The Mod-Sanctioned Scottish Referendum Megathread

[The Nihilistic view]

The final poll for the Quebec independence referendum showed the Yes vote leading 47-41. It lost 50.58-49.42. Anything can still happen.
I still don't agree with the simple 51/49 majority required for the referendum to pass. Something as big as this should require a super majority of at least 60%. If the result were 51-49% to Yes, you have just alienated almost half of your country's population.

Difference was how many undecideds remained to shift the Quebec vote.

I think it's about 10% don't knows at the moment.

[Angleter]

New poll by YouGov for tomorrow's Sunday Times - 51% Yes, 49% No. We're getting into Quebec 1995 territory now, where Better Together will have to pull something massive out of the hat if they want to save this.

The final poll for the Quebec independence referendum showed the Yes vote leading 47-41. It lost 50.58-49.42. Anything can still happen.
I still don't agree with the simple 51/49 majority required for the referendum to pass. Something as big as this should require a super majority of at least 60%. If the result were 51-49% to Yes, you have just alienated almost half of your country's population.

True, anything could happen, but that's rather the point. What was probably something like 90% likely to be a No victory a week or two ago, is now 50-50, on a knife-edge. Yes obviously have the momentum, and they could already be leading. I also don't expect the famous Unity Rally in 1995 in Quebec (the only real serious suggestion for why the unionists prevailed in Quebec that doesn't boil down to 'the pollsters were crap') to be replicated in Scotland.

As for needing a supermajority of some sort, there's (bad) precedent for this in Scotland. A devolution referendum in 1979 turned out a slim majority for devolution, but since less than 40% of the entire electorate voted Yes, the referendum was considered to have failed and no devolution was introduced. This essentially turned a large chunk of Scottish public opinion in favour of devolution, on the grounds that "Scotland Said Yes." If a supermajority were required this time (and Yes won but didn't achieve that supermajority), it'd almost certainly have much the same effect.

[Angleter]

Of course it doesn't make sense.

It is racism

I know, I know. Just being from the US, I can't understand why white people would be racist to white people...

And there goes the whiteness meter...

There is quite a long history of white people being racist to other white people in the United States.

[The Blaatschapen]

I know, I know. Just being from the US, I can't understand why white people would be racist to white people...

And there goes the whiteness meter...

There is quite a long history of white people being racist to other white people in the United States.

How the Irish became white...

But that's a bit too off-topic for here :0

[Briwen]

Of course it doesn't make sense.

It is racism

I know, I know. Just being from the US, I can't understand why white people would be racist to white people...

And there goes the whiteness meter...

because races dont exist. It`s made up. You can discriminate agaisnt anything, agaisnt food, agaisnt color of hair eyes skinn, against body in general, against laguage..etc the list is endless.....
Neverth less the independance vote has nothing to do with racism, it is just that england sucks.

[Angleter]

Neverth less the independance vote has nothing to do with racism, it is just that england sucks.

This isn't serious, right?

[Bandwagon]

Why don't the Scottish play shinty that much., I'm watching a game of good old Irish hurling.

[Organized States]

Neverth less the independance vote has nothing to do with racism, it is just that england sucks.

This isn't serious, right?

He's serious. It's all he's talked about in this thread.

[Angleter]

Why don't the Scottish play shinty that much., I'm watching a game of good old Irish hurling.

Because they only have shinty-six days left to live.

[Kingdoms of Cal]

The final poll for the Quebec independence referendum showed the Yes vote leading 47-41. It lost 50.58-49.42. Anything can still happen.
I still don't agree with the simple 51/49 majority required for the referendum to pass. Something as big as this should require a super majority of at least 60%. If the result were 51-49% to Yes, you have just alienated almost half of your country's population.

True, anything could happen, but that's rather the point. What was probably something like 90% likely to be a No victory a week or two ago, is now 50-50, on a knife-edge. Yes obviously have the momentum, and they could already be leading. I also don't expect the famous Unity Rally in 1995 in Quebec (the only real serious suggestion for why the unionists prevailed in Quebec that doesn't boil down to 'the pollsters were crap') to be replicated in Scotland.

As for needing a supermajority of some sort, there's (bad) precedent for this in Scotland. A devolution referendum in 1979 turned out a slim majority for devolution, but since less than 40% of the entire electorate voted Yes, the referendum was considered to have failed and no devolution was introduced. This essentially turned a large chunk of Scottish public opinion in favour of devolution, on the grounds that "Scotland Said Yes." If a supermajority were required this time (and Yes won but didn't achieve that supermajority), it'd almost certainly have much the same effect.

Basically in the 79 referendum those that couldn't be arse, couldn't get to the polling station for many reasons and a number of dead people voted against devolution. Not voting due to being dead was, effectively, a no vote. Not exactly a democratic vote.

