Russia hits West with food import ban in sanctions row

[Harkback Union]

Russia can import food / sell oil to asia. By hindering trade with the EU and the US while boosting trade with china and the atni-western middle east, Putin can make sure that future western sanctions will be powerless...

[Arglorand]

Personally, I think we need to hold a referendum on St. Petersburg joining Liechtenstein.

[Arglorand]

Russia can import food / sell oil to asia. By hindering trade with the EU and the US while boosting trade with china and the atni-western middle east, Putin can make sure that future western sanctions will be powerless...

Nope.

[Lalaki]

The United States needs to bring a large chunk of its manufacturing sector back.

[Arglorand]

Obviously Ukraine wants to be left alone. Putin would never do something like that.

Unfortunately, many people will support Russia because they "are taking a stand to the US."

Taking a stand to the United States doesn't mean that a country will be good. But on the Internet, I guess that's they way things work.

Yeah, no kidding. I've seen people justifying Assad, Saddam Hussein, and Kim Jong Un because "they oppose the US".

That's not how intellectual honesty works. You are allowed to, and SHOULD, oppose a lot of US foreign policy, because a lot of it is indeed irresponsible and dangerous. But you should not justify the actions of people who are just as bad or, even more often, far worse.

But some people do it anyway.

[Lalaki]

Unfortunately, many people will support Russia because they "are taking a stand to the US."

Taking a stand to the United States doesn't mean that a country will be good. But on the Internet, I guess that's they way things work.

Yeah, no kidding. I've seen people justifying Assad, Saddam Hussein, and Kim Jong Un because "they oppose the US".

That's not how intellectual honesty works. You are allowed to, and SHOULD, oppose a lot of US foreign policy, because a lot of it is indeed irresponsible and dangerous. But you should not justify the actions of people who are just as bad or, even more often, far worse.

But some people do it anyway.

You have hit the nail on the head.

[Pandeeria]

Personally, I think we need to hold a referendum on St. Petersburg joining Liechtenstein.

We should hold a referendum to bring back the Russian Empire at it's full height.

[Arglorand]

Personally, I think we need to hold a referendum on St. Petersburg joining Liechtenstein.

We should hold a referendum to bring back the Russian Empire at it's full height.

Who would be voting, precisely?

Because we can get to that right after the referendum on holding no more referendums in Eastern Europe, as fabricating yes votes is a waste of bloody time.

[Pandeeria]

We should hold a referendum to bring back the Russian Empire at it's full height.

Who would be voting, precisely?

All of Russia, Kazakhstan, Ukraine, Baltic's, Finland, Alaska, Armenia, Azerbaijan, and the other break-away nations.

[Weaponized EMP Monopolies]

Putin will catch and cook bears so people do not go hungry.

[Farnhamia]

Personally, I think we need to hold a referendum on St. Petersburg joining Liechtenstein.

We should hold a referendum to bring back the Russian Empire at it's full height.

That would be about 6 ft 8 in (203 cm), the height of, by the grace of God, the most excellent and great sovereign prince Pyotr Alekseevich the ruler all the Russias: of Moscow, of Kiev, of Vladimir, of Novgorod, Tsar of Kazan, Tsar of Astrakhan and Tsar of Siberia, sovereign of Pskov, great prince of Smolensk, Tversk, Yugorsk, Permsky, Vyatsky, Bulgarsky and others, sovereign and great prince of Novgorod Nizovsky lands, Chernigovsky, of Ryazan, of Rostov, Yaroslavl, Belozersky, Udorsky, Kondiisky and the sovereign of all the northern lands, and the sovereign of the Iverian lands, of the Kartlian and Georgian Kings, of the Kabardin lands, of the Circassian and Mountain princes and many other states and lands western and eastern here and there and the successor and sovereign and ruler.

[Farnhamia]

Who would be voting, precisely?

