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What's your reaction to the referendum result?

Resident of Scotland - pleased with result
18
4%
Resident of Scotland - disappointed with result
22
5%
Resident of rUK - pleased with result
88
21%
Resident of rUK - disappointed with result
18
4%
Not a UK resident - pleased with result
164
38%
Not a UK resident - disappointed with result
119
28%
 
Total votes : 429

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Roski
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Postby Roski » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:15 pm

El Fiji Grande wrote:Wow. I had been sooooo worried that the Yes vote would win. So glad, so very glad that it has been defeated.


I was too, but slightly interested.
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Postby Roski » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:15 pm

New Chalcedon wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:
Yes, but many of us will consider West Dunbartonshire, North Lanarkshire and Inverclyde (which did vote No, by however narrow a margin) as being part of greater Glasgow.

So while Utceforp missed Dundee, "Yes only won in Dundee and parts of greater Glasgow" would be a fair enough comment.


Ah. Fair enough, then :)

Any particular idea why Glasgow was much more pro-indie than the rest of Scotland?


Very high Irish population.
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Postby Kaztropol » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:16 pm

a very tiny number of people on all sides, brought shame to Scotland as a whole. Maybe less than 100 people in total, I think.

the ones saying they wished Andy Murray had died at Dunblane, after he came out in favour of yes, the ones painting "vote yes or else", the ones that allegedly assaulted a blind man in George square, because of the badge he was wearing.

Those people should be ashamed. The world was watching, and they chose to be an ass. And that assery will get disproportionate coverage.

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Postby Alyakia » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:16 pm

salmond making statement
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Postby The Saint James Islands » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:17 pm

So...

Now the question is whether Moray or Highland will be the last to report results.
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Postby New Chalcedon » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:17 pm

Roski wrote:
El Fiji Grande wrote:Wow. I had been sooooo worried that the Yes vote would win. So glad, so very glad that it has been defeated.


I was too, but slightly interested.
What would Scotland do as an independent country?
Would they join NATO?


Probably - provided that the remainder of the UK didn't veto it, as gaining membership of NATO requires the unanimous consent of all current NATO members.

Would they ally with the Russian Federation?


Unlikely.

Would the immediately ask to be annexed by our lord and saviour Switzerland?


Eh, no. And if they did, I suspect the Swiss would just look at them funny, shake their heads and go on eating cheese with holes in it.
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Postby Distruzionopolis » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:17 pm

Yay! So happy!

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Postby McNernia » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:17 pm

Come on highlands. SEAL THE FATE OF THESE REBELS.
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Postby Alyakia » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:17 pm

The Archregimancy wrote:Poll up!


can we get a mixed option because well i'm kinda mixed
pro: good
anti: bad

The UK and EU are Better Together

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Postby Ganos Lao » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:17 pm

Roski wrote:
El Fiji Grande wrote:Wow. I had been sooooo worried that the Yes vote would win. So glad, so very glad that it has been defeated.


I was too, but slightly interested.
What would Scotland do as an independent country?
Would they join NATO?
Would they ally with the Russian Federation?
Would the immediately ask to be annexed by our lord and saviour Switzerland?


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Postby Fionnuala_Saoirse » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:18 pm

Thank fuck for that. My house should gain some good value out of this.

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Postby Liriena » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:18 pm

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Because the UK is still an empire. *nods*.

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Postby The Saint James Islands » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:18 pm

The Saint James Islands wrote:So...

Now the question is whether Moray or Highland will be the last to report results.

Scratch that. Highland will be the last.

57.56% No vote in Moray.
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Postby SuperFruitland » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:19 pm

Ganos Lao wrote:
Roski wrote:
I was too, but slightly interested.
What would Scotland do as an independent country?
Would they join NATO?
Would they ally with the Russian Federation?
Would the immediately ask to be annexed by our lord and saviour Switzerland?


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Postby Utceforp » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:19 pm

Alyakia wrote:salmond making statement

This should be interesting. Hopefully he's a follower of the Herman Cain school of political failure, and will do something hilarious/awesome as he admits defeat.
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Postby The Republic of Pantalleria » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:19 pm

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The Republic of Pantalleria wrote:I would have cried if they voted yes.


Oh, that's fair enough - I certainly don't object to supporters of the losing side of the vote crying into their beers. A certain sorrow is natural.

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Postby Roski » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:19 pm

The Saint James Islands wrote:
The Saint James Islands wrote:So...

Now the question is whether Moray or Highland will be the last to report results.

Scratch that. Highland will be the last.

57.56% No vote in Moray.


They had a lorry crash and shut down a major highway.

That's why Highlands is so late.
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Postby Kaztropol » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:19 pm

The Archregimancy wrote:Poll up!


I voted disappointed in result, because the very close vote in some areas means tensions between some communities will be high for quite a long time.

There are a lot of dafties who like to drink and get into fights, if they're not happy with the result, that's not good.

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Postby SuperFruitland » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:19 pm

The Saint James Islands wrote:
The Saint James Islands wrote:So...

Now the question is whether Moray or Highland will be the last to report results.

Scratch that. Highland will be the last.

57.56% No vote in Moray.


Then again, Moray was supposed to declare 4 hours 20 minutes ago...

EDIT: Ah, nvm, just saw the Moray declaration...
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Postby Utceforp » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:20 pm

Ganos Lao wrote:
Roski wrote:
I was too, but slightly interested.
What would Scotland do as an independent country?
Would they join NATO?
Would they ally with the Russian Federation?
Would the immediately ask to be annexed by our lord and saviour Switzerland?


Heretic. Everyone knows our Lord and Saviour is Lichtenstein. :lol:

The Vatican should annex Scotland. They're so cool, they don't even need a demonym.
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Postby New Chalcedon » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:21 pm

I do find one aspect particularly intriguing...the polls consistently painted a close "Yes" win - about 5% separating the "Yes" and "no" votes. Instead, the margin is about 10% - "Yes" 45%, "No" 55%.

I wonder why? Was it sampling errors, deliberate bias (nothing sells papers like a horse-race election, not a snoozer), some variant of the Bradley effect in play ("No" voters claiming to be undecided or "yes" voters out of some sense of social pressure), or something else?
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Postby El Fiji Grande » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:21 pm

SuperFruitLand wrote:
The Saint James Islands wrote:Scratch that. Highland will be the last.

57.56% No vote in Moray.


Then again, Moray was supposed to declare 4 hours 20 minutes ago...

EDIT: Ah, nvm, just saw the Moray declaration...

I thought they declared about an hour ago.....
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Postby The Saint James Islands » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:21 pm

Roski wrote:
The Saint James Islands wrote:Scratch that. Highland will be the last.

57.56% No vote in Moray.


They had a lorry crash and shut down a major highway.

That's why Highlands is so late.

I didn't remember which council had that problem. Thanks for making me feel like an idiot. :p
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