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Is genocide ever justified?

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Postby Organized States » Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:10 pm

Rio de Fuego wrote:
Viritica wrote:Israel isn't their territory. The State of Palestine is.

True enough but when the state of Palestine is centered around the exact same land, who has a greater claim to it?

Clearly Britain and the Ottoman Empire...
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Postby Great Zionist Israel » Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:10 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Great Zionist Israel wrote:No, the wiping out of Hamas is commendable.

Are you talking about Hamas militants, Gazans, or all Palestinians?

Hamas, Hamas supporters, Hamas terrorists and all who support or enable them.
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Postby Viritica » Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:10 pm

Rio de Fuego wrote:
Viritica wrote:Israel isn't their territory. The State of Palestine is.

True enough but when the state of Palestine is centered around the exact same land, who has a greater claim to it?

I don't understand what you mean.

The Jews have claim to Israel and the Palestinians have claim to the State of Palestine.

It's that simple.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:10 pm

Parhe wrote:
Great Zionist Israel wrote:No, the wiping out of Hamas is commendable.

Perhaps but Hamas is not identical to Palestinian.

Great Zionist Israel wrote:No, it's not, as demonstrated by the existence of Israel.

Being illegal doesn't make it "wrong" and being legal doesn't make it "right."


It's sort of scary that a group of people who were put through a genocide and know what it feels like now seems to be advocating the genocide of another group on account of what only a few do.
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Postby Saruhan » Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:10 pm

Viritica wrote:
Rio de Fuego wrote:If it's in Israel than yes it is, regardless of any biblical claim to the land the Arabs have lived their for years now and it is their territory

Israel isn't their territory. The State of Palestine is.

Israel only came into existence after a unilateral declaration of independence by a organization of several terrorist groups, which then proceeded to forcibly expel most of the residents of the area in favour of settlers from Europe. If anyone doesn't belong in that region, it's the Ashkenazis who have moved in recently
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Postby Great Zionist Israel » Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:10 pm

Kumuri wrote:
Upper America wrote:that land should really belong to everyone

All land should belong to everyone.

But no, genocide is never justified.

Why not?
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Postby Albul » Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:10 pm

Genocide is only justified if both parties consent to it via a rigid, bureaucratic, and democratic process. Afterwards, it must be done in the most humane way possible. Anything else is a pure atrocity.
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Postby United States of The One Percent » Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:10 pm

Either:

1. You're fucking kidding, or

2. You're the author of the post that was deleted and are trying to replay it here. In which case, and at considerable risk of invoking Godwin's Law, read the following, then take a damn close look at yourself.

The sad reality is that Gernay gets it, but its hands are being tied by world leaders who over the past six years have insisted they are such good friends with the German state, that they know more regarding its interests than even they do. But there's going to have to come a time where Germany feels threatened enough where it has no other choice but to defy international warnings - because this is life or death.

Most of the reports coming from Jewish officials and leaders since the start of this operation have been either largely exaggerated or patently false. The truth is, it's not their fault, falsehood and deceit is part of the very fabric of who they are and that will never change. Still however, despite their propensity to lie, when your enemy tells you that they are bent on your destruction you believe them...They say the definition of insanity is repeating the same mistakes over and over. History is there to teach us lessons and the lesson here is that when your enemy swears to destroy you - you take him seriously.

The Jews have stated forthrightly that they idealize death as much as Germany celebrates life. What other way then is there to deal with an enemy of this nature other than obliterate them completely?

...If you'll counter, that Jews have been seen abusing civilians who have attempted to leave their homes in response to German warnings to leave - well then, your beginning to come to terms with the nature of this enemy which should automatically cause the rules of standard warfare to be suspended.

Everyone agrees that Germany has the right to defend itself as well as the right to exercise that right...It seems then that the only point of contention is regarding the measure of punishment meted out in this situation.
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Postby Great Argonia » Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:10 pm

No genocide is not ok, but I support Israels right to self defense. I mean for gods sake, HAMAS excuse for killing Israelismis "Their just jews" like damn, they are modern day nazis. Not all Palistinians are bad, just like not all Germans are nazis, but HAMAS is evil, and people that say ISRAEL has no right to fight them are either misinformed, or just bad people in general. Now I get there are 2 sides to a story, but Israel isnt calling for the destruction of an entire race.
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Postby Planita » Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:10 pm

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Postby Geilinor » Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:10 pm

Great Zionist Israel wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Are you talking about Hamas militants, Gazans, or all Palestinians?

