Is genocide ever justified?

[Wisconsin9]

No it is not justified and if Israel acts like it is then the next Hitler is going to have a much easier time.

[Margno]

No. /thread.

No, it's never justified.

Nope. Genocide isn't justified, ever.

Why not?

You know damn well why not. There hasn't been one person in the history of the world who didn't know at bottom that genocide was wrong. If you think you're an exception, you're fooling yourself.

[Saruhan]

Do you not understand how democracy works?

Let me explain it to you Hamas isn't elected they are terrorist militants, the Palestinian Authority is elected. Hamas can no more be elected than the taliban

Palestinians have the right to self defence. Hamas is only in any sort of popularity because they're the only ones who will stand up to Israeli agression

[Persian Soviet Republics]

Their country elected Hamas. That doesn't mean they ever personally supported them.

Do you not understand how democracy works?

Yeah, their country elected Hamas. Just like how 90% of the German people voted for Adolf Hitler to wield absolute power. That's exactly how 'democracy' works. Not to mention the suppression of Palestinian rights, freedom of speech, right to trial, freedom of movement, restriction of resources like clean water, blocking of UN's attempt to deliver food. This is absolutely appalling.

Former US president Jimmy Carter agrees with me, check out his fantastic book 'Palestine: Peace not Apartheid'

[Upper America]

Their country elected Hamas. That doesn't mean they ever personally supported them.

Do you not understand how democracy works?

People voted for Mitt Romney in 2012, but that doesn't necessarily mean they supported the GOP.

No. Genocide should never be an option. You're killing hundreds of unarmed, innocent people who want nothing to do with whatever is going on. Whether it be like Hitler's Holocaust, Stalin's mass starvations, Pol Pot's forced labor, or just plain marching into a city and shooting anything that moves, it should never happen, and anyone found guilty of it punished severely.

Stalin never had any 'mass starvations' that is just stupid. Nobody deliberately causes a famine. Why would he do that, it would completely cripple the infrastructure of the USSR! And would not benefit him in any way whatsoever. Here is what REALLY happened:

There was a drought in the Ukraine, and there was a crop shortage, so the Kulaks (Land Lords) began hoarding the grain and raising the prices so they could get rich off of the people's suffering which prevented people in the cities from getting fed. This caused MASS starvation. It is because of this that the Soviet government stepped in and kicked the Kulaks off the farm and replaced them with people who actually wanted to work, and began producing grain for the people in the cities.

People that claim Stalin some how starved 50 million people to death or whatever for some reason do not seem to understand that people need to eat, and there was mass starvation. What should he have done, let the people in the cities starve to death while the Kulaks were getting rich off of it? I think not.

Even if these claims were true, it still wouldn't be a genocide. A genocide is the killing of a group of people based on their race, ethnicity, nationality, or religion.

Ok, then if mass starvations aren't genocide, think of all the other things Stalin's USSR did. Like the Great Purge in Mongolia?

[Planita]

What the fuck do you mean "why not"?

Why is genocide never justified? Yes, genocide should be avoided whenever possible but why is it some sacred cow that must never be touched?

maybe it has something to do with killing lots of people

[Ninja Kittens]

No.

I would write more, but I don't really feel like I need to defend this point of view. There should never be a time when genocide is considered the right course of action.

[Geilinor]

What kind of twisted stuff are you being fed? Great Britain and the USA put the Jews on that land after the holocaust. The Palestinians got mad, and so did the rest of the Arab world. I didn't know Israel had some kind of North Korea-esque propaganda machine, I thought they were better than that. Whatever you're being told, it's not correct.

There is a group called JIDF that gets paid by the Israeli government to spread propaganda

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Int ... ense_Force

I don't see "paid by the Israeli government" in that article.

[Great Zionist Israel]

Why is genocide never justified? Yes, genocide should be avoided whenever possible but why is it some sacred cow that must never be touched?

...Because it's pretty much the most horrible act that can be committed? That good enough for you?

No, the most horrible act that can be committed is the wiping out of the Jewish people. We are talking about potential genocide of philistines, not jews, here.

Of course genocide should be avoided at all costs but if it is needed as a last resort to restore peace and normality to the Jews of Israel, so be it. Population relocation is still preferable to genocide though.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

No. /thread.

No, it's never justified.

Nope. Genocide isn't justified, ever.

Why not?

You're seriously asking why? Holy shit.

[Rio de Fuego]

Let me explain it to you Hamas isn't elected they are terrorist militants, the Palestinian Authority is elected. Hamas can no more be elected than the taliban

Palestinians have the right to self defence. Hamas is only in any sort of popularity because they're the only ones who will stand up to Israeli agression

That I can agree with, they represent how extreme desperation can drive people to side with a group that is morally dubious. Also Hamas has come out and said they just want the siege lifted they don't just kill jews.

[Margno]

Their country elected Hamas. That doesn't mean they ever personally supported them.

Do you not understand how democracy works?