[Kingdoms of Cal]

There is quite a long history of white people being racist to other white people in the United States.

How the Irish became white...

But that's a bit too off-topic for here :0

The thing is the yes movement has been studious in ensuring the English version scottish thing is not played on. Hell we have these guys http://www.englishscotsforyes.org/, always popular when they show up to Yes things, they bring tea...I'm not making that up.

The no side has bed fellows it is trying to hide like the orange order (marching the weekend before the vote) and far right nutters. Look up permitted participants scottish referendum in Google for a list. The now side has some people backing no they really hope no one notices. (Those are just the ones that ha e registered.).

[Glasgia]

This makes no sense.

I agree, what little of it that does exist makes no sense, but very little of that actually exists. That's just Daily Mail sensationalism you're reading - I think both the "Yes" campaign and the "No" campaign can agree that they're not the best source of information. They'e conveniently ignoring high-profile events such as the attack on Salmond's car, as well as the regular anti-Republican and pro-Union stabbings in Glasgow and elsewhere.

[Briwen]

Neverth less the independance vote has nothing to do with racism, it is just that england sucks.

This isn't serious, right?

why so serious. But I think it is reason enough to vote yes.

[Marcurix]

This isn't serious, right?

why so serious. But I think it is reason enough to vote yes.

It's neither an accurate or good reason, and anyone who votes along such lines should reconsider their priorities.

[Benian Republic]

Dear god I never thought I'd see Yes winning. If Salmond pulls this off, he's achieved something no Scottish leader has done for three hundred years: He'll kick out the English.

A lot of governments in Europe may begin to feel uneasy these days. I don't think we have a clear idea of the ramifications this could have for the unity of many countries.

Salmond is doing what he beloved is right so everyone should support this

[The Scientific States]

A lot of governments in Europe may begin to feel uneasy these days. I don't think we have a clear idea of the ramifications this could have for the unity of many countries.

Salmond is doing what he beloved is right so everyone should support this

What? Just because Salmond believes something to be right, it doesn't make him right. Is Salmond some sort of political deity who we should agree with on every issue? Of course not.

[Kingdoms of Cal]

This isn't serious, right?

why so serious. But I think it is reason enough to vote yes.

Westminster sucks, not England, a lot of English hate Westminster to. Don't tar the English, a good bunch by enlarge with the same brush.

I like the Yorkshire types, Northumberian, etc.

[The Nihilistic view]

why so serious. But I think it is reason enough to vote yes.

Westminster sucks, not England, a lot of English hate Westminster to. Don't tar the English, a good bunch by enlarge with the same brush.

I like the Yorkshire types, Northumberian, etc.

Most regions have quite a lot of hate of Westminster politics. Scotland is definitely not alone.

[Glasgia]

Westminster sucks, not England, a lot of English hate Westminster to. Don't tar the English, a good bunch by enlarge with the same brush.

I like the Yorkshire types, Northumberian, etc.

Most regions have quite a lot of hate of Westminster politics. Scotland is definitely not alone.

Independence for Bradford! Vote Galloway, 2015!

[Kingdoms of Cal]

Westminster sucks, not England, a lot of English hate Westminster to. Don't tar the English, a good bunch by enlarge with the same brush.

I like the Yorkshire types, Northumberian, etc.

Most regions have quite a lot of hate of Westminster politics. Scotland is definitely not alone.

So scotland has to stay, and drown, out of solidarity...or take the life boat we Have?

That seems to be the logic of the no left.

[Kingdoms of Cal]

Most regions have quite a lot of hate of Westminster politics. Scotland is definitely not alone.

Independence for Bradford! Vote Galloway, 2015!

Your welcome to that guy.

[The Nihilistic view]

Most regions have quite a lot of hate of Westminster politics. Scotland is definitely not alone.

Independence for Bradford! Vote Galloway, 2015!

Galloway for Palestinian Bradford!!!

[The Nihilistic view]

Most regions have quite a lot of hate of Westminster politics. Scotland is definitely not alone.

So scotland has to stay, and drown, out of solidarity...or take the life boat we Have?

That seems to be the logic of the no left.

It's a simple statement of fact. Not an argument either way.

[Kingdoms of Cal]

So scotland has to stay, and drown, out of solidarity...or take the life boat we Have?

That seems to be the logic of the no left.

It's a simple statement of fact. Not an argument either way.

The ft seems to think we can leave and do rather well.

[Glasgia]

Independence for Bradford! Vote Galloway, 2015!

Galloway for Palestinian Bradford!!!

Send the Jews to Partick! What d'ya mean they're already there? Kick the Jews out of Partick!