Russia hits West with food import ban in sanctions row

[Roski]

that's a hellalotta food not being provided to the Russian people.

40% of the total amount of food for Russia, in fact.

[Allanea]

It's quite idiotic to restrict the free flow of goods. It's not very good for the economy. Basic econ, man.

Does this apply to the Western sanctions as well?

[Roski]

It's quite idiotic to restrict the free flow of goods. It's not very good for the economy. Basic econ, man.

Does this apply to the Western sanctions as well?

Yes, actually.

Oil is one of the major ones where Easternn Europe, as far out as Germany, as well as national gas (Includes Russia) is banned import/export, then its absolute suicide for all involved.

[Gaiserin]

We should leave EU.

[Roski]

We should leave EU.

Its a ban on NATO, I don't think all of the EU is affected.

[Gaiserin]

We should leave EU.

Its a ban on NATO, I don't think all of the EU is affected.

Well that's kinda the problem. Because only certain EU nations actually have to deal with these import bans and sanction bullshit.

[Magna Libero]

It's quite idiotic to restrict the free flow of goods. It's not very good for the economy. Basic econ, man.

Does this apply to the Western sanctions as well?

It applies to any sanctions, I assume. I don't think protectionism has any benefits at all.

that's a hellalotta food not being provided to the Russian people.

40% of the total amount of food for Russia, in fact.

Wow. Just wow.

[Lyttenburg]

Yeah, you're probably not going to die, but you're going to be poorer in wealth and experience

How so? How, me personally, would be poorer in "wealth and experience" by not having an opportunity to eat de flope with the seeds of cacius with several croûtons (that I have never eaten before and have no desire nor spare money anyway to eat now)

because there won't be the option of possibly cheaper foreign goods.

Which ones? Tell me, oh expert!

How does your капуста суп taste like, by the way? Нормальный? My Russian grammar sucks by the way. So sorry for all the language abuse.

1) Not only your Russian grammar sucks.
2) What the matter with the "cabbage soup", huh? What, do you think, that all the Russians daily eat it or borshch and tryong to impress me with your "deep" knowledge of Russia? What warranted such kind of a question? I don't ask in any kind of forum converstaion Americans "How were your super fat and unhealthy burger and fries, that you think could countered by a 0.33 can of Diet Coke?".

Would you like me to unholster my arsenal of Finnish jokes, hm, Magna Libero?

I'm not sure about exotic fruits, such as bananas. Are they targeted by this? It would be kind of symbolically hilarious if Russia won't have bananas. I think I'm the only one, who laughs at this.

HA.Ha.ha.

Because, "naturally", France, Hungary and Norwegium are the main exporteds of bananas to Russia. "Fact checking" and "research"? Pfft! You, user Magna Libero, have proved previously that you don't need such "unnecesarrily" things.

It's kind of sad for me and the Finnish people to eat your products with Russian texts on them and with a delicious discount. For example I think a certain Finnish cheese is(has been with a net sales of 378 million euros in 2013?) relatively popular in Russia. I almost feel like a Nazi, who has stolen all the silvers from a Jewish family. Weird reference, but you get my point.

No, I don't. And I should better not to post what I really think about this passage.

As for other "experts" - pray, tell me, what I, as Russian, would undoubtedly lose foodstuff-wise as the result of these sanctions.

[достаёт семки и "Жигули"]

[Cartalucci]

Yeah, you're probably not going to die, but you're going to be poorer in wealth and experience

How so? How, me personally, would be poorer in "wealth and experience" by not having an opportunity to eat de flope with the seeds of cacius with several croûtons (that I have never eaten before and have no desire nor spare money anyway to eat now)

How could you and the rest of the Russian population go on without the inferior western GM and and pesticide and hormone riddled food made by Monsanto and all the other American and West European agricultural corporations? You'll somehow have to manage by only eating superior, natural, local produce!

I find it hilarious that the westerners are so arrogant that they think most Russian people will actually miss their shit food. I bet when the import ban is eventually lifted food imports from the west will stay at zero even without restrictions.

[Farnhamia]

How so? How, me personally, would be poorer in "wealth and experience" by not having an opportunity to eat de flope with the seeds of cacius with several croûtons (that I have never eaten before and have no desire nor spare money anyway to eat now)

How could you and the rest of the Russian population go on without the inferior western GM and and pesticide and hormone riddled food made by Monsanto and all the other American and West European agricultural corporations? You'll somehow have to manage by only eating superior, natural, local produce!

