The Mod-Sanctioned Scottish Referendum Megathread

[Wolfenium]

Just heard that Glasgow voted yes. Wow.

(Was watching a movie, so, I didn't know. Sorry if late. Lol)

it is, without a doubt, the absolutely least "wow" result from this referendum.

I find Inverclyde to be the most nail-biting result.

[Arcov]

At this point I can say: I"m glad I'm Irish, and not Scottish. Atleast we fought for our independence, and won, then became one of the richest countries on earth. Something Scotland would be preparing to do right now, but sadly, our Celtic brothers are screwed once more.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... P_(nominal) Ireland is 45-47th richest country on the planet.
For perspective, that's lower than Pakistan and Nigeria.

In total GDP, maybe, but GDP per capita indicates quality of life.

[Aravea]

US Constitution, Article Four, Section 3, Clause 1: "New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new States shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress."

And they flat out consented by allowing Texas to join. They ratified the treaty. It's not unconstitutional.

Can you guys quit complaining about the legality of the Texas annexation so that we can focus on Scotland?

[Wisconsin9]

US Constitution, Article Four, Section 3, Clause 1: "New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new States shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress."

And they flat out consented by allowing Texas to join. They ratified the treaty. It's not unconstitutional.

Whatever. Not the thread for this.

[Distruzionopolis]

Doesn't matter whatever agreement was hashed out. The highest law of the land is the Constitution, which requires that any land changes from states, including splits, mergers, and transfers, needs to be okay'd by Congress. The Texas Constitution, or whatever law or treaty says otherwise is unconstitutional, and Texans would be in for a rude surprise from SCOTUS if they argued otherwise.

The Constitution never outlawed secession or state changes, not once did it. SCOTUS ruled secession alone was unconstitutional. No where in the Constitution is this forbidden.

SCOTUS interprets the constitution. SCOTUS determined unilateral secession was illegal. Therefore, outside a congressional concession, secession is illegal.

[New Laikland]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... P_(nominal) Ireland is 45-47th richest country on the planet.
For perspective, that's lower than Pakistan and Nigeria.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... P_(nominal)_per_capita
#15

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... evelopment
#11

feels good bro

[Arcov]

Didn't Scotland fight for its independence also? I'm sure they weren't serving tea at Culloden.

They did. Their leader was tied to four horses and split in half.

There leader was Robert the Bruce, and he succeeded.

[The Archregimancy]

when your entire ideology is that the people of scotland are best equipped to make decisions for scotland it's basically impossible to not get a moral victory

Well, a perceived moral victory, anyway.

Dr. Pangloss will try and claim a moral victory, and those who believed Dr. Pangloss will do likewise.

[Auzkhia]

Highlands to be called very shortly.

Soon, I know "No" will win, but I really want to see all councils to declare the results.

[Arcov]

The Constitution never outlawed secession or state changes, not once did it. SCOTUS ruled secession alone was unconstitutional. No where in the Constitution is this forbidden.

SCOTUS interprets the constitution. SCOTUS determined unilateral secession was illegal. Therefore, outside a congressional concession, secession is illegal.

It's not secession, is it?

[Ainin]

At this point I can say: I"m glad I'm Irish, and not Scottish. Atleast we fought for our independence, and won, then became one of the richest countries on earth. Something Scotland would be preparing to do right now, but sadly, our Celtic brothers are screwed once more.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... P_(nominal) Ireland is 45-47th richest country on the planet.
For perspective, that's lower than Pakistan and Nigeria.

Total GDP is not how personal wealth is calculated.

[Ganos Lao]

Didn't Scotland fight for its independence also? I'm sure they weren't serving tea at Culloden.

They did. Their leader was tied to four horses and split in half.

Already knew that, old chap. I saw it in the news. Gentle Flo hid Bonnie Prince Charlie in the rocks.

[Jinos]

Doesn't matter whatever agreement was hashed out. The highest law of the land is the Constitution, which requires that any land changes from states, including splits, mergers, and transfers, needs to be okay'd by Congress. The Texas Constitution, or whatever law or treaty says otherwise is unconstitutional, and Texans would be in for a rude surprise from SCOTUS if they argued otherwise.

The Constitution never outlawed secession or state changes, not once did it. SCOTUS ruled secession alone was unconstitutional. No where in the Constitution is this forbidden.

Article IV. Section 3.

"New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress."

So no, you can't make new states without Congressional approval...

...well you could, but you'd need to amend the Constitution...which is also done through Congress...

[SuperFruitland]

Edinburgh votes "NO"

note the lack of all caps indicating my tiredness.

[Alyakia]

Well, a perceived moral victory, anyway.

Dr. Pangloss will try and claim a moral victory, and those who believed Dr. Pangloss will do likewise.

i don't get it. is this a political nickname or am i just uncultured?

[Tmutarakhan]

Pfft. Nope.

Whatever Texans SAY they can do regarding the territory of their state, they ACTUALLY need the permission of Congress to do it. Constitutionally by the way, not just legally.

Incorrect. Part of the deal for annexing Texas was that Texas could, at any point in time, spontaneously split in 5 separate states without approval by Congress. This was actually an often considered option during the slavery debates.

Incorrect. Part of the deal was that CONGRESS could split Texas into four pieces, and Congress did so, immediately, the four pieces being the state of Texas as we now know it, New Mexico Territory (from the Texas boundary west to the Rio Grande originally, merged with Arizona for a while then re-bordered), the Public Land Strip now the Oklahoma Panhandle, and a chunk of territory that is now part of Colorado.

[Arcov]

The Constitution never outlawed secession or state changes, not once did it. SCOTUS ruled secession alone was unconstitutional. No where in the Constitution is this forbidden.

Article IV. Section 3.

"New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress."

Already told Wisconsin. They consented by ratifying the Treaty, which was done through Congress.

[Insaeldor]

In all honestly even with the likely good of a no vote the SNP gain. If Britain does go on with its promises of further devolution they can say while they didn't get Independemce they got Scotland more freedom, if they don't they can turn that and say the UK government truly doesn't care. In all honestly this whole referendum was a win win for SNP and damages England no matter what.

[Mereon]

Edinburgh votes no.

[Vekalse]

Edinburgh votes "NO"

note the lack of all caps indicating my tiredness.

I expected that.

[Allet Klar Chefs]

A car door just got slammed on the head of the Yes campaign. Rip.

[Roski]

Edinburg:

YES - 123,927
NO - 194,638
460 Rejected Ballots

Scotland Remains!

[SuperFruitland]

Argyll and Bute votes "NO"

suddenly they're all declaring

[Jinwoy]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... P_(nominal) Ireland is 45-47th richest country on the planet.
For perspective, that's lower than Pakistan and Nigeria.

In total GDP, maybe, but GDP per capita indicates quality of life.

Right you are:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... y_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita

Ireland: 17-18.
Scotland I think would come close to 60th on that list (16,944.00)

[Ainin]

Aberdeenshire votes NO.