Hamas, Hamas supporters, Hamas terrorists and all who support or enable them.

Who counts as a supporter or enabler?
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:11 pm

Great Zionist Israel wrote:
Kumuri wrote:All land should belong to everyone.

But no, genocide is never justified.

Why not?

Because it's mass murder.
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Postby Great Zionist Israel » Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:11 pm

District XIV wrote:
Great Zionist Israel wrote:the Palestinians are illegally occupying land which actually belongs to Israel

Prove it.

Without the Bible, please.

Becuase the Jews are the Chosen People of God. And of course the Holy Bible is a valid source.
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Postby Rio de Fuego » Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:11 pm

Viritica wrote:
Rio de Fuego wrote:True enough but when the state of Palestine is centered around the exact same land, who has a greater claim to it?

I don't understand what you mean.

The Jews have claim to Israel and the Palestinians have claim to the State of Palestine.

It's that simple.

I get that, but when those to claims are the exact same tract of land who's claim is greater. Those who lived there for centuries or those who lived there a millennium ago
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Postby Margno » Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:11 pm

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There was consensus. On nationstates. Guys, that just happened.
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Postby Viritica » Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:11 pm

Great Zionist Israel wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Are you talking about Hamas militants, Gazans, or all Palestinians?

Hamas, Hamas supporters, Hamas terrorists and all who support or enable them.

There are plenty of Palestinians who support Hamas but haven't committed any violent acts.

Should they be wiped out? Sure, they support assholes. But that doesn't justify killing them.
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Postby Planita » Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:11 pm

Planita wrote:Jesus, you Jews want a "pure" homeland so bad, you are willing to KILL people to achieve that? No offense bu that reminds me of the Nazis.

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Postby Mizrad » Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:11 pm

Genocide is never justified unless, as stated on the first page the last person from a race tried to kill you and you killed him/her in self defence. However switching over to the topic of Palestine, I would just like to point out the fact that name comes from a Hebrew word that actually means invader. Just saying.
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Postby Planita » Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:12 pm

Great Zionist Israel wrote:
District XIV wrote:Prove it.

Without the Bible, please.

Becuase the Jews are the Chosen People of God. And of course the Holy Bible is a valid source.

bullshit
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Postby Threlizdun » Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:12 pm

Planita wrote:Jesus, you Jews want a "pure" homeland so bad, you are willing to KILL people to achieve that? No offense bu that reminds me of the Nazis.

It's worse than the Nazis. The average civilian member of the Nazi Party knew the Jews were suffering horrible persecution and being detained, but they didn't know they were being systematically murdered. This person does know what is happening and is advocating it. This is what is preventing any lasting peace in Israel. People like this don't even see the Palestinians as human beings any more, just the enemy. This happens on both sides, but the clearly more powerful side has an even greater obligation to try to put an end to the violence than the weaker side does. As long as these attitudes remain prevalent Hamas will exist. This advocacy of state terrorism by Israel can only result in terrorism by Hamas.
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Postby Viritica » Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:12 pm

Rio de Fuego wrote:
Viritica wrote:I don't understand what you mean.

The Jews have claim to Israel and the Palestinians have claim to the State of Palestine.

It's that simple.

I get that, but when those to claims are the exact same tract of land who's claim is greater. Those who lived there for centuries or those who lived there a millennium ago

I believe they both have claim to the land, which is why I'm a supporter of the two-state solution.

I don't consider either claim to be greater than the other at this point.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:12 pm

Great Zionist Israel wrote:
District XIV wrote:Prove it.

Without the Bible, please.

Becuase the Jews are the Chosen People of God. And of course the Holy Bible is a valid source.


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Postby United States of The One Percent » Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:12 pm

Great Zionist Israel wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Are you talking about Hamas militants, Gazans, or all Palestinians?

Hamas, Hamas supporters, Hamas terrorists and all who support or enable them.


And anyone who knows someone who knows someone who belongs to one of the above categories, and all those who could have done something to kill any of the foregoing but didn't, and anyone who says genocide isn't ever justified, and...and...and...
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Postby MERIZoC » Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:12 pm

Great Zionist Israel wrote:
District XIV wrote:Prove it.

Without the Bible, please.

Becuase the Jews are the Chosen People of God. And of course the Holy Bible is a valid source.

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