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Postby Vamtrl » Wed Aug 06, 2014 2:09 pm

BEIJING — Chinese authorities are investigating two Canadians citizens on suspicion of stealing state secrets about China’s military and national defence research, state media said.

The official Xinhua News Agency said in a one-paragraph report late Monday that Kevin Garratt and Julia Dawn Garratt were being investigated by the state security bureau in China’s northeastern city of Dandong that borders North Korea. Xinhua did not provide further details. The offence of stealing state secrets is a serious crime in China.

The Canadian newspaper The Globe and Mail said the Garratts are a Vancouver couple who have lived in China since 1984 and have run a popular coffee shop in Dandong since 2008.


The accusations against the couple came nearly a week after Canada accused a China-sponsored hacker of infiltrating Canada’s National Research Council, the country’s top research and development organization.

China’s Foreign Ministry expressed strong displeasure over the allegation, urging Canada to withdraw the “groundless” accusation.

Canada’s foreign affairs department said it was aware of reports that the two Canadians had been detained and was trying get more information. The department said consular officials were ready to provide assistance.

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Looks like China cant help but respond in pettiness after they were caught pilfering Canada's secret. I have underlined the important part. Apparently, for 30 years the couple was fine but when Canada caught them spying, suddenly the Canadian couple are SPIES sent to steal "military and national defence research"...which in itself is quite hilarious and ironic as they probably stole all the research from other countries.
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Postby Inyourfaceistan » Wed Aug 06, 2014 2:12 pm

Vamtrl wrote:
BEIJING — Chinese authorities are investigating two Canadians citizens on suspicion of stealing state secrets about China’s military and national defence research, state media said.

The official Xinhua News Agency said in a one-paragraph report late Monday that Kevin Garratt and Julia Dawn Garratt were being investigated by the state security bureau in China’s northeastern city of Dandong that borders North Korea. Xinhua did not provide further details. The offence of stealing state secrets is a serious crime in China.

The Canadian newspaper The Globe and Mail said the Garratts are a Vancouver couple who have lived in China since 1984 and have run a popular coffee shop in Dandong since 2008.


The accusations against the couple came nearly a week after Canada accused a China-sponsored hacker of infiltrating Canada’s National Research Council, the country’s top research and development organization.

China’s Foreign Ministry expressed strong displeasure over the allegation, urging Canada to withdraw the “groundless” accusation.

Canada’s foreign affairs department said it was aware of reports that the two Canadians had been detained and was trying get more information. The department said consular officials were ready to provide assistance.

Source


Looks like China cant help but respond in pettiness after they were caught pilfering Canada's secret. I have underlined the important part. Apparently, for 6 years the couple was fine but when Canada caught them spying, suddenly the Canadian couple are SPIES sent to steal "military and national defence research"...which in itself is quite hilarious and ironic as they probably stole all the research from other countries.


Are you trying to suggest that J-31 might potentially have used stolen concepts from pathetic western F-35?

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Postby Deusaeuri » Wed Aug 06, 2014 2:13 pm

Inyourfaceistan wrote:
Vamtrl wrote:
Looks like China cant help but respond in pettiness after they were caught pilfering Canada's secret. I have underlined the important part. Apparently, for 6 years the couple was fine but when Canada caught them spying, suddenly the Canadian couple are SPIES sent to steal "military and national defence research"...which in itself is quite hilarious and ironic as they probably stole all the research from other countries.


Are you trying to suggest that J-31 might potentially have used stolen concepts from pathetic western F-35?

Image

Probably not, considering he didn't mention either of those.
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Postby Vamtrl » Wed Aug 06, 2014 2:17 pm

Inyourfaceistan wrote:Are you trying to suggest that J-31 might potentially have used stolen concepts from pathetic western F-35?



