Russia hits West with food import ban in sanctions row

[Arglorand]

If you are invaded by the country with the largest nuclear arsenal in the world, that's your problem now.

Stay classy, NSG.

Also, terrorists who literally come and drive over from Russia are not Ukrainian people in the east.

for instance lets say you live in a small nation with a powerhouse nuclear armed nation by you. and you fear everyday of possible invasion wouldn't you spend more on your military? I know I would arm to the teeth and have as much military knowledge to at least kill as many as possible. but its insane and it IS there fault if they are invaded. Its absolutely NONE of our business at all what happens happens.

I fucking /do/ live in a small nation. And by bloody fucking hell, it /is/ next to a nuclear powerhouse.

I don't want my government to have to build nukes - a thing we can't afford anyway. I want my government to work for its people. To build houses and to help people live. Why should my government and my people fear constant threat from Russia?

[Valaran]

the Ukrainians were dumb enough to GIVE away there nuclear arsenal....

Yeah, and that was a mistake. Yes. That does not make it Ukraine's fault to suffer through all this shit it's going through.

At the time, it seemed like a good way to keep Russia from making unwanted claims to territory, however. Look, I'm sure you're our clever westerner who would have never given away his nukes, but being out of the area of threat is precisely why you are not at leisure to talk pompously about "if they only spent more on military this would not be happening!". Remember when Russia invaded Georgia? Yeah, there is no way in hell Georgia could have afforded a military spending high enough to repel Russia. No way in hell. Same is for Ukraine if Russia would begin an all-out invasion. It would be down entirely to guerilla fighting.

It's easy to talk about issues when you're not affected by them, but show some more sympathy.

^This. No matter how much you spend on defense, Russia can outspend you if you are Georgia/Moldova/Ukraine/other former Soviet state

[Arglorand]

Actually it is just Ukraine, Georgia and the Baltic States that are against Russia. All of the other former Soviet states have taken Russia's side.

Moldova, interestingly, is neutral for the time being.

Don't forget Poland is anti Russia here, and most of the Soviet controlled central Europe aren't exactly happy with Russia (with the exception of Hungary).


Moldova has it hands tied over the break away region (Russian troops are still stationed there), and its trade goes principally to Russia.


Also note that most of the former Soviet states were pretty happy to leave. Most of the European ones have now joined the EU. And in Asia they are now building oil lines to China, housing NATO bases for Afghanistan and even tuning off a certain oil pipeline to Russian allies there.

Moldova isn't neutral. It signed that Association Agreement same as Georgia and Ukraine.

Also, Azerbaijan. Azerbaijan bloody hates Russia for pretty much keeping Armenia afloat. It's the only actually neutral player right now.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Russia: "Sanction us will you! Well HA! We'll sanction ourselves! That'll show you!"

10/10. Would laugh at.

[Arglorand]

Russia: "Sanction us will you! Well HA! We'll sanction ourselves! That'll show you!"

10/10. Would laugh at.

I already have, personally.

[Wisconsin9]

Russia: "Sanction us will you! Well HA! We'll sanction ourselves! That'll show you!"

10/10. Would laugh at.

At this rate, you'll be able to simply walk in to Russia by the time we take office.

[Trezchoix]

the Ukrainians were dumb enough to GIVE away there nuclear arsenal....

Yeah, and that was a mistake. Yes. That does not make it Ukraine's fault to suffer through all this shit it's going through.

At the time, it seemed like a good way to keep Russia from making unwanted claims to territory, however. Look, I'm sure you're our clever westerner who would have never given away his nukes, but being out of the area of threat is precisely why you are not at leisure to talk pompously about "if they only spent more on military this would not be happening!". Remember when Russia invaded Georgia? Yeah, there is no way in hell Georgia could have afforded a military spending high enough to repel Russia. No way in hell. Same is for Ukraine if Russia would begin an all-out invasion. It would be down entirely to guerilla fighting.

It's easy to talk about issues when you're not affected by them, but show some more sympathy.

