The Mod-Sanctioned Scottish Referendum Megathread

[Nationalist State of Knox]

New poll by YouGov for tomorrow's Sunday Times - 51% Yes, 49% No. We're getting into Quebec 1995 territory now, where Better Together will have to pull something massive out of the hat if they want to save this.

Polls are polls. Whilst they're a good approximation, they can't be expected to properly represent the final vote.

[Jinwoy]

New poll by YouGov for tomorrow's Sunday Times - 51% Yes, 49% No. We're getting into Quebec 1995 territory now, where Better Together will have to pull something massive out of the hat if they want to save this.

Polls are polls. Whilst they're a good approximation, they can't be expected to properly represent the final vote.

says the person in denial.
Though I agree, the no vote is almost still guaranteed to win.

[Organized States]

New poll by YouGov for tomorrow's Sunday Times - 51% Yes, 49% No. We're getting into Quebec 1995 territory now, where Better Together will have to pull something massive out of the hat if they want to save this.

So, who's gonna chase out Bears if the Typhoons leave?

[Respawn]

New poll by YouGov for tomorrow's Sunday Times - 51% Yes, 49% No. We're getting into Quebec 1995 territory now, where Better Together will have to pull something massive out of the hat if they want to save this.

The final poll for the Quebec independence referendum showed the Yes vote leading 47-41. It lost 50.58-49.42. Anything can still happen.
I still don't agree with the simple 51/49 majority required for the referendum to pass. Something as big as this should require a super majority of at least 60%. If the result were 51-49% to Yes, you have just alienated almost half of your country's population.

[The Nihilistic view]

New poll by YouGov for tomorrow's Sunday Times - 51% Yes, 49% No. We're getting into Quebec 1995 territory now, where Better Together will have to pull something massive out of the hat if they want to save this.

The final poll for the Quebec independence referendum showed the Yes vote leading 47-41. It lost 50.58-49.42. Anything can still happen.
I still don't agree with the simple 51/49 majority required for the referendum to pass. Something as big as this should require a super majority of at least 60%. If the result were 51-49% to Yes, you have just alienated almost half of your country's population.

I think what it should require is the negotiations to happen first and for parliament to spell out exactly what the new devolved powers would be in the event of a no vote. Then they vote on solid facts.

This decision is massive yet if the vote is yes they don't know what the settlement will be and if they vote no they don't know what the new powers will be. How can a people make such a choice when they have no idea in truth what they are voting for either way bar a flag and the name of their sovereign state?

[Organized States]

Here's how to keep Scotland in the Union in case of a no-vote.

"Scotland, you may have voted yes, but you can't leave until 2200."

[The Nihilistic view]

Here's how to keep Scotland in the Union in case of a no-vote.

"Scotland, you may have voted yes, but you can't leave until 2200."

Nah, we just pull an EU and keep making them vote until we get the answer we want. Then never ask them again.

[Organized States]

Here's how to keep Scotland in the Union in case of a no-vote.

"Scotland, you may have voted yes, but you can't leave until 2200."

Nah, we just pull an EU and keep making them vote until we get the answer we want. Then never ask them again.

That seems like a better idea.

[Bandwagon]

ALBA!

[Briwen]

Alba gu bràth!

[Bandwagon]

Alba go treun!

[KAS SRD]

I never thought I would see the day Scotland wimps out of a fight! Come on lads, we only need 22 to complete the set!!


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Did British soldiers have to invade the southern parts of French Africa during WW2?

[Organized States]

This makes no sense.

[Greed and Death]

This makes no sense.

The English fleeing the area has made the Pro secession vote more likely.

[Organized States]

This makes no sense.

The English fleeing the area has made the Pro secession vote more likely.

What I don't get, is the fact is, why are they being racist when both of them are considered white?

[KAS SRD]

The English fleeing the area has made the Pro secession vote more likely.

What I don't get, is the fact is, why are they being racist when both of them are considered white?

Scottish white>English white. Racism can exist between the same racial group.

[Davao and Mati]

If i were a Scot i will vote for yes because United Kingdom deserves a break after a long year of disagreements because of the HMNB Clyde and the Nuclear Weapons, and i hope that the Yes will win because Scotland deserves to be free!
and i cannot blame anyone who disagree to this post because anyone can freely say what they want even though i admired British Politics and the Empire.

[Organized States]

What I don't get, is the fact is, why are they being racist when both of them are considered white?

Scottish white>English white. Racism can exist between the same racial group.

Still doesn't make sense.


Federalization of the UK seems to be becoming a viable option.

[Vellosia]

This entire referendum is a symptom of the failure of Westminster politicians to engage the people that they serve and represent. The entire Yes campaign is based off of Westminster hate; and it's incredibly effective as the British public grow increasingly dissatisfied with a political elite that are completely out of touch and don't give a damn about the people until voting day. In England, fury at Westminster translates into UKIP votes. In Scotland, it translates into SNP votes & secessionist sentiment. They are two sides of the same coin, with the same root.