Democracy means that more than fifty percent of the general population voted for them. It does not mean that any given Palestinian is a Hamas supporter.

[Great Zionist Israel]

Let me explain it to you Hamas isn't elected they are terrorist militants, the Palestinian Authority is elected. Hamas can no more be elected than the taliban

Palestinians have the right to self defence.

Not while they are illegally occupying Jewish land, no they don't.

Hamas is only in any sort of popularity because they're the only ones who will stand up to Israeli agression

Rightful "aggression" which they have no right to "stand up" against.

[The Sanguinian Islands]

There is a group called JIDF that gets paid by the Israeli government to spread propaganda

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Int ... ense_Force

I don't see "paid by the Israeli government" in that article.

http://www.thejidf.org/ they claim it here

[Great Zionist Israel]

Do you not understand how democracy works?

Democracy means that more than fifty percent of the general population voted for them. It does not mean that any given Palestinian is a Hamas supporter.

It means that the majority are, though.

[District XIV]

Fuckity fuck fucking no.

Genocide is a disgustingly terrible thing.

[Rio de Fuego]

...Because it's pretty much the most horrible act that can be committed? That good enough for you?

No, the most horrible act that can be committed is the wiping out of the Jewish people. We are talking about potential genocide of [ur;=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filastin]philistines[/url], not jews, here.

Of course genocide should be avoided at all costs but if it is needed as a last resort to restore peace and normality to the Jews of Israel, so be it. Population relocation is still preferable to genocide though.

No that is not the most horrible crime, this is a perfect example of why Zionism is a rhetoric of hate that values Jews above all others

[Viritica]

...Because it's pretty much the most horrible act that can be committed? That good enough for you?

No, the most horrible act that can be committed is the wiping out of the Jewish people. We are talking about potential genocide of [ur;=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filastin]philistines[/url], not jews, here.

Of course genocide should be avoided at all costs but if it is needed as a last resort to restore peace and normality to the Jews of Israel, so be it. Population relocation is still preferable to genocide though.

The genocide of anyone is bad and is the most horrible act that can be committed.

[Organized States]

Just because a certain group that doesn't need to be named (who are a minority), happen to operate in that certain area, doesn't mean you can kill them all.

That's like saying all Afghanis are the Taliban.

[Upper America]

What kind of twisted stuff are you being fed? Great Britain and the USA put the Jews on that land after the holocaust. The Palestinians got mad, and so did the rest of the Arab world. I didn't know Israel had some kind of North Korea-esque propaganda machine, I thought they were better than that. Whatever you're being told, it's not correct.

You don't know the half of Israeli brainwashing, ever heard of Hasbarrah?

Nope, never heard of it. Really, I thought Israel would be better than that.

[Persian Soviet Republics]

...Because it's pretty much the most horrible act that can be committed? That good enough for you?

No, the most horrible act that can be committed is the wiping out of the Jewish people. We are talking about potential genocide of [ur;=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filastin]philistines[/url], not jews, here.

Of course genocide should be avoided at all costs but if it is needed as a last resort to restore peace and normality to the Jews of Israel, so be it. Population relocation is still preferable to genocide though.

Are you stupid? Jewish lives are not worth more than anybody else's lives what separates Zionist racial supremacism from that of the Nazis? What separates the need of a pure Jewish state from Hitler's pure Aryan state? You can't tell me the difference because all Zionists are is abunch of whining hypocrites. GO HOME

[Parhe]

...Because it's pretty much the most horrible act that can be committed? That good enough for you?

No, the most horrible act that can be committed is the wiping out of the Jewish people. We are talking about potential genocide of [ur;=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filastin]philistines[/url], not jews, here.

Of course genocide should be avoided at all costs but if it is needed as a last resort to restore peace and normality to the Jews of Israel, so be it. Population relocation is still preferable to genocide though.

So, uh, why is genocide of Jewish people worse than genocide of the Philistines? Both are very horrible. Unless you get very specific and take into account some statistics that say world wide Jews outnumber Palestinians by two or six million.

EDIT: Even speaking that way, the "worse" would be the genocide of the Han Chinese, if limited to one "nation."

[Rio de Fuego]

Palestinians have the right to self defence.

Not while they are illegally occupying Jewish land, no they don't.

Hamas is only in any sort of popularity because they're the only ones who will stand up to Israeli agression

Rightful "aggression" which they have no right to "stand up" against.

Ok so when you are removed from your home, transported to a tiny piece of land and then shot at you wont stand up

[Steakrim]

I love Israel, but genocide is NEVER an option.

[The Sanguinian Islands]

...Because it's pretty much the most horrible act that can be committed? That good enough for you?

No, the most horrible act that can be committed is the wiping out of the Jewish people. We are talking about potential genocide of [ur;=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filastin]philistines[/url], not jews, here.

Of course genocide should be avoided at all costs but if it is needed as a last resort to restore peace and normality to the Jews of Israel, so be it. Population relocation is still preferable to genocide though.

This is why I feel bad to be jewish on my mom's side