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Who is the greatest Canadian Prime Minister?

Mackenzie King
8
7%
John A. Macdonald
6
6%
Wilfrid Laurier
6
6%
Pierre Trudeau
45
42%
Lester Pearson
17
16%
Louis St. Laurent
3
3%
Robert Borden
2
2%
Jean Chrétien
4
4%
Brian Mulroney
3
3%
Other (please specify)
14
13%
 
Total votes : 108

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Postby The Scientific States » Sun Aug 03, 2014 4:13 pm

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Neo Industrium wrote:
Perhaps some Trudeau offspring?


As I said earlier, I'm not a fan of Justin.


He's alright. His political policies are fine, but he seems a bit unexperienced, and he doesn't seem very bright, to be honest. Regardless, I'd pick him over Mulclair and Harper if I was a Canadian voting in 2015.
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Postby Nation of Quebec » Sun Aug 03, 2014 4:21 pm

I've always admired Laurier. Even did a project on him back in a high school history class.

Trudeau is probably a close second, mostly because of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

I seriously hope that the people putting Harper on this list are being sarcastic. If anything, Harper would be a contender for one of the worst Canadian Prime Ministers.
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Postby The Scientific States » Sun Aug 03, 2014 4:23 pm

Neo Industrium wrote:Two people picked Mulroney?

:rofl:


I'm not Canadian, so I don't know a ton about him, but if I remember correctly, he was fairly moderate, plus he signed in NAFTA. That's not bad. It certainly doesn't make him the best PM, but I don't think he was bad.
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Postby A Nice Place to Hang Out » Sun Aug 03, 2014 4:27 pm

Mike Harris. Wait, what? Really?

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Postby Alf Landon » Sun Aug 03, 2014 4:28 pm

The Scientific States wrote:
Neo Industrium wrote:Two people picked Mulroney?

:rofl:


I'm not Canadian, so I don't know a ton about him, but if I remember correctly, he was fairly moderate, plus he signed in NAFTA. That's not bad. It certainly doesn't make him the best PM, but I don't think he was bad.


Moderate is not a word I would use to describe Mulroney. I doubt even he would call himself moderate - in his retirement, he's very keen to stress he believes he was a transformational leader.

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Postby Alf Landon » Sun Aug 03, 2014 4:29 pm

A Nice Place to Hang Out wrote:Mike Harris. Wait, what? Really?


Lolwut?! Who said Mike Harris?

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Postby Nation of Quebec » Sun Aug 03, 2014 4:29 pm

The Scientific States wrote:
Neo Industrium wrote:Two people picked Mulroney?

:rofl:


I'm not Canadian, so I don't know a ton about him, but if I remember correctly, he was fairly moderate, plus he signed in NAFTA. That's not bad. It certainly doesn't make him the best PM, but I don't think he was bad.


He introduced the GST to Canada, which didn't exactly make many people happy.
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Postby Kazirstan » Sun Aug 03, 2014 4:32 pm

Pierre Trudeau of course. He took none of Quebec's bullshit.

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Postby MERIZoC » Sun Aug 03, 2014 4:36 pm

The Scientific States wrote:
Neo Industrium wrote:Two people picked Mulroney?

:rofl:


I'm not Canadian, so I don't know a ton about him, but if I remember correctly, he was fairly moderate, plus he signed in NAFTA. That's not bad. It certainly doesn't make him the best PM, but I don't think he was bad.

NAFTA was a pretty shitty deal for Canada, seeing as it allowed companies to sue the Canadian government for loss of profits due to environmental regulations. I wouldn't count it as a plus.

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Postby Arkiasis » Sun Aug 03, 2014 4:36 pm

Neck and neck between Pearson and Trudeau.
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Postby Alf Landon » Sun Aug 03, 2014 4:37 pm

Won't someone think of Robert Borden, alone with no votes. :(

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Postby MERIZoC » Sun Aug 03, 2014 4:39 pm

Alf Landon wrote:Won't someone think of Robert Borden, alone with no votes. :(

He did have a rockin' mustache, after all.

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Postby Alf Landon » Sun Aug 03, 2014 4:45 pm

Merizoc wrote:
Alf Landon wrote:Won't someone think of Robert Borden, alone with no votes. :(

He did have a rockin' mustache, after all.


True, but then again how can that compare to Trudeau rocking up in Calgary with a bunch of cowboys with this gear?

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Postby Angleter » Sun Aug 03, 2014 5:02 pm

Avenio wrote:
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I wish Britain had a Prime Minister (or government) for whom the biggest complaints were environment policy and defence procurement.


