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Turkish government: Women shouldn't laugh or chat

Postby Baltenstein » Tue Jul 29, 2014 6:09 am

The AKP is quickly becoming Europe's Maduro, if they aren't already - one public statement is more farcical than the other:

Women should not laugh out loud in public, Deputy Prime Minister Bülent Arınç has said while complaining about “moral corruption” in Turkey.

Speaking during an Eid el-Fitr meeting on July 28, Arınç described his ideal of the chaste man or woman, saying they should both have a sense of shame and honor.

“Chastity is so important. It is not only a name. It is an ornament for both women and men. [She] will have chasteness. Man will have it, too. He will not be a womanizer. He will be bound to his wife. He will love his children. [The woman] will know what is haram and not haram. She will not laugh in public. She will not be inviting in her attitudes and will protect her chasteness,” Arınç said, adding that people had abandoned their values today.

People needs to discover the Quran once again, Arınç said, adding that there had been a regression on moral grounds.

“Where are our girls, who slightly blush, lower their heads and turn their eyes away when we look at their face, becoming the symbol of chastity?” he said.

He said some TV series geared toward young people had because teenagers to grow up only as “sex addicts,” accusing those who abuse the excitement of youths with publications on TV, the web, newspapers, or in educational places, especially in universities.

Arınç also complained about high consumption, referring to the number of cars and mobile phones that individuals have.

Targeting women once more, Arınç said women talk about unnecessary things on the phone.
“Women give each other meal recipes while speaking on the mobile phone. ‘What else is going on?’ ‘What happened to Ayşe’s daughter?’ ‘When is the wedding?’ Talk about this face to face,” he said.

People should not use their personal cars unnecessarily, he also said, adding that even if the Nile River was full of oil, there would not be enough fuel to power cars.

Ekmeleddin İhsanoğlu, who is running for the presidency against Arınç’s boss, Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, commented on Arınç’s statement via Twitter, saying Turkey needed women to laugh, as well as to hear everybody’s happy laughter more than anything.


Yes apparently laughter now has become one of the many, many things that will lead to ebul moral decay. The funniest part is his professional advise on how women should talk with each other on the phone.
Gezi Park is gonna have a field day with this...
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Postby Saracenia » Tue Jul 29, 2014 6:37 am

Women shouldn't laugh loudly' is some remarks I've actually heard, coming from a conservative society... but never from a government official. To be fair, I don't think it'll ever be law so why bother.
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Postby New Waterford » Tue Jul 29, 2014 7:29 am

His attitude is rather concerning, but this hasn't been passed into law in Turkey yet, so it's not that big a deal.
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Postby Lordieth » Tue Jul 29, 2014 7:31 am

I'm surprised women are allowed out in the sunlight at all.
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Postby Caninope » Tue Jul 29, 2014 7:35 am

Lordieth wrote:I'm surprised women are allowed out in the sunlight at all.

I'm going to assume that your ignorance of Turkish culture is unintentional.
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Postby Risottia » Tue Jul 29, 2014 7:44 am

Baltenstein wrote:The AKP is quickly becoming Europe's Maduro,

Tbh, even Maduro hasn't sink so to such levels of pure idiocy in his statements.
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Postby Digital Planets » Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:50 am

Why are politicians in Turkey being so fucking stupid?
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Postby Russian Socialist Soviet States » Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:52 am

Turkey appears to be turning into Nazi Germany.
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Postby Arglorand » Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:53 am

AKP shouldn't laugh or chat.
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Postby Aurora Novus » Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:53 am

Fuck me.

So basically, what I get from this is "We demand control. There will be order. There will be no fun. Pleasure is immoral." Who the fuck let these caricatures of Dark Age religious leaders into the modern era, let alone run a country? Jesus man.
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Postby Cyrisnia » Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:56 am

Aurora Novus wrote:Fuck me.

So basically, what I get from this is "We demand control. There will be order. There will be no fun. Pleasure is immoral." Who the fuck let these caricatures of Dark Age religious leaders into the modern era, let alone run a country? Jesus man.

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Postby Lordieth » Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:57 am

Caninope wrote:
Lordieth wrote:I'm surprised women are allowed out in the sunlight at all.

I'm going to assume that your ignorance of Turkish culture is unintentional.


Assume ignorance if you wish. I don't much care for antiquated cultural discrimination based on sex. Puzzling a country which aims to eliminate gender equality has issues like this, but hopefully they're dying ones.
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Postby -Arabiyah- » Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:00 am

I agree 100% I'm glad to see Turkey is rediscovering it's spirituality Mashallah.
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Postby Caninope » Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:01 am

Lordieth wrote:
Caninope wrote:I'm going to assume that your ignorance of Turkish culture is unintentional.


