fighting force against ISIS. Not Christians. Not Hindus. Not Shintos. Muslims.

-United Islamic Emirates- wrote:I won't deny the fact ISIS has killed lots of non-combatant Kurds but I will denie any allegations of rape and sexual slavery and "sexual jihad" I will deny it no matter how many news sources you give.
1.Rape is Zina and in Shari'ah punishable by the death of an adultuer stoning and lashings
2.Sexual Jihad does not exist it is counted as Bid'ah(innovation) as this lie was most likely made by a munafiq(hypocrite)
3.Sexual Slavery is Forbiden in Islam as the prophet Muhammad(SAAWS) would realse slaves from the enemies such as the Ethiopians,Banu Quraydha,Persians etc. Look up Bilal he was a close friend of Muhammad and a former slave also Muhammad never owned slaves as he did love his wives very much so therefore this would be Bid'ah and Munafiqun(Hypocraciy)created by the Munafiqeen(Hypocrites).
And ISIS being an Islamic State would not break the Sunnah(tradition) of Islam an trade it for Bid'ah and Bid'ah is a crime in Islam that is punishable by death and adultery is forbidden so it would make no sense for ISIS to do any of this since the ranks of ISIS are religious Muslims.

You will deny it no matter how many news sources we give? Well, that doesn't make you brave for standing against the current. Continuing to argue a point even when completely disproven by News Sources is just stupid. So guess what I have to say to your blatant ISIS defending, despite saying that you support AQ instead of ISIS?

Forced Marriage. ISIS members may marry any woman they capture. After that, they may have sexual intercourse with her right away, should she be a virgin, with or without her consent. That be rape. Besides, what do you expect ISIS to do? Actually follow the Koran and Muhammad's teachings correctly? Of course not. ISIS is a bunch of Goat-Fuckers. ISIS is not a bunch of religious Muslims. They are a bunch of insane, looting rapists who pervert the teachings of Islam for their own purposes. They are not Muslims. You wanna see a Muslim? Muhammad Ali. King Abdullah of Jordan. Abdel Nasser. Those are Muslims. They might not follow the form of Muslim World Domination that ISIS and AQ and you follow, but considering that ISIS is a minority among the billion+ Muslims, have you ever considered that you, instead, might be the odd one?

Declaring oneself to be a Muslim does not make one a Muslim. It is your actions that determine whether you are a Muslim, and whether Allah's light shines upon you. ISIS is, therefore, not truly Muslim, for they break the rules of the Holy Koran, and cherry pick their way through the Koran's teachings. UIE, if you were to pick any group on this world to defend, any group would be more defensible than ISIS. Any group. At all.


Yeah don't bring up Abdulshaytan of Jordan he is just the scum of this earth as that nationalist Nasser is. I'm not supporting ISIS but the truth must be spoken. Not every ISIS memember is crazy or some lunatic some have good reasons for joining. Such as the Iraqi army taking over family owned farms and properties they are just defendig them selves,their honor,their religion,their land. Is their crazy people in ISIS probably a lot but is 100% of the nation like this no. There are some members of ISIS just trying to resist the tyrants. And to this I say may god bless Ahrar Ash Sham,ISIS,Al-Nusra,and the FSA and all those who stood up against tyranny in the region of Iraq and the Levant. The people are tried of dictators like the Maliki regime and the Assad clan. Who are killing innocent people. Where the protests and demonstrations against Assad the right thing to do at first? No but we all saw, the world saw Assad's war against the Sunnis and the people of Syria and indeed it was the time for a revolution as in Libya and obviously in Iraq where the time comes for war when the leaders of nations become tyrants and blatant disbelief is seen. And obviously people in Iraq see this and are struggling under the boots of the US-Iranian backed Shia state of Iraq. And not every Iraqi revolutionary has the opportunity to join the Islamic Army in Iraq or Hamas of Iraq or JRTN plus Al-Zaraqawi's AQI had a good reputation with the Sunnis of Iraq along with Jaysh al Sunnah and Ansar Al-Islam but half of Ansar Al-Islam merged with ISIS. People in Iraq and Syria who join ISIS just want their rights and fight for what the believe in. It may not be a peaceful way but this is a war started by the tyrants and the revolutionary warriors will fight for them selves in self defense.
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Postby Alsheb » Wed Apr 01, 2015 4:37 pm

"Assad's war against the Sunnis", he says.

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I'm not supporting ISIS but the truth must be spoken

to this I say may god bless Ahrar Ash Sham,ISIS,Al-Nusra,and the FSA and all those who stood up against tyranny in the region of Iraq and the Levant.

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Postby New Jordslag » Wed Apr 01, 2015 4:53 pm

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New Jordslag wrote:Tell that to the former C.S.A. The names of Former Confederate Generals and Politicians are everywhere.


It has been confirmed that ISIS sympathizer cells are in Jordan. However, while it is terrifying the number of Middle Easterners that support ISIS, one must remember that many does not equal most. The death of Al-Kasaesbeh, for example, triggered widespread protests in Jordan against ISIS. Some even demanded more tangible intervention against ISIS.

