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Postby Filimons » Wed Jul 15, 2015 7:53 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:The problem with that is that there wasn't really an Iraqi national identity to begin with; Iraq was a cobbled-together mess of colonial territory with more than one nation living within it.

I do believe there was once an Iraqi national identity. Perhaps it wasn't as robust as the Syrian one but it did exist. The only problem is the rise of Ba'athism reduced the nation to the Party and the Party was in turn reduced to its leader. With the fall of the leader it all collapses. I'm not the one saying this; Hassan Mneimneh, a Lebanese intellectual, discussed this in a video for the German Marshall Fund of the United States [the part I mentioned starts around the three minute mark] dating back to 2013.
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Postby West Aurelia » Thu Jul 16, 2015 3:15 am

The US prepares charges against Umm Sayyaf for the kidnapping of Kayla Mueller.

Baghdadi may have been in Raqqa a few weeks ago.

The first US-trained fighters have entered Syria.
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Postby Filimons » Thu Jul 16, 2015 8:34 pm

I found this; it's a bit old (from March) but I found it rather interesting and perhaps overly idealistic.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:04 pm

ISIS claims its first naval attack on an Egyptian naval vessel.

Apparently ATGM's are just as effective against ships as they are tanks.
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Postby Filimons » Mon Jul 20, 2015 12:12 am

Daesh increasing its use of chemicals.
Game of Thrones-style punishment . . .
Coalition planes drop leaflets over Raqqa
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Postby West Aurelia » Thu Jul 23, 2015 4:49 am

Kurdish fighters assassinate an alleged IS member in Istanbul.
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Postby Germanic Templars » Thu Jul 23, 2015 6:48 am



I guess you could say they were playing a game of... ISIS Creed.

Bad joke? Okay I'll go to my corner.

Seriously, a bit ballsy on the Kurd's part.

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ISIS "fill the streets of Paris with dead bodies"

Postby Dawangdido15 » Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:47 pm

http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20150 ... 68036.html
The brutal Islamist group notorious for the atrocities it commits daily in Iraq, Syria and elsewhere has promised to "fill the streets of Paris with dead bodies" in a newly released video, Press TV reported.

But I think that they have said this on behalf of their western masters, to legitimize EU/NATO, a regime that is bad for everyone because it's ridiculous austerity policies and failed currency. They could also just be boasting and trying to sound macho. I would also point out that everyone has wanted to fill the streets of Paris with dead bodies at one time or another, and that the French educations support of only math means that the Parisians are already pretty dead and would probably like it if ISIS stirred things up a bit. I hope that you will not take this as an excuse to support EU/NATO or it's military action.

Together, others can stop ISIS without U.S.-NATO imperialism. NATO interventions demonstrably create ISIS.
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Postby Calimera II » Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:49 pm

''has ISIS rhetoric increased your support for villainous NATO with it's austerity and bombings''

Try again.
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Postby MERIZoC » Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:49 pm

What.
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Postby Calimera II » Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:50 pm

Merizoc wrote:What.

yea...
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Postby British Accia » Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:51 pm

Swimming through the bias, no, it has not. It has lowered my opinion of ISIS, or ISIL, or IS, or whatever. Though I'm not sure it can get much lower. And has increased my support of airstrikes, attacks etc. which was already pretty high. But no, I do not single out any specific organisation to produce said acts.
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Postby Talvezout » Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:51 pm

This is news, yes.

But OP could be better.

(Isn't there a mega thread for ISIS things?)
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Postby Dawangdido15 » Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:52 pm

Talvezout wrote:This is news, yes.

But OP could be better.

I'm open to suggestions.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:52 pm

Terrible OP is terrible.
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Postby British Accia » Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:53 pm

Dawangdido15 wrote:
Talvezout wrote:This is news, yes.

But OP could be better.

I'm open to suggestions.

Remove the bias?
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:54 pm

A less loaded poll question would be a start, even if it is meant to be sarcastic.
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Postby Talvezout » Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:55 pm

Dawangdido15 wrote:
Talvezout wrote:This is news, yes.

But OP could be better.

I'm open to suggestions.


I understand what you're trying to say, but having the "NATO is bad" part shouldn't be in the OP, although it could be it's own thread: that is, judging the merits of still having NATO.
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Postby Dawangdido15 » Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:55 pm

British Accia wrote:Remove the bias?

Not only is it unbiased, it's straight from the mouth of God.
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Postby British Accia » Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:56 pm

Dawangdido15 wrote:
British Accia wrote:Remove the bias?

Not only is it unbiased, it's straight from the mouth of God.

I sincerely hope your being sarcastic...
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Postby Alyakia » Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:57 pm

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Postby Dawangdido15 » Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:57 pm

Talvezout wrote:I understand what you're trying to say, but having the "NATO is bad" part shouldn't be in the OP, although it could be it's own thread: that is, judging the merits of still having NATO.

I have provided more explanation.
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Postby Arlenton » Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:57 pm

Yes, and with neutron bombs from now on.
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Postby The balkens » Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:57 pm

Dawangdido15 wrote:
British Accia wrote:Remove the bias?

Not only is it unbiased, it's straight from the mouth of God.


grade a Bullshit.
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Postby British Accia » Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:58 pm

I think this guy is confusing NATO with the EU.
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