I find it hilarious that the westerners are so arrogant that they think most Russian people will actually miss their shit food. I bet when the import ban is eventually lifted food imports from the west will stay at zero even without restrictions.

If it's such shit, one wonders why Russia was importing any at all? I'm fairly sure the Monsanto representatives did not hold a gun to the heads of the Russian trade ministry. Once the restrictions are lifted, Russia will go right back to importing the same things.

[The Archregimancy]

Because, "naturally", France, Hungary and Norwegium are the main exporteds of bananas to Russia. "Fact checking" and "research"? Pfft!

Norway and Hungary, patently not.

But France?

There is a considerable French banana industry in the Caribbean; so much so that EU protection of the European (and former European colony) Caribbean banana crop via favourable tariffs was the source of the longest-running trade dispute in WTO history.

Countries where bananas are a main export crop are Belize, Dominican Republic, Honduras, Jamaica, Guadeloupe, Dominica, Martinique, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Grenada, Trinidad and Tobago, Nicaragua, Panama and Colombia

See also:
http://www.independent.co.uk/travel/ame ... 19737.html
http://www.wto.org/english/news_e/news1 ... ov12_e.htm

The French also grow bananas on Reunion Island in the Indian Ocean.

Russia can no doubt source bananas from other parts of the world; but losing access to French bananas might have more of an impact than you think given the scale of the French banana-growing industry.


Fact-checking and research are indeed wonderful things, aren't they?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Yeah, the agricultural sector comprises less than two percent of the economy and one percent of employment. A huge factor, indeed.

And US food exports to Russia account for about 1% of our total agricultural exports. I don't think people will be picketing the White House on account of this. I noticed while googling around that Russia is no banning imports of alcohol from the West. Funny, that.

We will ban everything; but the booze, we keep the booze.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

How so? How, me personally, would be poorer in "wealth and experience" by not having an opportunity to eat de flope with the seeds of cacius with several croûtons (that I have never eaten before and have no desire nor spare money anyway to eat now)

How could you and the rest of the Russian population go on without the inferior western GM and and pesticide and hormone riddled food made by Monsanto and all the other American and West European agricultural corporations? You'll somehow have to manage by only eating superior, natural, local produce!

I find it hilarious that the westerners are so arrogant that they think most Russian people will actually miss their shit food. I bet when the import ban is eventually lifted food imports from the west will stay at zero even without restrictions.

You have very high expectations for local, organic produce.

[Lyttenburg]

Fact-checking and research are indeed wonderful things, aren't they?

I'm well aware that France still retines its Carribean "overseas posessions" and that tropical fruits production there is quite impressive. Why I listed France in the same sentence as Hungary and Nirwegium, is because niether of these countries exports any significant number of banans to Russia. Currently Russian imports bananas promarily from Ecuador (up to 90% in 2012), and, to lesser degree, from Chlie, Clombia, Costa-Rica (some articles say that even from China and India). In my store, as long as I remember, there were always Ecuadorian bananas.

[Gravlen]

Obama has chosen to use EU's funds to fight Russia. The EU is forced to fight Obama's Financial War against Russia over which Oligarchs get to rule Ukraine. Let's not forget that the EU is a democracy, and do you really think that Europeans are too keen on fighting for America with their very own money?

This is bullshit. The EU isn't forced to fight by Obama or the US. The EU is forced to fight because Russia has decided to breach the peace and take parts of its neighbours territory, and is attempting to undermine the stability and security of Europe.

Oh, and nearly all of Russia's sectors are either behind Putin or against the US/EU on this issue.

Russians do propaganda and nationalistic fervor well.

[Lyttenburg]

Meahwhile - first victims of Russia's food import ban!

Denmark listeria deaths linked to pork sausage

Danish officials say they suspect that sausage contaminated with listeria bacteria has killed at least 12 people.

The infection is thought to have come from pork sausages called Rullepoelse, made by a firm in Hedehusene, near the capital Copenhagen. The product has now been withdrawn from sale.

So far eight other people have tested positive for listeria.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Meahwhile - first victims of Russia's food import ban!

Denmark listeria deaths linked to pork sausage

Danish officials say they suspect that sausage contaminated with listeria bacteria has killed at least 12 people.