So all things considered, most Muslims remain staunchly against ISIS, and are proud of it. Let us never forget that for every Muslim fighting the West, there are twenty more who are either indifferent or fighting for the West. Muslims make up the fighting force against ISIS. Not Christians. Not Hindus. Not Shintos. Muslims.


You will deny it no matter how many news sources we give? Well, that doesn't make you brave for standing against the current. Continuing to argue a point even when completely disproven by News Sources is just stupid. So guess what I have to say to your blatant ISIS defending, despite saying that you support AQ instead of ISIS?

Forced Marriage. ISIS members may marry any woman they capture. After that, they may have sexual intercourse with her right away, should she be a virgin, with or without her consent. That be rape. Besides, what do you expect ISIS to do? Actually follow the Koran and Muhammad's teachings correctly? Of course not. ISIS is a bunch of Goat-Fuckers. ISIS is not a bunch of religious Muslims. They are a bunch of insane, looting rapists who pervert the teachings of Islam for their own purposes. They are not Muslims. You wanna see a Muslim? Muhammad Ali. King Abdullah of Jordan. Abdel Nasser. Those are Muslims. They might not follow the form of Muslim World Domination that ISIS and AQ and you follow, but considering that ISIS is a minority among the billion+ Muslims, have you ever considered that you, instead, might be the odd one?

Declaring oneself to be a Muslim does not make one a Muslim. It is your actions that determine whether you are a Muslim, and whether Allah's light shines upon you. ISIS is, therefore, not truly Muslim, for they break the rules of the Holy Koran, and cherry pick their way through the Koran's teachings. UIE, if you were to pick any group on this world to defend, any group would be more defensible than ISIS. Any group. At all.


Yeah don't bring up Abdulshaytan of Jordan he is just the scum of this earth as that nationalist Nasser is. I'm not supporting ISIS but the truth must be spoken. Not every ISIS memember is crazy or some lunatic some have good reasons for joining. Such as the Iraqi army taking over family owned farms and properties they are just defendig them selves,their honor,their religion,their land. Is their crazy people in ISIS probably a lot but is 100% of the nation like this no. There are some members of ISIS just trying to resist the tyrants. And to this I say may god bless Ahrar Ash Sham,ISIS,Al-Nusra,and the FSA and all those who stood up against tyranny in the region of Iraq and the Levant. The people are tried of dictators like the Maliki regime and the Assad clan. Who are killing innocent people. Where the protests and demonstrations against Assad the right thing to do at first? No but we all saw, the world saw Assad's war against the Sunnis and the people of Syria and indeed it was the time for a revolution as in Libya and obviously in Iraq where the time comes for war when the leaders of nations become tyrants and blatant disbelief is seen. And obviously people in Iraq see this and are struggling under the boots of the US-Iranian backed Shia state of Iraq. And not every Iraqi revolutionary has the opportunity to join the Islamic Army in Iraq or Hamas of Iraq or JRTN plus Al-Zaraqawi's AQI had a good reputation with the Sunnis of Iraq along with Jaysh al Sunnah and Ansar Al-Islam but half of Ansar Al-Islam merged with ISIS. People in Iraq and Syria who join ISIS just want their rights and fight for what the believe in. It may not be a peaceful way but this is a war started by the tyrants and the revolutionary warriors will fight for them selves in self defense.

Abdulshaytan? Kindly use his actual name. At the very least, I refer to your hero, Baghdadi by his actual name. Please respond in kind or face the wrath of my nasty nickname ideas for Baghdadi. I don't even know what you have against Abdullah; the man vastly improved his nation and reacted strongly when ISIS killed when one of his citizens. Or are you against Strong Rulers?

I shall also restate my post from the 'Is America a Christian Nation?" Thread: When one man disagrees with a hundred, chances are that the one is wrong. While situations do happen where the majority is wrong, this is not one of those. You are not stating the truth. Truth is, ISIS is shit.

How can a ISIS member have good reasons for joining ISIS? That's like saying a member of the Scutzestaffel had good reasons for joining. They don't, and unless they were forcibly conscripted, they should be prosecuted for being war criminals. Also interesting how you referred to ISIS as a 'nation.' ISIS is not a nation. They are a Totalitarian Authority established in illegally occupied land that by no right is theirs.

It's also interesting how that, to defend their honor, land, and family, they must massacre Kurds, Shias, and Turkmen. That's not defending. When a man reacts too strongly to a threat, he might very well become that threat himself. ISIS has. While I may not agree with Maliki's decisions, that is no reason to revolt against his regime, then to discriminate against others much like he did. Or do you refuse to recognize that ISIS has committed War Crimes on a scale not seen since the height of the Iraq War. Admittedly a short time, but still.

One cannot, in all honestly, say that they are resisting tyrants when they are tyrants themselves.

