Islamic State Crisis Megathread (ISIS/ISIL/IS)

[Kvatchdom]

I wonder what happened to that guy in Iraq who kept the zealots in bay.

We freedom'd the shit out of him. Twice.

Still, he had to go either way. It didn't matter if he kept this guys at bay, Saddam was a murdering a-hole.

I'd still rather have him successfully running a country while being a dick rather than someone who ruins the country's efficiency and fucks up the secularism brought up by the former government.

[Adab]

I wonder what happened to that guy in Iraq who kept the zealots in bay.

Who is this guy that you are talking about? I honestly have no clue on this.

[Organized States]

We freedom'd the shit out of him. Twice.

Still, he had to go either way. It didn't matter if he kept this guys at bay, Saddam was a murdering a-hole.

I'd still rather have him successfully running a country while being a dick rather than someone who ruins the country's efficiency and fucks up the secularism brought up by the former government.

Doesn't matter, either way, Saddam, would go. IS would have shown up eventually. The Arab Spring would start a civil war in Iraq, and IS would come in.

The US overthrows Saddam. IS comes in.

Iraq needs to be three different damn countries.

[Allet Klar Chefs]

Where's Russia in all of this? Out of all the countries you'd expect to come to the aid of Syria, it would be Russia.

Russian support for Assad is the reason we didn't give massive amounts of arms to the Syrian resistance (some of which turned into ISIS) or call for a no-fly zone like in Libya.

Do you really not remember the events of about six months ago?

[Kvatchdom]

I'd still rather have him successfully running a country while being a dick rather than someone who ruins the country's efficiency and fucks up the secularism brought up by the former government.

Doesn't matter, either way, Saddam, would go. IS would have shown up eventually. The Arab Spring would start a civil war in Iraq, and IS would come in.

The US overthrows Saddam. IS comes in.

Iraq needs to be three different damn countries.

Arab Spring my ass. Turning a fuck lot of countries from efficient but bad governments into complete shitholes isn't what I think the people who started that movement had in mind.

Iraq needs to be Iraq with a good leader.

[Organized States]

Doesn't matter, either way, Saddam, would go. IS would have shown up eventually. The Arab Spring would start a civil war in Iraq, and IS would come in.

The US overthrows Saddam. IS comes in.

Iraq needs to be three different damn countries.

Arab Spring my ass. Turning a fuck lot of countries from efficient but bad governments into complete shitholes isn't what I think the people who started that movement had in mind.

Iraq needs to be Iraq with a good leader.

No, Iraq needs to be three damn countries, like it was before the goddamned Europeans and Ottomans came in and screwed that country the hell up. The US just threw flames on the fire.

[Allet Klar Chefs]

Turning a fuck lot of countries from efficient but bad governments into complete shitholes isn't what I think the people who started that movement had in mind.

The reason the Arab Spring started was because the bad governments were also inept. There was massive youth unemployment that governments were doing too little about. That's what the Tunisians, Algerians and Egyptians were protesting about. An ossified military establishment that was depriving them of a positive future.

[Kvatchdom]

Turning a fuck lot of countries from efficient but bad governments into complete shitholes isn't what I think the people who started that movement had in mind.

The reason the Arab Spring started was because the bad governments were also inept. There was massive youth unemployment that governments were doing too little about. That's what the Tunisians, Algerians and Egyptians were protesting about. An ossified military establishment that was depriving them of a positive future.

Indeed, and the countries ain't doing much better.

Arab Spring my ass. Turning a fuck lot of countries from efficient but bad governments into complete shitholes isn't what I think the people who started that movement had in mind.

Iraq needs to be Iraq with a good leader.

No, Iraq needs to be three damn countries, like it was before the goddamned Europeans and Ottomans came in and screwed that country the hell up. The US just threw flames on the fire.

Flames of bad leadership.

[Allet Klar Chefs]

Indeed, and the countries ain't doing much better.

No, they aren't, but saying that the countries where the Arab Spring took hold were "efficient" is unbelievably wrong.

[Organized States]

No, Iraq needs to be three damn countries, like it was before the goddamned Europeans and Ottomans came in and screwed that country the hell up. The US just threw flames on the fire.

Flames of bad leadership.

Murdering dissidents and committing war crimes are not good leadership.

[Blakk Metal]

Think they'll just deploy the Danish Army on them like the US did during the LA Riots?

Don't be silly, this isn't Denmark, it's Low Germany.

Arab Spring my ass. Turning a fuck lot of countries from efficient but bad governments into complete shitholes isn't what I think the people who started that movement had in mind.

Iraq needs to be Iraq with a good leader.

No, Iraq needs to be three damn countries, like it was before the goddamned Europeans and Ottomans came in and screwed that country the hell up. The US just threw flames on the fire.

For much of Iraq's history it was part of a big ass empire. It had no problem then. Furthermore, many countries can handle different ethnicities and religions just fine.

[Allet Klar Chefs]

No, Iraq needs to be three damn countries, like it was before the goddamned Europeans and Ottomans came in and screwed that country the hell up. The US just threw flames on the fire.

Are you that fucking clueless or is this a gimmick?