All of Russia, Kazakhstan, Ukraine, Baltic's, Finland, Alaska, Armenia, Azerbaijan, and the other break-away nations.

Oh, you mean the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics?

[Pandeeria]

We should hold a referendum to bring back the Russian Empire at it's full height.

That would be about 6 ft 8 in (203 cm), the height of, by the grace of God, the most excellent and great sovereign prince Pyotr Alekseevich the ruler all the Russias: of Moscow, of Kiev, of Vladimir, of Novgorod, Tsar of Kazan, Tsar of Astrakhan and Tsar of Siberia, sovereign of Pskov, great prince of Smolensk, Tversk, Yugorsk, Permsky, Vyatsky, Bulgarsky and others, sovereign and great prince of Novgorod Nizovsky lands, Chernigovsky, of Ryazan, of Rostov, Yaroslavl, Belozersky, Udorsky, Kondiisky and the sovereign of all the northern lands, and the sovereign of the Iverian lands, of the Kartlian and Georgian Kings, of the Kabardin lands, of the Circassian and Mountain princes and many other states and lands western and eastern here and there and the successor and sovereign and ruler.

It's nice to see that you're in the Russian Imperial Spirit.

[Pandeeria]

All of Russia, Kazakhstan, Ukraine, Baltic's, Finland, Alaska, Armenia, Azerbaijan, and the other break-away nations.

Oh, you mean the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics?

Nope. The USSR didn't have Finland nor Alaska.

Look at the Russian Empire with it's glory.

[Upper America]

They're trying to save face, Putin's had a knack for testing waters and this time has gotten himself in quite the trouble. If we're lucky he'll die in a wreck or something, that or the Russian public will finally wake up.

If you're lucky no one will warn you for wishing death on an actual person. Knock it off.

I doubt he'll be voted out of office. Many of the Russian people like him, perhaps because after years of feeling marginalized after the break-up of the Soviet Union, they have a leader in Putin who asserts himself on the international stage.

Do they not realize that he's just creating more problems? He bullies Ukraine around, acts like he's all tough, and thinks that the west'll bow down to him if he sanctions us. Something's wrong with that guy. Makes it worse when you realize that he said that the collapse of the Soviet Union was a bad thing. He's climbing his way to the ranks of Assad, Stalin, and Kim Jong Un on the nuttiness scale.

Personally, I think we need to hold a referendum on St. Petersburg joining Liechtenstein.

We should hold a referendum to bring back the Russian Empire at it's full height.

Let's not.

I have a solution.

Let Ukraine decide what they want through a democratic referendum, overseen by UN officials from EU nations, Russia, and the United States. Also hold another UN approved vote in Crimea.

And whatever they decide, accept.

Ukraine has decided, they want to be left alone and to not have the Russians meddling in their affairs.

Russia'll never let that happen.

[Arglorand]

Who would be voting, precisely?

All of Russia, Kazakhstan, Ukraine, Baltic's, Finland, Alaska, Armenia, Azerbaijan, and the other break-away nations.

So that's 188,248,184 non-Russian votes vs. 143,800,000 Russian votes.

Odds are in our favour. Bring on the referendum.

Don't forget a hidden clause that involves dismantling the Russian Federation in the event of a no vote.

[Lalaki]

All of Russia, Kazakhstan, Ukraine, Baltic's, Finland, Alaska, Armenia, Azerbaijan, and the other break-away nations.

So that's 188,248,184 non-Russian votes vs. 143,800,000 Russian votes.

Odds are in our favour. Bring on the referendum.

Alaska?

The Americans will come in to intercede.