Ukraine isn't a small nation at all so if they did a swiss style military idea everyone serves and is knowledgeable in military movements etc. The Russians would have FAR less want to "invade" Ukraine besides if Ukraine were to stock up of military equipment I highly doubt Russia would want to invade a nation with semi modern equipment and good military know how. The risk to reward would be to much. Georgia is a very tiny nation but they still should be armed to the teeth if your gonna lose kill as many as possible.

[Valaran]

Don't forget Poland is anti Russia here, and most of the Soviet controlled central Europe aren't exactly happy with Russia (with the exception of Hungary).


Moldova has it hands tied over the break away region (Russian troops are still stationed there), and its trade goes principally to Russia.


Also note that most of the former Soviet states were pretty happy to leave. Most of the European ones have now joined the EU. And in Asia they are now building oil lines to China, housing NATO bases for Afghanistan and even tuning off a certain oil pipeline to Russian allies there.

Moldova isn't neutral. It signed that Association Agreement same as Georgia and Ukraine.

Also, Azerbaijan. Azerbaijan bloody hates Russia for pretty much keeping Armenia afloat. It's the only actually neutral player right now.

Well I never actually said Moldova was neutral, I just said it couldn't afford to piss Russia off... I was agreeing with you

[Antarticaria]

Russia: "Sanction us will you! Well HA! We'll sanction ourselves! That'll show you!"

10/10. Would laugh at.

Someone needs to pop off a good "In Russia...." Joke.

[Arglorand]

Yeah, and that was a mistake. Yes. That does not make it Ukraine's fault to suffer through all this shit it's going through.

At the time, it seemed like a good way to keep Russia from making unwanted claims to territory, however. Look, I'm sure you're our clever westerner who would have never given away his nukes, but being out of the area of threat is precisely why you are not at leisure to talk pompously about "if they only spent more on military this would not be happening!". Remember when Russia invaded Georgia? Yeah, there is no way in hell Georgia could have afforded a military spending high enough to repel Russia. No way in hell. Same is for Ukraine if Russia would begin an all-out invasion. It would be down entirely to guerilla fighting.

It's easy to talk about issues when you're not affected by them, but show some more sympathy.

Ukraine isn't a small nation at all so if they did a swiss style military idea everyone serves and is knowledgeable in military movements etc. The Russians would have FAR less want to "invade" Ukraine besides if Ukraine were to stock up of military equipment I highly doubt Russia would want to invade a nation with semi modern equipment and good military know how. The risk to reward would be to much. Georgia is a very tiny nation but they still should be armed to the teeth if your gonna lose kill as many as possible.

Again, it's really easy to talk when you're safe somewhere far to the west and unaffected.

What major nuclear powers threaten your nation, eh?

[Lunalia]

Yeah, and that was a mistake. Yes. That does not make it Ukraine's fault to suffer through all this shit it's going through.

At the time, it seemed like a good way to keep Russia from making unwanted claims to territory, however. Look, I'm sure you're our clever westerner who would have never given away his nukes, but being out of the area of threat is precisely why you are not at leisure to talk pompously about "if they only spent more on military this would not be happening!". Remember when Russia invaded Georgia? Yeah, there is no way in hell Georgia could have afforded a military spending high enough to repel Russia. No way in hell. Same is for Ukraine if Russia would begin an all-out invasion. It would be down entirely to guerilla fighting.

It's easy to talk about issues when you're not affected by them, but show some more sympathy.

Ukraine isn't a small nation at all so if they did a swiss style military idea everyone serves and is knowledgeable in military movements etc. The Russians would have FAR less want to "invade" Ukraine besides if Ukraine were to stock up of military equipment I highly doubt Russia would want to invade a nation with semi modern equipment and good military know how. The risk to reward would be to much. Georgia is a very tiny nation but they still should be armed to the teeth if your gonna lose kill as many as possible.

Why would any of Russia's smaller neighbors want to provoke the nuclear power next door?

[Arglorand]

Moldova isn't neutral. It signed that Association Agreement same as Georgia and Ukraine.