The infection is thought to have come from pork sausages called Rullepoelse, made by a firm in Hedehusene, near the capital Copenhagen. The product has now been withdrawn from sale.

So far eight other people have tested positive for listeria.

What does this even have to do with the sanctions?!

[Gravlen]

Despite authorities' efforts, huge price rises began to hit the headlines within days of the ban.

On Wednesday, the Federal Anti-Monopoly Service issued a warning to Russkoye Morye (Russian Sea), one of the country's biggest fish suppliers, after media reports said it had sent out price lists to clients almost doubling the cost of its fresh fish. Russkoye Morye had sourced much of its salmon from Norway before the ban. Now, like businesses across the country, it is scrambling to find alternative suppliers.

One of the country's largest retailers, X5, said this week that some of its suppliers had informed it of upcoming price increase of more than 20 percent.

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/return-of-price-controls-russia-fights-food-price-inflation-after-import-ban/505148.html

Russian politicians have declared the recent bans on Western imports a golden opportunity for Russian agriculture — but farmers and economists warn that upping production is a question of years, not months, and closing the market will not be enough to solve its problems.

At first glance, the sudden cancellation of about $9 billion in food imports could look like a windfall for an uncompetitive agricultural sector suffering from two decades of underinvestment.

But increasing Russian agricultural production will take at least five years, provided there is substantial investment and good state policies, according to Natalya Shagayda, director of the Center for Agricultural Policy at economic research university RANEPA.

The import bans, meanwhile, will only last a year unless the government renews them, and could be lifted at any moment if relations with the West clear up.

"Creating a driver for growth in domestic production is a decidedly secondary aim [of the bans] … which has most likely been somewhat exaggerated," said Maxim Klyagin, a food market analyst at Finam Management.

In the short term, domestic producers will only be able to replace a "relatively small part" of the imports lost, Klyagin said. The main beneficiaries of the ban will be exporters in the Russian-led Customs Union, Latin America and the Pacific Rim, who can boost exports to Russia free of European competition.

Looking ahead several years, domestic producers could replace imports — but only if the current limitations remain solidly in place and are supplemented by other state supports, he added.

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/putin-s-import-bans-no-renaissance-for-russian-agriculture/505147.html

[Lyttenburg]

Meahwhile - first victims of Russia's food import ban!

Denmark listeria deaths linked to pork sausage

Danish officials say they suspect that sausage contaminated with listeria bacteria has killed at least 12 people.

The infection is thought to have come from pork sausages called Rullepoelse, made by a firm in Hedehusene, near the capital Copenhagen. The product has now been withdrawn from sale.

So far eight other people have tested positive for listeria.

What does this even have to do with the sanctions?!

Otherwise these sausages could be imported ti Russia. But now Europe can eat it's own "healthy" and "totally not dangerous for health" food as much as it please.

[Cartalucci]

Despite authorities' efforts, huge price rises began to hit the headlines within days of the ban.

On Wednesday, the Federal Anti-Monopoly Service issued a warning to Russkoye Morye (Russian Sea), one of the country's biggest fish suppliers, after media reports said it had sent out price lists to clients almost doubling the cost of its fresh fish. Russkoye Morye had sourced much of its salmon from Norway before the ban. Now, like businesses across the country, it is scrambling to find alternative suppliers.

One of the country's largest retailers, X5, said this week that some of its suppliers had informed it of upcoming price increase of more than 20 percent.

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/return-of-price-controls-russia-fights-food-price-inflation-after-import-ban/505148.html

Russian politicians have declared the recent bans on Western imports a golden opportunity for Russian agriculture — but farmers and economists warn that upping production is a question of years, not months, and closing the market will not be enough to solve its problems.

At first glance, the sudden cancellation of about $9 billion in food imports could look like a windfall for an uncompetitive agricultural sector suffering from two decades of underinvestment.

But increasing Russian agricultural production will take at least five years, provided there is substantial investment and good state policies, according to Natalya Shagayda, director of the Center for Agricultural Policy at economic research university RANEPA.

The import bans, meanwhile, will only last a year unless the government renews them, and could be lifted at any moment if relations with the West clear up.

"Creating a driver for growth in domestic production is a decidedly secondary aim [of the bans] … which has most likely been somewhat exaggerated," said Maxim Klyagin, a food market analyst at Finam Management.