[Farnhamia]

That would be about 6 ft 8 in (203 cm), the height of, by the grace of God, the most excellent and great sovereign prince Pyotr Alekseevich the ruler all the Russias: of Moscow, of Kiev, of Vladimir, of Novgorod, Tsar of Kazan, Tsar of Astrakhan and Tsar of Siberia, sovereign of Pskov, great prince of Smolensk, Tversk, Yugorsk, Permsky, Vyatsky, Bulgarsky and others, sovereign and great prince of Novgorod Nizovsky lands, Chernigovsky, of Ryazan, of Rostov, Yaroslavl, Belozersky, Udorsky, Kondiisky and the sovereign of all the northern lands, and the sovereign of the Iverian lands, of the Kartlian and Georgian Kings, of the Kabardin lands, of the Circassian and Mountain princes and many other states and lands western and eastern here and there and the successor and sovereign and ruler.

It's nice to see that you're in the Russian Imperial Spirit.

Pyotr Alekseevich was a nice young man. I met him when he visited England in 1698. Amazingly tall for his day, and quite handsome, not to mention well-spoken and inquisitive about everything.

[Arglorand]

So that's 188,248,184 non-Russian votes vs. 143,800,000 Russian votes.

Odds are in our favour. Bring on the referendum.

Alaska?

The Americans will come in to intercede.

Oh, so we don't just get half a million Alaskans, but /all/ the Americans to help us?

Wonderful. Simply wonderful.

[Imperializt Russia]

All of Russia, Kazakhstan, Ukraine, Baltic's, Finland, Alaska, Armenia, Azerbaijan, and the other break-away nations.

Oh, you mean the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics?

IIRC, one of the first things the Soviets did (well, after the German non-aggression pact, at least) was basically seize all of the territories that had gained independence following the dissolution of the Russian Empire.

From this I assumed that the USSR is not significantly larger, alliances discounted, than the Russian Empire.

[Arglorand]

Oh, you mean the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics?

IIRC, one of the first things the Soviets did (well, after the German non-aggression pact, at least) was basically seize all of the territories that had gained independence following the dissolution of the Russian Empire.

From this I assumed that the USSR is not significantly larger, alliances discounted, than the Russian Empire.

Said assumption is correct, aye.

[Geanna]

They're trying to save face, Putin's had a knack for testing waters and this time has gotten himself in quite the trouble. If we're lucky he'll die in a wreck or something, that or the Russian public will finally wake up.

If you're lucky no one will warn you for wishing death on an actual person. Knock it off.

I doubt he'll be voted out of office. Many of the Russian people like him, perhaps because after years of feeling marginalized after the break-up of the Soviet Union, they have a leader in Putin who asserts himself on the international stage.

I wasn't necessarily wishing death on him, I said we'd be lucky, I'd much rather prefer him being removed than dying. Afterall, look at where his antics have gotten him? Russia has garnered unity and national strength thanks to some fancy nationalist maneuvering, but have we forgotten what happened the last time we allowed a country to garner such a nationalist mentality? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Germany

Russia isn't on a good road with him in office, I had high hopes at first because yes, Russia needs a strong leader, but they don't need a pillock who's ballsy to the point of instigating an international crisis. My hopes for an actual democratic, rising Republic of Russia died out after 2008.

[Pandeeria]

All of Russia, Kazakhstan, Ukraine, Baltic's, Finland, Alaska, Armenia, Azerbaijan, and the other break-away nations.

So that's 188,248,184 non-Russian votes vs. 143,800,000 Russian votes.

Odds are in our favour. Bring on the referendum.

Don't forget a hidden clause that involves dismantling the Russian Federation in the event of a no vote.

Dismantle it into what exactly?

No worries. Russian Empire will come true. Next we shall bring back the Austro-Hungarian Empire. *nods*

[Talanzaar]

Good luck finding new food someplace else

[Valaran]

So that's 188,248,184 non-Russian votes vs. 143,800,000 Russian votes.

Odds are in our favour. Bring on the referendum.

Don't forget a hidden clause that involves dismantling the Russian Federation in the event of a no vote.

Dismantle it into what exactly?

No worries. Russian Empire will come true. Next we shall bring back the Austro-Hungarian a Empire. *nods*

and the Ottoman one as well while we are here *nods sagely*