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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Feb 03, 2015 1:24 pm

The Nuclear Fist wrote:
Bulgar Rouge wrote:
Morals are the worst excuse not to eliminate a group like this...We're already at their level by allowing them to do what they want.

So by not charging cock first into a volatile, unfriendly region and committing heinous war crimes and human rights atrocities, we've sunk to the level of war criminals and those who commit human rights atrocities?

That's some fine logic you've got there.

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Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Bulgar Rouge » Tue Feb 03, 2015 1:34 pm

The Nuclear Fist wrote:So by not charging cock first into a volatile, unfriendly region


Already did that, and the result is this. This is rock-bottom and can't get any worse if someone intervenes, tbh.

and committing heinous war crimes


Yawn.

and human rights atrocities


Human rights are a just a bunch of lines written on a piece of paper by a few dozen intellectuals who thought the world could be better. Those who supposedly care about them are those who do least to defend them, exactly because of the mindset you've just demonstrated.

we've sunk to the level of war criminals and those who commit human rights atrocities?


War is always a dirty business and those who want to stay saints can just stay home. Sometimes systematic eradication is necessary to save lives.

If Al-Baghdadi was executed and not released from prison a few years ago, this pilot would've been alive, 900 members of the Shtaytat tribe would've been alive, 1,500 Iraqi Air Force cadets would've graduated and made their families proud, and thousands more would've had a chance. If that would be the result of several "war crimes", yes please. I'll have more of them.

That's some fine logic you've got there.

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Postby New Jordslag » Tue Feb 03, 2015 1:56 pm

Napkiraly wrote:Moaz al-Kasasbeh, the Jordanian pilot captured by ISIS has apparently been burned alive.

My condolences to his family and other loved ones, this is absolutely horrific.

Those S.O.B.s. I was hoping he would make it out. I bet his last thoughts were "Damn it. If I hadn't chosen that one plane..."

But seriously. That was dickish, and it seriously disadvantages both ISIS and Jordan. Should ISIS keep this up, the Middle Eastern nations shall soon be letting them burn in hell. It seems they are literally trying to turn the world on them.

May Kasaesbeh rest in peace. Je Suis Kasaesbeh.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Tue Feb 03, 2015 2:47 pm

With this most recent killing, it is time for the coalitions (+ Turkey) to act with ground forces to put a stop to ISIS once and for all. They cannot fight in the open, and will lose ground quickly if Turkey and Iraqi-(and, hopefully Iraq would let them move ground forces in)-Jordanian ground offensive came in on both sides, plus the Kurds closing in from a third.
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Postby New Jordslag » Tue Feb 03, 2015 2:50 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:With this most recent killing, it is time for the coalitions (+ Turkey) to act with ground forces to put a stop to ISIS once and for all. They cannot fight in the open, and will lose ground quickly if Turkey and Iraqi-(and, hopefully Iraq would let them move ground forces in)-Jordanian ground offensive came in on both sides, plus the Kurds closing in from a third.

But doesn't Turkey support Islamist Groups?
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Ganos Lao
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Postby Ganos Lao » Tue Feb 03, 2015 2:58 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
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I'm well aware of the interpretations of Islam and all, but I can't help but think some may be in it for less than pious reasons.

Some may be but to say they all are or that even a majority are is stretching things. Certainly without evidence it is.


Heh. Serves me right for just randomly indulging in cynicism.

All in all, whatever motivates them ought to be combated accordingly. I mean, it's not enough to defeat ISIS when the thing that creates them still exists, right?



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Postby United Marxist Nations » Tue Feb 03, 2015 3:25 pm

New Jordslag wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:With this most recent killing, it is time for the coalitions (+ Turkey) to act with ground forces to put a stop to ISIS once and for all. They cannot fight in the open, and will lose ground quickly if Turkey and Iraqi-(and, hopefully Iraq would let them move ground forces in)-Jordanian ground offensive came in on both sides, plus the Kurds closing in from a third.

But doesn't Turkey support Islamist Groups?

Yeah, that doesn't mean we can't say they are obligated not to.
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Postby New Jordslag » Tue Feb 03, 2015 3:27 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
New Jordslag wrote:But doesn't Turkey support Islamist Groups?

Yeah, that doesn't mean we can't say they are obligated not to.

What with invading Cyprus, suppressing religions, and blatantly supporting ISIS, I doubt Turkey cares about Obligations.
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Costa Fierro
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Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Costa Fierro » Tue Feb 03, 2015 3:30 pm

New Jordslag wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:With this most recent killing, it is time for the coalitions (+ Turkey) to act with ground forces to put a stop to ISIS once and for all. They cannot fight in the open, and will lose ground quickly if Turkey and Iraqi-(and, hopefully Iraq would let them move ground forces in)-Jordanian ground offensive came in on both sides, plus the Kurds closing in from a third.

But doesn't Turkey support Islamist Groups?