Even if 'No' wins (which I still think is the most likely outcome), it is only a temporary victory. The only way to defeat the Independence movement is to restore faith in Westminster, which will require some politicians with spine and belief; otherwise, there will simply be another referendum a decade or two later. Whether that will come to pass is another question in and of itself.

In a personal sense, I am utterly opposed to the dissolution of this United Kingdom. We have achieved so much together; I would be devastated if Scots chose to leave (and I honestly think they would come to regret their choice). I could extensively criticise the referendum process, but that would be unproductive at this stage. All that remains is for the Scottish people to make their choice.

[Jinwoy]

This entire referendum is a symptom of the failure of Westminster politicians to engage the people that they serve and represent. The entire Yes campaign is based off of Westminster hate; and it's incredibly effective as the British public grow increasingly dissatisfied with a political elite that are completely out of touch and don't give a damn about the people until voting day. In England, fury at Westminster translates into UKIP votes. In Scotland, it translates into SNP votes & secessionist sentiment. They are two sides of the same coin, with the same root.

Even if 'No' wins (which I still think is the most likely outcome), it is only a temporary victory. The only way to defeat the Independence movement is to restore faith in Westminster, which will require some politicians with spine and belief; otherwise, there will simply be another referendum a decade or two later. Whether that will come to pass is another question in and of itself.

In a personal sense, I am utterly opposed to the dissolution of this United Kingdom. We have achieved so much together; I would be devastated if Scots chose to leave (and I honestly think they would come to regret their choice). I could extensively criticise the referendum process, but that would be unproductive at this stage. All that remains is for the Scottish people to make their choice.

I love how people complain about how Scotland is under-represented considering they only have 10% of MP's in parliament, despite having 10% of the population of the rest of the UK.
They should get over such petty matters like Nationalism. How excessively childish and egregious.

[KAS SRD]

This entire referendum is a symptom of the failure of Westminster politicians to engage the people that they serve and represent. The entire Yes campaign is based off of Westminster hate; and it's incredibly effective as the British public grow increasingly dissatisfied with a political elite that are completely out of touch and don't give a damn about the people until voting day. In England, fury at Westminster translates into UKIP votes. In Scotland, it translates into SNP votes & secessionist sentiment. They are two sides of the same coin, with the same root.

Even if 'No' wins (which I still think is the most likely outcome), it is only a temporary victory. The only way to defeat the Independence movement is to restore faith in Westminster, which will require some politicians with spine and belief; otherwise, there will simply be another referendum a decade or two later. Whether that will come to pass is another question in and of itself.

In a personal sense, I am utterly opposed to the dissolution of this United Kingdom. We have achieved so much together; I would be devastated if Scots chose to leave (and I honestly think they would come to regret their choice). I could extensively criticise the referendum process, but that would be unproductive at this stage. All that remains is for the Scottish people to make their choice.

I agree. The UnitedKingdom was the world power for over 300 years and remains a great power even today. The influence of both will go down if a split takes place.

[Organized States]

This entire referendum is a symptom of the failure of Westminster politicians to engage the people that they serve and represent. The entire Yes campaign is based off of Westminster hate; and it's incredibly effective as the British public grow increasingly dissatisfied with a political elite that are completely out of touch and don't give a damn about the people until voting day. In England, fury at Westminster translates into UKIP votes. In Scotland, it translates into SNP votes & secessionist sentiment. They are two sides of the same coin, with the same root.

Even if 'No' wins (which I still think is the most likely outcome), it is only a temporary victory. The only way to defeat the Independence movement is to restore faith in Westminster, which will require some politicians with spine and belief; otherwise, there will simply be another referendum a decade or two later. Whether that will come to pass is another question in and of itself.

In a personal sense, I am utterly opposed to the dissolution of this United Kingdom. We have achieved so much together; I would be devastated if Scots chose to leave (and I honestly think they would come to regret their choice). I could extensively criticise the referendum process, but that would be unproductive at this stage. All that remains is for the Scottish people to make their choice.

I love how people complain about how Scotland is under-represented considering they only have 10% of MP's in parliament, despite having 10% of the population of the rest of the UK.
They should get over such petty matters like Nationalism. How excessively childish and egregious.

Federalize. Federalize. It's the only way!

[Greed and Death]

New poll by YouGov for tomorrow's Sunday Times - 51% Yes, 49% No. We're getting into Quebec 1995 territory now, where Better Together will have to pull something massive out of the hat if they want to save this.

The final poll for the Quebec independence referendum showed the Yes vote leading 47-41. It lost 50.58-49.42. Anything can still happen.
I still don't agree with the simple 51/49 majority required for the referendum to pass. Something as big as this should require a super majority of at least 60%. If the result were 51-49% to Yes, you have just alienated almost half of your country's population.

Difference was how many undecideds remained to shift the Quebec vote.

[The Blaatschapen]

Scottish white>English white. Racism can exist between the same racial group.

Still doesn't make sense.

Of course it doesn't make sense.

It is racism

[Organized States]

Still doesn't make sense.

Of course it doesn't make sense.

It is racism

I know, I know. Just being from the US, I can't understand why white people would be racist to white people...

And there goes the whiteness meter...