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by New Chalcedon » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:09 pm

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by New Chalcedon » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:10 pm
Liriena wrote:New Chalcedon wrote:
You do realize that Scotland wasn't conquered, right?
They (rather stupidly) invested 20% (or more; accounts differ) of the entire wealth of the realm into one, poorly-planned colony expedition - when it failed, Scotland's economy went into a recession that beggared the 1930s in comparison. When they went to England asking for help with the resulting financial crisis, the price Westminster demanded was agreement to the Acts of Union (there was also a background of laws and counter-laws regarding the Stuart succession, but that was of secondary importance to most - particularly since no Stuart monarch had set foot in Scotland for over a century except in time of war).
It wasn't conquest. It wasn't the "rough wooing" of Henry VIII, or even gunboat diplomacy. It was England pushing for legal unification with Scotland as the price of clearing massive Scottish debts - the two nations already having been in personal union for over a century. What's more, Scotland did massively well out of the Industrial Revolution specifically because the Union gave them access to English colonial markets, which they (as a foreign nation) had previously been shut out of.
Don't make it what it isn't. If you think Scotland should go its own way for any of a half-dozen reasons, fine and more power to you - but don't do it based on a heavily-slanted historiography.
Point most graciously taken.


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