Also, Azerbaijan. Azerbaijan bloody hates Russia for pretty much keeping Armenia afloat. It's the only actually neutral player right now.

Well I never actually said Moldova was neutral, I just said it couldn't afford to piss Russia off... I was agreeing with you

I know, I corrected Shaka-Zulu, not you.

[Trezchoix]

for instance lets say you live in a small nation with a powerhouse nuclear armed nation by you. and you fear everyday of possible invasion wouldn't you spend more on your military? I know I would arm to the teeth and have as much military knowledge to at least kill as many as possible. but its insane and it IS there fault if they are invaded. Its absolutely NONE of our business at all what happens happens.

I fucking /do/ live in a small nation. And by bloody fucking hell, it /is/ next to a nuclear powerhouse.

I don't want my government to have to build nukes - a thing we can't afford anyway. I want my government to work for its people. To build houses and to help people live. Why should my government and my people fear constant threat from Russia?

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lol you wont have houses then and governments don't "work" for the people ( but that's for another time ) Your nation should put emphasis on defense then unless you want to be a rooskie.

[Valaran]

Yeah, and that was a mistake. Yes. That does not make it Ukraine's fault to suffer through all this shit it's going through.

At the time, it seemed like a good way to keep Russia from making unwanted claims to territory, however. Look, I'm sure you're our clever westerner who would have never given away his nukes, but being out of the area of threat is precisely why you are not at leisure to talk pompously about "if they only spent more on military this would not be happening!". Remember when Russia invaded Georgia? Yeah, there is no way in hell Georgia could have afforded a military spending high enough to repel Russia. No way in hell. Same is for Ukraine if Russia would begin an all-out invasion. It would be down entirely to guerilla fighting.

It's easy to talk about issues when you're not affected by them, but show some more sympathy.

Ukraine isn't a small nation at all so if they did a swiss style military idea everyone serves and is knowledgeable in military movements etc. The Russians would have FAR less want to "invade" Ukraine besides if Ukraine were to stock up of military equipment I highly doubt Russia would want to invade a nation with semi modern equipment and good military know how. The risk to reward would be to much. Georgia is a very tiny nation but they still should be armed to the teeth if your gonna lose kill as many as possible.

Compare Ukraines' and Switzerland's GDP for a second (and their GDP per capita). Therein lies the flaw to that argument. Ukraine can't anything like what Switzerland has.

[Valaran]

Well I never actually said Moldova was neutral, I just said it couldn't afford to piss Russia off... I was agreeing with you

I know, I corrected Shaka-Zulu, not you.

yay

still was confused there a second (its getting late in Europe, as you know)

[Arglorand]

Ukraine isn't a small nation at all so if they did a swiss style military idea everyone serves and is knowledgeable in military movements etc. The Russians would have FAR less want to "invade" Ukraine besides if Ukraine were to stock up of military equipment I highly doubt Russia would want to invade a nation with semi modern equipment and good military know how. The risk to reward would be to much. Georgia is a very tiny nation but they still should be armed to the teeth if your gonna lose kill as many as possible.

Why would any of Russia's smaller neighbors want to provoke the nuclear power next door?

Well, you know, there's a certain thrill about wrestling bears.

[Trezchoix]

Ukraine isn't a small nation at all so if they did a swiss style military idea everyone serves and is knowledgeable in military movements etc. The Russians would have FAR less want to "invade" Ukraine besides if Ukraine were to stock up of military equipment I highly doubt Russia would want to invade a nation with semi modern equipment and good military know how. The risk to reward would be to much. Georgia is a very tiny nation but they still should be armed to the teeth if your gonna lose kill as many as possible.

Compare Ukraines' and Switzerland's GDP for a second (and their GDP per capita). Therein lies the flaw to that argument. Ukraine can't anything like what Switzerland has.

And why is that? poor economic policies. once again there fault you can make any excuse for these nations but ultimately its THERE fault for not wanting to defend themselves sink or swim baby sink or swim

[Valaran]

I fucking /do/ live in a small nation. And by bloody fucking hell, it /is/ next to a nuclear powerhouse.