Oh perish that thought! :shock:

A partial list of compromised designs include the F-35 fifth generation fighter jet, the V-22 Osprey, THAAD missile defense, Patriot missile defense, AIM-120 Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile, the Global Hawk high altitude surveillance drone. Hackers also accessed Personally Identifiable Information, including vast quantities of military email addresses, SSN, credit card numbers, and passwords.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/china-ha ... z39eIjKpuf


Weapon designs and technologies compromised
SYSTEM DESIGNS

Terminal High Altitude Area Defense

Patriot Advanced Capability-3

Extended Area Protection and Survivability System (EAPS)

F-35

V-22

C-17

Hawklink

Advanced Harpoon Weapon Control System

Tanker Conversions

Long-term Mine Reconnaissance System

Global Hawk

Navy antenna mechanisms

Global Freight Management System

Micro Air Vehicle

Brigade Combat Team Modernization

Aegis Ballistic Missile Defense System

USMC Tracked Combat Vehicles

Warfighter Information Network-Tactical (WIN-T)

T700 Family of Engines

Full Authority Digital Engine Controller (FADEC)

UH-60 Black Hawk

AMRAAM (AIM-120 Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile)

Affordable Weapons System

Littoral Combat Ship

Navy Standard Missile (SM-2,3,6)

P-8A/Multi-Mission Aircraft

F/A and EA-18

RC-135 Detect./Collect.

Mk54 Light Weight Torpedo

TECHNOLOGIES

Directed Energy

UAV video system

Specific Emitter identification

Nanotechnology

Dual Use Avionics

Fuze/Munitions safety and development

Electronic Intelligence Processing

Tactical Data Links

Satellite Communications

Electronic Warfare

Advanced Signal Processing Technologies for Radars

Nanostructured Metal Matrix Composite for Light Weight Ballistic Armor

Vision-aided Urban Navigation & Collision Avoidance for Class I Unmanned Air Vehicles (UAV)

Space Surveillance Telescope

Materials/processing technologies

IR Search and Track systems

Electronic Warfare systems

Electromagnetic Aircraft Launch

Rail Gun

Side Scan sonar

Mode 5 IFF

Export Control, ITAR, Distribution Statement B,C,D Technical Information

CAD drawings, 3D models, schematics

Software code

Critical technology

Vendor/supply chain data

Technical manuals

PII (email addresses, SSN, credit card numbers, passwords, etc.)

Attendee lists for program reviews and meetings

Url: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/nat ... story.html
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Postby Inyourfaceistan » Wed Aug 06, 2014 2:22 pm

Deusaeuri wrote:
Inyourfaceistan wrote:
Are you trying to suggest that J-31 might potentially have used stolen concepts from pathetic western F-35?

Image

Probably not, considering he didn't mention either of those.


He implied China probably stole research from other countries. I brought up F-35 vs J-31 because it's not even like they are trying to hide it...


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Postby The Sotoan Union » Wed Aug 06, 2014 2:23 pm

Vamtrl wrote:
Inyourfaceistan wrote:Are you trying to suggest that J-31 might potentially have used stolen concepts from pathetic western F-35?



Oh perish that thought! :shock:

A partial list of compromised designs include the F-35 fifth generation fighter jet, the V-22 Osprey, THAAD missile defense, Patriot missile defense, AIM-120 Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile, the Global Hawk high altitude surveillance drone. Hackers also accessed Personally Identifiable Information, including vast quantities of military email addresses, SSN, credit card numbers, and passwords.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/china-ha ... z39eIjKpuf


Weapon designs and technologies compromised
SYSTEM DESIGNS

Terminal High Altitude Area Defense

Patriot Advanced Capability-3

Extended Area Protection and Survivability System (EAPS)

F-35

V-22

C-17

Hawklink

Advanced Harpoon Weapon Control System

Tanker Conversions

Long-term Mine Reconnaissance System

Global Hawk

Navy antenna mechanisms

Global Freight Management System

Micro Air Vehicle

Brigade Combat Team Modernization

Aegis Ballistic Missile Defense System

USMC Tracked Combat Vehicles

Warfighter Information Network-Tactical (WIN-T)

T700 Family of Engines

Full Authority Digital Engine Controller (FADEC)

UH-60 Black Hawk

AMRAAM (AIM-120 Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile)

Affordable Weapons System

Littoral Combat Ship

Navy Standard Missile (SM-2,3,6)

P-8A/Multi-Mission Aircraft

F/A and EA-18

RC-135 Detect./Collect.