Assume ignorance if you wish. I don't much care for antiquated cultural discrimination based on sex. Puzzling a country which aims to eliminate gender equality has issues like this, but hopefully they're dying ones.

If you weren't ignorant, you'd know that Turkey has a rather long history of rights for women since the Republic started, and that some parts of the country (particularly Istanbul) are rather modern in their attitudes towards women. You'd know that many consider the AKP to be rather socially conservative, especially in the more liberal areas of the country. You'd know these things.
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Postby Arglorand » Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:02 am

-Arabiyah- wrote:I agree 100% I'm glad to see Turkey is rediscovering it's spirituality Mashallah.

How is this related at all to spirituality?
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:02 am

What?

I mean, I could go in detail how his opinion is wrong, but why bother.
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Postby Keventle » Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:04 am

Caninope wrote:
Lordieth wrote:
Assume ignorance if you wish. I don't much care for antiquated cultural discrimination based on sex. Puzzling a country which aims to eliminate gender equality has issues like this, but hopefully they're dying ones.

If you weren't ignorant, you'd know that Turkey has a rather long history of rights for women since the Republic started, and that some parts of the country (particularly Istanbul) are rather modern in their attitudes towards women. You'd know that many consider the AKP to be rather socially conservative, especially in the more liberal areas of the country. You'd know these things.

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Postby The Scientific States » Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:04 am

-Arabiyah- wrote:I agree 100% I'm glad to see Turkey is rediscovering it's spirituality Mashallah.


Seriously? Restricting woman's rights is a good thing in your mind?
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Postby Cyrisnia » Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:04 am

Arglorand wrote:
-Arabiyah- wrote:I agree 100% I'm glad to see Turkey is rediscovering it's spirituality Mashallah.

How is this related at all to spirituality?

Sharia, I believe.
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Postby Lordieth » Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:06 am

Caninope wrote:
Lordieth wrote:
Assume ignorance if you wish. I don't much care for antiquated cultural discrimination based on sex. Puzzling a country which aims to eliminate gender equality has issues like this, but hopefully they're dying ones.

If you weren't ignorant, you'd know that Turkey has a rather long history of rights for women since the Republic started, and that some parts of the country (particularly Istanbul) are rather modern in their attitudes towards women. You'd know that many consider the AKP to be rather socially conservative, especially in the more liberal areas of the country. You'd know these things.


I don't know what part you think my comment refers to the entire Turkish government, but yes, I am aware of Turkey's progressive attitude. That doesn't mean I can't show my disdain. The AKP are part of the Government. Singular. A faction or not, I'm not the only one who'll see it that way.
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Postby Benuty » Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:06 am

The Scientific States wrote:
-Arabiyah- wrote:I agree 100% I'm glad to see Turkey is rediscovering it's spirituality Mashallah.


Seriously? Restricting woman's rights is a good thing in your mind?

Yeah why not clearly the Turkish matriarchy needs to come to an end in the name of gender equality.
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Postby Arglorand » Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:06 am

Cyrisnia wrote:
Arglorand wrote:How is this related at all to spirituality?

Sharia, I believe.

Following Sharia law - by way of being forced - does not make one a spiritually active Muslim.

Anyone actually genuinely concerned about a religion should understand that abolishing secularism will not help it in any way and I seriously am unsure why so many people can't grasp that
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Postby Russian Socialist Soviet States » Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:09 am

-Arabiyah- wrote:I agree 100% I'm glad to see Turkey is rediscovering it's spirituality Mashallah.

Now do you want to see Turkey start taking civil liberties away form "inferior" people?
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Postby -Arabiyah- » Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:11 am

Cyrisnia wrote:
Arglorand wrote:How is this related at all to spirituality?

Sharia, I believe.

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Postby Caninope » Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:12 am

Lordieth wrote:
Caninope wrote:If you weren't ignorant, you'd know that Turkey has a rather long history of rights for women since the Republic started, and that some parts of the country (particularly Istanbul) are rather modern in their attitudes towards women. You'd know that many consider the AKP to be rather socially conservative, especially in the more liberal areas of the country. You'd know these things.


I don't know what part you think my comment refers to the entire Turkish government, but yes, I am aware of Turkey's progressive attitude. That doesn't mean I can't show my disdain. The AKP are part of the Government. Singular. A faction or not, I'm not the only one who'll see it that way.

You said,
Lordieth wrote:I'm surprised women are allowed out in the sunlight at all.

If you were truly acquainted with the progressive nature of Turkey for the region, then you wouldn't have made such an outrageous comment.
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