The Mod-Sanctioned Scottish Referendum Megathread

[The Archregimancy]

Dr. Pangloss will try and claim a moral victory, and those who believed Dr. Pangloss will do likewise.

i don't get it. is this a political nickname or am i just uncultured?

It's a reference to Dr. Pangloss, a character in Voltaire's Candide, who gave us the English-language adjective 'panglossian'.

Pan·gloss·ian (adjective) \pan-ˈglä-sē-ən, paŋ-, -ˈglȯ-\

Definition of PANGLOSSIAN
: marked by the view that all is for the best in this best of possible worlds : excessively optimistic

Origin of PANGLOSSIAN
Pangloss, optimistic tutor in Voltaire's Candide (1759)
First Known Use: 1831

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/panglossian

[Ganos Lao]

Which means the United Kingdom stays UNITED.

At least until Wales decides to go all Greyjoy on the UK and pay the iron price for its own crown.

"Damn those blasted limeys! We kicked their ass once before, and we can do it again!"

[SuperFruitland]

Eh...bit late...

Did you hear the news?! Dundee just voted YES!

*puts down the newspaper*

It's definitely a Yes victory!

lol

Ermagerd, no.

Clackmannanshire voted No, so No wins.

*refrerendum ends before most councils start counting*

[New Laikland]

I beg my pardon.
So it'd come anywhere between 6th-12th?

Fourteenth, right ahead of Ireland. But of course, by leaving the UK, it would suffer a temporary drop, but then rise up again as Scotland's economy becomes way, way larger.

[Roski]

At least until Wales decides to go all Greyjoy on the UK and pay the iron price for its own crown.

"Damn those blasted limeys! We kicked their ass once before, and we can do it again!"

"Oh shite, are those German soldiers?"

[Utceforp]

Well, looks like it's all over for Yes now. Somewhat anticlimactic, but there you go.

[Deutsch-Brittannia]

Excellent. Now Westminster can start giving the English regions and cities more autonomy.

Or not.

Well there's plans to give Manchester (my city) greater autonomy since it has a larger economy than Wales and Northern Ireland. They damn well better or us 'barbarians' from Northern England will secede!

[Kaztropol]

Just heard that Glasgow voted yes. Wow.

Glasgow has been a somewhat divided city for a long time. Not helped by having two football teams whose supporters used to come from quite different religious and ethnic backgrounds.

Sometimes people in the two communities voted a certain way, because "those other people" were thought to be voting the other way.

depending on what part of Glasgow you visit, you can get the impression that this referendum was more about Northern Ireland, than Scotland.

[McNernia]

Highlands
Moray
Fire

Place your nonexistant bets folks.

[Jinwoy]

NO has won the referendum. You know my stance on this.

[New Chalcedon]

Why?

WHAT!?

I also support Catalonian independence.

I just have a thing for the independence of long-conquered and often-oppressed-or-ignored nationalities.

You do realize that Scotland wasn't conquered, right?

They (rather stupidly) invested 20% (or more; accounts differ) of the entire wealth of the realm into one, poorly-planned colony expedition - when it failed, Scotland's economy went into a recession that beggared the 1930s in comparison. When they went to England asking for help with the resulting financial crisis, the price Westminster demanded was agreement to the Acts of Union (there was also a background of laws and counter-laws regarding the Stuart succession, but that was of secondary importance to most - particularly since no Stuart monarch had set foot in Scotland for over a century except in time of war).

It wasn't conquest. It wasn't the "rough wooing" of Henry VIII, or even gunboat diplomacy. It was England pushing for legal unification with Scotland as the price of clearing massive Scottish debts - the two nations already having been in personal union for over a century. What's more, Scotland did massively well out of the Industrial Revolution specifically because the Union gave them access to English colonial markets, which they (as a foreign nation) had previously been shut out of.

Don't make it what it isn't. If you think Scotland should go its own way for any of a half-dozen reasons, fine and more power to you - but don't do it based on a heavily-slanted historiography.

[Ganos Lao]

"Damn those blasted limeys! We kicked their ass once before, and we can do it again!"

"Oh shite, are those German soldiers?"

"Men of Harlech, march to glory, Victory is hov'ring o'er ye......"