In the short term, domestic producers will only be able to replace a "relatively small part" of the imports lost, Klyagin said. The main beneficiaries of the ban will be exporters in the Russian-led Customs Union, Latin America and the Pacific Rim, who can boost exports to Russia free of European competition.

Looking ahead several years, domestic producers could replace imports — but only if the current limitations remain solidly in place and are supplemented by other state supports, he added.

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/putin-s-import-bans-no-renaissance-for-russian-agriculture/505147.html

I find it unlikely that cases such as this will become common, the Russian government has promised to crack down on speculators like this company.

[Allanea]

On Wednesday, the Federal Anti-Monopoly Service issued a warning to Russkoye Morye (Russian Sea), one of the country's biggest fish suppliers, after media reports said it had sent out price lists to clients almost doubling the cost of its fresh fish.

These media reports have been retracted later, though.

[Gravlen]

On Wednesday, the Federal Anti-Monopoly Service issued a warning to Russkoye Morye (Russian Sea), one of the country's biggest fish suppliers, after media reports said it had sent out price lists to clients almost doubling the cost of its fresh fish.

These media reports have been retracted later, though.

Cool. Source?

[Magna Libero]

As for other "experts" - pray, tell me, what I, as Russian, would
undoubtedly lose foodstuff-wise as the result of these sanctions.

How so? How, me personally, would be poorer in "wealth and experience"
by not having an opportunity to eat
de flope with
the seeds of cacius with several croûtons (that I
have never eaten before and have no desire nor spare money anyway to
eat now)

It's not very efficient for Russia to produce everything by itself.
Take a look at North Korea, it doesn't rely on foreign trade. Some
producers, A, are specialized in X, while others, B, are in Y. A has a
comparative advantage over B on product X, so they should swap and
trade to maximize the efficiency.

1) Not only your Russian grammar sucks.
2) What the matter with the "cabbage soup", huh? What, do you think,
that all the Russians daily eat it or borshch and tryong to impress me
with your "deep" knowledge of Russia? What warranted such kind of a
question? I don't ask in any kind of forum converstaion Americans "How
were your super fat and unhealthy burger and fries, that you think
could countered by a 0.33 can of Diet Coke?".

1. I'm sorry.
2. No, I just thought if you are lasting long with your cabbage soup?
You and the people aren't still pissed about the situation in your
country and your government? Just a reference I heard somewhere that
Russians could last for a very long time eating their -- simple?--
cabbage soups, without questioning their der Führer.
Why are you Russians so politically inactive and just accept the
situation as it is? Is it because of the propaganda that the state
media shoves on you every day?
Oh, and you're lovely. I like you.

Would you like me to unholster my arsenal of Finnish jokes, hm, Magna
Libero?

Ahahaha. Sure, tell me some jokes, I'm not that patriotic. Just don't
waste any lines on this thread and make sure they are hilarious. You
can TG me or anything.

HA.Ha.ha.
Because, "naturally", France, Hungary and Norwegium are the main
exporteds of bananas to Russia. "Fact checking" and "research"?
Pfft! You, user Magna Libero, have proved previously that you don't
need such "unnecesarrily" things.

Well, sorry. I was asking a question about something and if my
guesstimation was true.

Which ones? Tell me, oh expert!

Sorry, I don't know. I don't feel like researching now. I'm bad at
finding everything I need from search engines. There just doesn't seem
to be everything listed on the web, such as articles or books or some
unwritten facts that I just want to be written down. I was also too
lazy to read on anything.

edit: I did read some articles

[Allanea]

These media reports have been retracted later, though.

Cool. Source?

I've seen the retraction on Lenta.ru, which is a Russian news site.

[Rio Cana]

It seems the EU. third quarter growth rate numbers will be going down because of the Russian EU embargo on certain EU. items.

Seems the EU. will be making payments to farmers hit hard economically by this Russian embargo. What I find very un business like is what is said in the following article.

Meanwhile, a senior EU official said the 28-member bloc is preparing to apply diplomatic pressure to prevent other countries stepping in and trying to grab the Russian markets closed to its producers, citing potential rivals in Brazil and Egypt.

Unbelievable! They need to be reminded that the Empire days are over. Business competition is what it is all about not monopoly control.

Article - http://news.yahoo.com/eu-moves-protect- ... 07961.html