I don't want my government to have to build nukes - a thing we can't afford anyway. I want my government to work for its people. To build houses and to help people live. Why should my government and my people fear constant threat from Russia?

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lol you wont have houses then and governments don't "work" for the people ( but that's for another time ) Your nation should put emphasis on defense then unless you want to be a rooskie.

It joined NATO so that it could be defended. And that by and large worked. That;s why Russia is trying so hard to stop Ukriane from joining the EU and/or NATO.

[Antarticaria]

Compare Ukraines' and Switzerland's GDP for a second (and their GDP per capita). Therein lies the flaw to that argument. Ukraine can't anything like what Switzerland has.

And why is that? poor economic policies. once again there fault you can make any excuse for these nations but ultimately its THERE fault for not wanting to defend themselves sink or swim baby sink or swim

No. In the world of Today Sink Or Swim does not truly exist due to communication and alliances that can be active in minutes of a phone call.

[Lunalia]

Compare Ukraines' and Switzerland's GDP for a second (and their GDP per capita). Therein lies the flaw to that argument. Ukraine can't anything like what Switzerland has.

And why is that? poor economic policies. once again there fault you can make any excuse for these nations but ultimately its THERE fault for not wanting to defend themselves sink or swim baby sink or swim

I maintain that provoking the nuclear power next door is not a wise move, under any circumstances. It's not their fault they happen to be located next to an easily provoked nuclear power.

[Valaran]

Compare Ukraines' and Switzerland's GDP for a second (and their GDP per capita). Therein lies the flaw to that argument. Ukraine can't anything like what Switzerland has.

And why is that? poor economic policies. once again there fault you can make any excuse for these nations but ultimately its THERE fault for not wanting to defend themselves sink or swim baby sink or swim

I'd actually say its Russia' fault for propping up crony governments (until everyone got so fed up with them in Ukraine) and generally making sure that these nations stayed tied to the Russia.

[Arglorand]

I fucking /do/ live in a small nation. And by bloody fucking hell, it /is/ next to a nuclear powerhouse.

I don't want my government to have to build nukes - a thing we can't afford anyway. I want my government to work for its people. To build houses and to help people live. Why should my government and my people fear constant threat from Russia?

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lol you wont have houses then and governments don't "work" for the people ( but that's for another time ) Your nation should put emphasis on defense then unless you want to be a rooskie.

No, my nation should not have to fear Russia every minute of our lives. Your social darwinism disgusts me, I'm sorry to say.

[Arglorand]

And why is that? poor economic policies. once again there fault you can make any excuse for these nations but ultimately its THERE fault for not wanting to defend themselves sink or swim baby sink or swim

No. In the world of Today Sink Or Swim does not truly exist due to communication and alliances that can be active in minutes of a phone call.

Booyah, baby.

[Trezchoix]

So lets make sure we don't piss anybody off policy? wtf ?! no Ukraine needs to man up I mean ffs the soviets killed more Ukrainians than Germans did the Jewish people. It should be BURNED in there minds that this should NEVER happen again. But if they can forget that fast its even more there fault for not learning from history. ( btw guys Russia really shouldn't have invaded so Im not entirely bashing Ukraine )

[Arglorand]

So lets make sure we don't piss anybody off policy? wtf ?! no Ukraine needs to man up I mean ffs the soviets killed more Ukrainians than Germans did the Jewish people. It should be BURNED in there minds that this should NEVER happen again. But if they can forget that fast its even more there fault for not learning from history. ( btw guys Russia really shouldn't have invaded so Im not entirely bashing Ukraine )

Imagine that you've just been betrayed by a sibling.

That's how Ukraine feels right now. For all of their history, they thought Russia was a fraternal nation. No matter how much shit it did, they thought that.

Look what happened. It's naturally quite traumatic.

You know, I strongly advise you against inadvertently appearing the most unempathetic person on this forum right now.