[Kaztropol]

Eh...bit late...

Did you hear the news?! Dundee just voted YES!

*puts down the newspaper*

It's definitely a Yes victory!

In September 1939, one of the Dundee newspapers ran with the headline: "Dundee woman breaks leg at train station"

lower down the front page "War with Nazi Germany!"

[New Laikland]

NO has won the referendum. You know my stance on this.

Bring on the Scottish Republican Army!

[Utceforp]

Highlands
Moray
Fire

Place your nonexistant bets folks.

Seeing as Glasgow is the only majority Yes vote so far, I'd bet that we'll be seeing No votes from those areas as well.

[New Chalcedon]

NO has won the referendum. You know my stance on this.

(Image)

So, in other words, you favour dragging the people back to the polls again and again until you get the answer you want?

That's shameful. A vote every decade or so is fine - we're talking about self-determination here - but planning another vote before this one's even settled reveals a certain spirit of poor losership.

[Roski]

Highlands NO, 61-39
Moray NO 54-46
Fire NO 58-42

Place your nonexistant bets folks.

The first is the only realistic bet. I am making a guess on Moray and Fire(?) based on the rest of the outcome.

[Dooom35796821595]

Or not.

Well there's plans to give Manchester (my city) greater autonomy since it has a larger economy than Wales and Northern Ireland. They damn well better or us 'barbarians' from Northern England will secede!

If any city is first in line for greater autonomy it's London, it has higher population and GDP then Scotland.

The time of the city states is returning

[Liriena]

I also support Catalonian independence.

I just have a thing for the independence of long-conquered and often-oppressed-or-ignored nationalities.

You do realize that Scotland wasn't conquered, right?

They (rather stupidly) invested 20% (or more; accounts differ) of the entire wealth of the realm into one, poorly-planned colony expedition - when it failed, Scotland's economy went into a recession that beggared the 1930s in comparison. When they went to England asking for help with the resulting financial crisis, the price Westminster demanded was agreement to the Acts of Union (there was also a background of laws and counter-laws regarding the Stuart succession, but that was of secondary importance to most - particularly since no Stuart monarch had set foot in Scotland for over a century except in time of war).

It wasn't conquest. It wasn't the "rough wooing" of Henry VIII, or even gunboat diplomacy. It was England pushing for legal unification with Scotland as the price of clearing massive Scottish debts - the two nations already having been in personal union for over a century. What's more, Scotland did massively well out of the Industrial Revolution specifically because the Union gave them access to English colonial markets, which they (as a foreign nation) had previously been shut out of.

Don't make it what it isn't. If you think Scotland should go its own way for any of a half-dozen reasons, fine and more power to you - but don't do it based on a heavily-slanted historiography.

Point most graciously taken.

[McNernia]

Even if all three remaining vote yes then the UK still stands?

[Alyakia]

Highlands
Moray
Fire

Place your nonexistant bets folks.

Seeing as Glasgow is the only majority Yes vote so far, I'd bet that we'll be seeing No votes from those areas as well.

there have been four yes votes. pay attention.

[SuperFruitland]

Fife votes "No"
HUZZAH HUZZAH

THE REFERENDUM HAS FALLEN

ALL HAIL THE UNITED KINGDOM

[Jinwoy]

NO has won the referendum. You know my stance on this.

(Image)

So, in other words, you favour dragging the people back to the polls again and again until you get the answer you want?

That's shameful. A vote every decade or so is fine - we're talking about self-determination here - but planning another vote before this one's even settled reveals a certain spirit of poor losership.

>is anti-Scottish independence
>that isn't even the picture I linked originally I swear check it again and if you don't believe me check my signature

[Liriena]

Well there's plans to give Manchester (my city) greater autonomy since it has a larger economy than Wales and Northern Ireland. They damn well better or us 'barbarians' from Northern England will secede!

If any city is first in line for greater autonomy it's London, it has higher population and GDP then Scotland.

The time of the city states is returning

Oh, my God, it's Italy all over again!

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

RULE BRITANNIA, BRITANNIA RULES THE WAVES!
Scotland's NEVER EVER EVER SHALL BE SLAVES.
Scotland votes so far:
Yes 45%
No 55%