[Organized States]

Think they'll just deploy the Danish Army on them like the US did during the LA Riots?

Don't be silly, this isn't Denmark, it's Low Germany.

No, Iraq needs to be three damn countries, like it was before the goddamned Europeans and Ottomans came in and screwed that country the hell up. The US just threw flames on the fire.

For much of Iraq's history it was part of a big ass empire. It had no problem then. Furthermore, many countries can handle different ethnicities and religions just fine.

That was primarily due to the fact that the different ethnic groups and religions were allowed maintain their own identities, and were separated from the other groups.

I'm simply suggesting that Iraq be Balkanized (Kurdistan for example should be a separate country).

[Scholmeria]

WTF. Wiki says he is a former PVV politican . It seems like punch in the face for Wilders.

They love to parade that fact around, but he was never really influential and he basically just left the party because Wilders wouldn't put him in an electable position for some election.
A while after that, he converted to Islam while on trial for a whole range of crimes, and immediately became the pet politician of the Saudi authorities.

Ok, so are there a lot of cases where ordinary people are converting to islam? There is a lot of BBC documentaries which seems to love highland thoose converted to islam.

Every culture and civilisation has its end. It looks that is the case with the West and nothing can stop that procees. The Western media is celebrating that procees and it is sad.

[Organized States]

No, Iraq needs to be three damn countries, like it was before the goddamned Europeans and Ottomans came in and screwed that country the hell up. The US just threw flames on the fire.

Are you that fucking clueless or is this a gimmick?

Are you going to attempt to insult me or is this a gimmick?

Slow down. No need to get flamey here.

[Allet Klar Chefs]

I'm simply suggesting that Iraq be Balkanized (Kurdistan for example should be a separate country).

Were you born after Srebrenica by any chance?

[Rio Cana]

The US is effectively working with the Syrian and Egyptian governments at this point, yes.

Ok.

Where's Russia in all of this? Out of all the countries you'd expect to come to the aid of Syria, it would be Russia. Putin needs to get his head out of his ass and realize that his ally is under attack, and has been under attack by ISIS for months now. Ukraine shouldn't be Russia's main concern, it should be Syria.

If not for Russian help, the Syrian President might have been well less off. Certain nations in the region hated the Syrian government. So when some Syrian people protested these foreign nations saw there chance to bankroll some Syrian rebels. They even got the West to join in. The problem was that foreign fighters started flooding in. Some of them were ISIS. So which is better. A stable secular Syria (even though not democratic was slowly reforming in that direction) that kept to its borders or an non-secular ISIS caliphate that wants nothing to do with democracy or different religions. And which wants to conquer a chunk of the world.

Its 2014, the time of the Caliphates ended a long time ago. Time to go forward not back.

[Blakk Metal]

Don't be silly, this isn't Denmark, it's Low Germany.

For much of Iraq's history it was part of a big ass empire. It had no problem then. Furthermore, many countries can handle different ethnicities and religions just fine.

That was primarily due to the fact that the different ethnic groups and religions were allowed maintain their own identities, and were separated from the other groups.

I'm simply suggesting that Iraq be Balkanized (Kurdistan for example should be a separate country).

If they are Balkanized, they'll just engage in wars with each other.

[Organized States]

I'm simply suggesting that Iraq be Balkanized (Kurdistan for example should be a separate country).

Were you born after Srebrenica by any chance?

Before. Former Yugoslavia is a perfect example of what Iraq should look like in the Modern Day (without the whole Kosovo vs Serbia thing). Multiple countries, each with their own particular identities, all from different ethnic and religious groups.

[Scholmeria]

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/22949841/__Telegraaf_belaagd_in_Schilderswijk__.html
Here's a video of one journalist being attacked.

Well since the journalista love multiculturalism let them have taste of it.

[Organized States]

That was primarily due to the fact that the different ethnic groups and religions were allowed maintain their own identities, and were separated from the other groups.

I'm simply suggesting that Iraq be Balkanized (Kurdistan for example should be a separate country).

If they are Balkanized, they'll just engage in wars with each other.

The most of the Balkans maintain quite good relations with each other nowadays.

[Blakk Metal]

If they are Balkanized, they'll just engage in wars with each other.

The most of the Balkans maintain quite good relations with each other nowadays.

They also only had secular goals.

[Geilinor]

Doesn't matter, either way, Saddam, would go. IS would have shown up eventually. The Arab Spring would start a civil war in Iraq, and IS would come in.

The US overthrows Saddam. IS comes in.

Iraq needs to be three different damn countries.

Arab Spring my ass. Turning a fuck lot of countries from efficient but bad governments into complete shitholes isn't what I think the people who started that movement had in mind.

That's not what they had in mind, but it happened that way.

[Geilinor]

The most of the Balkans maintain quite good relations with each other nowadays.

They also only had secular goals.

Kurdistan is currently secular and democratic, why not give Iraqi Kurdistan its independence?

[Blakk Metal]

They also only had secular goals.

Kurdistan is currently secular and democratic, why not give Iraqi Kurdistan its independence?

I have no problem with that, I'm just saying it wont work.