Mk54 Light Weight Torpedo

TECHNOLOGIES

Directed Energy

UAV video system

Specific Emitter identification

Nanotechnology

Dual Use Avionics

Fuze/Munitions safety and development

Electronic Intelligence Processing

Tactical Data Links

Satellite Communications

Electronic Warfare

Advanced Signal Processing Technologies for Radars

Nanostructured Metal Matrix Composite for Light Weight Ballistic Armor

Vision-aided Urban Navigation & Collision Avoidance for Class I Unmanned Air Vehicles (UAV)

Space Surveillance Telescope

Materials/processing technologies

IR Search and Track systems

Electronic Warfare systems

Electromagnetic Aircraft Launch

Rail Gun

Side Scan sonar

Mode 5 IFF

Export Control, ITAR, Distribution Statement B,C,D Technical Information

CAD drawings, 3D models, schematics

Software code

Critical technology

Vendor/supply chain data

Technical manuals

PII (email addresses, SSN, credit card numbers, passwords, etc.)

Attendee lists for program reviews and meetings

Url: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/nat ... story.html

Not our precious rail guns!

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Postby Vamtrl » Wed Aug 06, 2014 2:29 pm

The Sotoan Union wrote:
Vamtrl wrote:
Oh perish that thought! :shock:




Not our precious rail guns!


Nothing is sacred to them. :(

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Aug 06, 2014 2:31 pm

Vamtrl wrote:
The Sotoan Union wrote:Not our precious rail guns!


Nothing is sacred to them. :(
Well come on man... Its fucking RAIL GUNS. Who does not want rail guns? I can understand stealing info on it.
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Postby GraySoap » Wed Aug 06, 2014 2:33 pm

Inyourfaceistan wrote:Are you trying to suggest that J-31 might potentially have used stolen concepts from pathetic western F-35?

Absolutely hilarious.

But then again, China doesn't have a cultural rule against copying. It is acceptable to copy others' work, even in school.
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Postby Inyourfaceistan » Wed Aug 06, 2014 2:33 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Vamtrl wrote:
Nothing is sacred to them. :(
Well come on man... Its fucking RAIL GUNS. Who does not want rail guns? I can understand stealing info on it.


Anyone who understands the definition of AShM...


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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Aug 06, 2014 2:34 pm

GraySoap wrote:
Inyourfaceistan wrote:Are you trying to suggest that J-31 might potentially have used stolen concepts from pathetic western F-35?

Absolutely hilarious.

But then again, China doesn't have a cultural rule against copying. It is acceptable to copy others work, even in school.

I thought that fifth generation fighter craft, in order to work at maximum efficiency, have to have a certain design so would it not make sense for them to look similar?

But then again i know fuck all about how air craft work.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Aug 06, 2014 2:35 pm

Inyourfaceistan wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Well come on man... Its fucking RAIL GUNS. Who does not want rail guns? I can understand stealing info on it.


Anyone who understands the definition of AShM...

Dont know what that is.
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Postby Inyourfaceistan » Wed Aug 06, 2014 2:52 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Inyourfaceistan wrote:
Anyone who understands the definition of AShM...

Dont know what that is.


Anti-Ship Missile. It can kill a ship with a rail gun long before the rail gun ship ever knows what's coming.
Realistically speaking between 300 - 400km away, with one particular weapon that can do 600km. A rail gun can only engage stationary ground targets and it's only advantage is that it flies really fast and is cheaper than Tomahawk or Kh-55 missiles, both of which make the range on the rail gun look pitiful.

Anyway sorry for thread jack.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Aug 06, 2014 2:53 pm

Inyourfaceistan wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Dont know what that is.


Anti-Ship Missile. It can kill a ship with a rail gun long before the rail gun ship ever knows what's coming.
Realistically speaking between 300 - 400km away, with one particular weapon that can do 600km. A rail gun can only engage stationary ground targets and it's only advantage is that it flies really fast and is cheaper than Tomahawk or Kh-55 missiles, both of which make the range on the rail gun look pitiful.

Anyway sorry for thread jack.