It's one of those interesting things about Canadian politics. Not to sound arrogant or anything, but we're about 5-10 years 'ahead' of most other Anglophone countries in terms of social politics - same-sex marriage laws were passed in 2005, our abortion laws were found unconstitutional in 1988, and immigration has largely become something to encourage and take advantage of as a political party rather than to disparage and fight against. All of those things have been around long enough that they're politically untouchable - as much as Harper would probably like to re-open the same-sex marriage debate or the possibility of restricting abortion, those issues are so fundamentally toxic to his party that doing so would very likely cost him the PM'ship, his parliamentary majority and probably re-open the internal civil war that raged through the Tories in the 90's and which he fought very hard to end in the early 2000's.

So he's forced to exert his conservatism in pretty much the only fields left open to him - foreign policy, the environment and government policy, which are much more the field of the policy wonks and are therefore less likely to lead to the same sort of backlash as if he went for tackling social issues.


I was thinking more along the lines of 'didn't bankrupt the country'. Canada, by my eye, has done better than any major Western economy other than Australia (where Rudd/Gillard/Rudd got slammed for their environment policy - and for their ferocious infighting, which really was entirely deserved).
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Postby Talanzaar » Sun Aug 03, 2014 5:21 pm

Lester B Pearson. Chretien is my favorite, though.
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Postby Talanzaar » Sun Aug 03, 2014 5:22 pm

Alf Landon wrote:
Neo Industrium wrote:
Perhaps some Trudeau offspring?


As I said earlier, I'm not a fan of Justin.


I'm not a big fan either, he doesn't have anything interesting to offer but I'll probably end up supporting him in 2015, Liberals can defeat the Conservative incumbent in my riding. I'd vote for the NDP, but they can't win.
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Postby Fanosolia » Sun Aug 03, 2014 5:37 pm

Kazirstan wrote:Pierre Trudeau of course. He took none of Quebec's bullshit.


Man this Pierre guy seems like best in his day XD
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Postby Nation of Quebec » Sun Aug 03, 2014 7:02 pm

What about Charles Tupper's epic sideburns?

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Talanzaar wrote:
Alf Landon wrote:
As I said earlier, I'm not a fan of Justin.


I'm not a big fan either, he doesn't have anything interesting to offer but I'll probably end up supporting him in 2015, Liberals can defeat the Conservative incumbent in my riding. I'd vote for the NDP, but they can't win.


I'm cautiously optimistic about Justin Trudeau. While he is inexperienced (then again so was Harper before he became PM), I've agreed with most of what he's done and said so far. He's honest and likable, which is a refreshing change from Harper. Given the choice between Justin, Harper, Mulcair (who is no Jack Layton), May, and the Bloc guy (for those of you in Quebec), he's got my vote.
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Postby Saint-Thor » Sun Aug 03, 2014 10:34 pm

Commonwealth of Hank the Cat wrote:Steven Harper does nothing to help anything. John A. Macdonald, in my opinion was a racist. Personally, I think Mackenzie King was also a Racist, and a Moron, but he was admitly good with the Economy. In my opinion.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sun Aug 03, 2014 11:37 pm

I don't like any of them.

None of them have the makings of a great leader. The Canadian Premiers all lacked ambition and spirit.

I'm not joking when I say that even I could do a better job than most of them if given the position. Most of them don't even try to change anything.
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Postby Atlanticatia » Sun Aug 03, 2014 11:48 pm

I'm not Canadian, but Trudeau seems like a very progressive leader who left an important mark on Canada, and seemed to have contributed to the modern Canadian identity.
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Postby Solaray » Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:14 am

Deifenbaker or King. Harper was alright, a few years ago, but he's gone totally nuts lately. Trudeau wasn't bad, but he was kind of a prick. Pearson was a good one. His flag was neat.
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Postby Napkiraly » Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:25 am

Alf Landon wrote:
Neo Industrium wrote:
Perhaps some Trudeau offspring?


As I said earlier, I'm not a fan of Justin.

Best bet to get rid of Harper though. And he isn't too bad.

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Postby Napkiraly » Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:26 am

Solaray wrote:Deifenbaker or King. Harper was alright, a few years ago, but he's gone totally nuts lately. Trudeau wasn't bad, but he was kind of a prick. Pearson was a good one. His flag was neat.

I think we all know why you chose The Chief. ;) :P

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Postby Solaray » Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:30 am

Napkiraly wrote:
Solaray wrote:Deifenbaker or King. Harper was alright, a few years ago, but he's gone totally nuts lately. Trudeau wasn't bad, but he was kind of a prick. Pearson was a good one. His flag was neat.

I think we all know why you chose The Chief. ;) :P

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He did give natives the vote too, among other things. His Bill o' Rights was the sort of granddaddy to the good ol' Charter too.
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