Now then. You cannot really accuse the Iraqi Army of War crimes. They've mostly been sitting back and actually defending their lands. ISIS hasn't been doing that. They aren't defending their land. They are taking the land of others. Land that they do not deserve, in all honesty. I understand the need to defend the Sunni People of Iraq, but defense does not extend to killing the people caught in between. That's what ISIS has been doing. need I remind you of the Turkmen Genocide? Of ISIS's massacres of captured Shia Soldiers? Of it's brutalizing of the citizens of Kobani? No, you don't need me to remind you. You already know, but somehow, Pro-ISIS spiel continues to spill from your fingertips. But hey, don't let me get you down. I only want to wait to see your face when ISIS inevitably falls.
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Postby -United Islamic Emirates- » Wed Apr 01, 2015 5:08 pm

If the ISIS falls than I will continue to support the Sunni Thawrat(Revolution) in Iraq and Syria. Now how about we talks about Hassan of Hizb'illah,The Ayatollah of Iran,Nouri's dictatorship,Assad's tyranny,and the corrupt dispicable king of Jordan. Who is just copying the example of the Iranian shah and Atturk in 1921 and dishonoring the Hussieni family and Banu Quryash. Assad,The Iranians,Nouri,and Hizb'illah are bigger terrorists than ISIS. Assad's "men" in Shabiha have raped,murdered,maimed,robed hundreds if not thousands of specifically Sunni Syrians which is even on Wikipedia. And now let's look at the infamous "resistance" of Hizb'illah who has only dragged Lebanon into unessicary wars and failed to comply with the UN. The Hizb has also exported and produced Shisha and worked with drug dealers in Latin America. While their men drive around in BMW x series and Mercedes Benz getting Mut'ah from the Hizb'illah rallies and this ring of Hizb,Assad,and Iran have produced chemical WMDs and used it on it's own people and Hizb'illah does the same thing you said ISIS does when they "defend" their land they just take over and reap havock and chaos. And it is the pledge of the Islamic revolutionaries in Iraq and the Levant to remind the oppressors who's land,who's rights,who's religion,who's honor,who's people it is.
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Alsheb wrote:Now, I'm quite sure the soul of pretty much every IS member is already doomed anyway, but it is funny to see reports of IS fighters frankly being terrified at the prospect of fighting female Peshmerga.


IS wants to rape and enslave Kurdish women as wives/concubines, but the women that are being targeted as "spoils of war" are using weaponry to retaliate rather than being the damsels in distress, I love it. It would only be better in my view, if bullets and munitions used against IS were soaked in pigs blood beforehand. The best way to defeat Jihadists is to use Jihadist logic against them and exploit it.
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Wed Apr 01, 2015 5:19 pm

As much as I hate to say it, UIE is correct. Most people in Daesh are repressed Sunnis. Honestly one could compare Daesh to the French Revolution and not be far off from the truth. As long as Shia Muslims are able to actively repress Sunnis the Islamist and Jihadist bullshit that people Like Al-Baghdadi peddle will always find fertile ground. New Daesh groups will crop up until this ends.

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Alsheb wrote:Now, I'm quite sure the soul of pretty much every IS member is already doomed anyway, but it is funny to see reports of IS fighters frankly being terrified at the prospect of fighting female Peshmerga.


IS wants to rape and enslave Kurdish women as wives/concubines, but the women that are being targeted as "spoils of war" are using weaponry to retaliate rather than being the damsels in distress, I love it. It would only be better in my view, if bullets and munitions used against IS were soaked in pigs blood beforehand. The best way to defeat Jihadists is to use Jihadist logic against them and exploit it.

Pretty sure Jihadists already believe being killed by women denies them paradise

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Alsheb wrote:Now, I'm quite sure the soul of pretty much every IS member is already doomed anyway, but it is funny to see reports of IS fighters frankly being terrified at the prospect of fighting female Peshmerga.


IS wants to rape and enslave Kurdish women as wives/concubines, but the women that are being targeted as "spoils of war" are using weaponry to retaliate rather than being the damsels in distress, I love it. It would only be better in my view, if bullets and munitions used against IS were soaked in pigs blood beforehand. The best way to defeat Jihadists is to use Jihadist logic against them and exploit it.

They can't control being shot by pig's blood ammunition. So therefore Allah's names Ar-Rahman Ar-Raheem (Most gracious,Most Merciful) come into place he will forgive and not even count that against them as it was not chosen to die or be shot like that same applies for being killed by women. It's a forced thing not a chosen an ISIS member dosnt wake up and say "Hey I'm gonna go shot shot by a Kurdish lady with pig's blood bullets yay me!" no not at all that philosophy dosn't even make sense and ISIS twitter accounts even confirmed that. And I believe I was actually the first person to ever bring this up the fact that it wouldn't count. So keep wasting your time and women. Pleas find me a Surah find me a Hadith to confirm this. But until than I will stand on this as god in our religion is the most merciful.
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