Ahh.. interesting. Also yeah sorry about the thread jack.

Bad china, come up with your own stuff.
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Postby Rio Cana » Wed Aug 06, 2014 2:55 pm

Found another news source which goes into much more detail then the OP's source. And it really seems China has been looking the other way when it came to these Canadians. Seems they were involved in spreading there religion to NK. people who came into China. Some of them went back. NK. most likely knows about those Canadians and most likely considers them a problem. Most likely they have complained to China about it. If they did, it seems China has done nothing until now because of this Canadian accusation.

Then we have the problem with right leaning Canadian politicians being divided on how to treat China.

The Article - http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2014/0 ... -Khp-mPLcs
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Wed Aug 06, 2014 2:56 pm

Inyourfaceistan wrote:
Deusaeuri wrote:Probably not, considering he didn't mention either of those.


He implied China probably stole research from other countries. I brought up F-35 vs J-31 because it's not even like they are trying to hide it...

With stealth shaping, there's only so much that can be done aesthetically.

However, I wouldn't put it past them, since the Z-9 is a carbon copy of the AS-365 Eurocopter.
I thought it was a copy, but apparently it is licensed.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Wed Aug 06, 2014 2:59 pm

Inyourfaceistan wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Dont know what that is.


Anti-Ship Missile. It can kill a ship with a rail gun long before the rail gun ship ever knows what's coming.
Realistically speaking between 300 - 400km away, with one particular weapon that can do 600km. A rail gun can only engage stationary ground targets and it's only advantage is that it flies really fast and is cheaper than Tomahawk or Kh-55 missiles, both of which make the range on the rail gun look pitiful.

Anyway sorry for thread jack.

The railgun programme is for shore bombardment, not ship-to-ship capability.

The goal is to achieve similar effect on target with hugely reduced target reaction time and the magazine capacity of a gun rather than a missile launcher.
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Postby Herskerstad » Wed Aug 06, 2014 3:43 pm

Canada's weak and third world army is in DIRE need of the glorious red arms of communist China. Tanks do not need gun depression anyway.
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Postby Vamtrl » Wed Aug 06, 2014 7:35 pm

Herskerstad wrote:Canada's weak and third world army is in DIRE need of the glorious red arms of communist China. Tanks do not need gun depression anyway.


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Postby Empire of Narnia » Wed Aug 06, 2014 7:42 pm

I am very disappointed towards my fellow countrymen for their underhanded and unjust actions against the People's Republic of China. I wish to see that they are prosecuted to the fullest extant of the law. People like this do not represent Canada, our people or the Canadian government in any way. Canadians love China and we are very grateful to have China as a trading partner and ally.

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Postby Cyrisnia » Wed Aug 06, 2014 7:45 pm

Herskerstad wrote:Canada's weak and third world army is in DIRE need of the glorious red arms of communist China. Tanks do not need gun depression anyway.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Aug 06, 2014 7:49 pm

They spied against China, so China's prosecuting them. I see no problem with this.

So what if it happens shortly after some other incident in Canada? It doesn't mean China makes things up.

Is America no longer allowed to arrest people for spying because of the Berlin incident? No. Sovereign states have the right to arrest and punish people who spy against them.

I support China.
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Postby Inyourfaceistan » Wed Aug 06, 2014 7:51 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:They spied against China, so China's prosecuting them. I see no problem with this.

So what if it happens shortly after some other incident in Canada? It doesn't mean China makes things up.

Is America no longer allowed to arrest people for spying because of the Berlin incident? No. Sovereign states have the right to arrest and punish people who spy against them.

I support China.


Do we know that they spied against them?

If not this would be like the US just randomly detaining two Russian tourists and being like "lulz spies"...


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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Aug 06, 2014 7:52 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:They spied against China, so China's prosecuting them. I see no problem with this.

So what if it happens shortly after some other incident in Canada? It doesn't mean China makes things up.

Is America no longer allowed to arrest people for spying because of the Berlin incident? No. Sovereign states have the right to arrest and punish people who spy against them.

I support China.


Oh Kefka, you're so naive. You need evidence for these things, to quote Inyourface, you can't just say "lul spies".
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