Not overtly. Perhaps when the tanks storm through Iraq, they can continue to Ankara....
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Postby United Russian Soviet States » Tue Feb 03, 2015 4:57 pm

Will Jordan blitz ISIS?
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Postby Vancon » Tue Feb 03, 2015 4:58 pm

United Russian Soviet States wrote:Will Jordan blitz ISIS?

I wonder how long that'll take to be put into motion.
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Postby New Jordslag » Tue Feb 03, 2015 4:59 pm

Vancon wrote:
United Russian Soviet States wrote:Will Jordan blitz ISIS?

I wonder how long that'll take to be put into motion.

Now we aren't even wondering if Jordan will put boots on the ground, but when. Splendid job, ISIS.
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Postby Gauthier » Tue Feb 03, 2015 5:09 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
New Jordslag wrote:But doesn't Turkey support Islamist Groups?

Yeah, that doesn't mean we can't say they are obligated not to.


Give it time. IS will probably kill some Turk captives just to say "You're Not The Boss of Me!" and even Erdogan will have to join the Orient Express Conga on IS.
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Postby Napkiraly » Tue Feb 03, 2015 5:12 pm

Gauthier wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:Yeah, that doesn't mean we can't say they are obligated not to.


Give it time. IS will probably kill some Turk captives just to say "You're Not The Boss of Me!" and even Erdogan will have to join the Orient Express Conga on IS.

This should legit be the name of the coalition.
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Postby New Jordslag » Tue Feb 03, 2015 5:14 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
Give it time. IS will probably kill some Turk captives just to say "You're Not The Boss of Me!" and even Erdogan will have to join the Orient Express Conga on IS.

This should legit be the name of the coalition.

Why? What does Orient Express Conga mean?
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Postby Napkiraly » Tue Feb 03, 2015 5:21 pm

New Jordslag wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:This should legit be the name of the coalition.

Why? What does Orient Express Conga mean?

It doesn't have to mean anything if it's awesome.
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Postby The balkens » Tue Feb 03, 2015 5:22 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
New Jordslag wrote:Why? What does Orient Express Conga mean?

It doesn't have to mean anything if it's awesome.


Might as well call ISIS the "Gaggle of Douchebags".

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Postby New Jordslag » Tue Feb 03, 2015 5:22 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
New Jordslag wrote:Why? What does Orient Express Conga mean?

It doesn't have to mean anything if it's awesome.

Ah, I see. Then how about El Psy Kongroo coalition?

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Postby Wolfenium » Tue Feb 03, 2015 5:23 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:EDIT, it appears the execution of the pilot happened WEEKS ago. So IS never had any intention to swap.


Make it a full month actually.

Wow. And still pretending you are willing to swap the whole time..


Probably thought they could trick the Jordanians into releasing the terrorist in a knee-jerk rather than demand for evidence of the pilot's wellbeing (or lack thereof) to the bitter end. Condolences to Kasasbeh's family.
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Postby Napkiraly » Tue Feb 03, 2015 5:25 pm

New Jordslag wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:It doesn't have to mean anything if it's awesome.

Ah, I see. Then how about El Psy Kongroo coalition?

A cookie to anybody who gets the reference.

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Postby Gauthier » Tue Feb 03, 2015 5:25 pm

New Jordslag wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:This should legit be the name of the coalition.

Why? What does Orient Express Conga mean?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_on_the_Orient_Express
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Postby Napkiraly » Tue Feb 03, 2015 5:26 pm

The balkens wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:It doesn't have to mean anything if it's awesome.


Might as well call ISIS the "Gaggle of Douchebags".

That'd be an insult to douchebags, come on now.
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Postby New Jordslag » Tue Feb 03, 2015 5:46 pm

Wolfenium wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
Make it a full month actually.

Wow. And still pretending you are willing to swap the whole time..


Probably thought they could trick the Jordanians into releasing the terrorist in a knee-jerk rather than demand for evidence of the pilot's wellbeing (or lack thereof) to the bitter end. Condolences to Kasasbeh's family.

I believe they were trying to get the Jordanians to give in, to embarrass them. It backfired. Badly. Jordan is the last nation ISIS needs messing with it, what with Jordan's somewhat-friendly relations with Israel and well-disciplined Armed Forces. And god knows Jordanian Civilians are now going to go form a militia to fight ISIS.
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New Jordslag wrote:Then we can have another New York. No such thing as too many New Yorks.


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Postby New Jordslag » Tue Feb 03, 2015 5:46 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
The balkens wrote:
Might as well call ISIS the "Gaggle of Douchebags".

That'd be an insult to douchebags, come on now.

Yeah. Comparing Douchebags to ISIS is just mean. To the Douchebags.
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New Jordslag wrote:Then we can have another New York. No such thing as too many New Yorks.


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Postby New Jordslag » Tue Feb 03, 2015 5:47 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
New Jordslag wrote:Ah, I see. Then how about El Psy Kongroo coalition?

A cookie to anybody who gets the reference.

Okabe Rintarou?

You watch Steins;Gate then. Great show.
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