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Postby MERIZoC » Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:12 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Merizoc wrote:It's a simple fact. Running from something that perceives you as prey, or a threat, will only increase their confidence.


but not running away when it's already barking aggressively and moving towards me at a considerable speed?

At least with running, you have a chance.

Not with something that has twice as many legs as you. ;)

Besides, this is irrelevant. A statistically insignificant event has no bearing on whether to ban something or not.

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Postby The Pacifican Islands » Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:13 pm

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Infected Mushroom wrote:
but not running away when it's already barking aggressively and moving towards me at a considerable speed?

At least with running, you have a chance.

Not with something that has twice as many legs as you. ;)

Besides, this is irrelevant. A statistically insignificant event has no bearing on whether to ban something or not.



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Postby Dracoria » Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:13 pm

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Merizoc wrote:It's a simple fact. Running from something that perceives you as prey, or a threat, will only increase their confidence.


but not running away when it's already barking aggressively and moving towards me at a considerable speed?

At least with running, you have a chance.


You know nothing of dogs or other pursuit predators, do you? If you flee, you are indicating to said predator that you know you cannot stand up to them and are inviting them to pursue and finish you off. If you stand up to them and make a threatening display, they have to gauge other things like your size and ferocity - and to most dogs, an upright-standing human looks damned big and can be quite loud.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:13 pm

Marcurix wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
but not running away when it's already barking aggressively and moving towards me at a considerable speed?

At least with running, you have a chance.


Not nearly as good a chance you had if you didn't run.


I think you're assuming I'm good at hand to hand combat. I can't do what they do in Call of Duty with my hands when they pounce...

I just don't understand why I am being blamed for running away from a threat. It was already going to attack, so I ran. This ''provoked it further'' but so would attacking it or glaring at it. It was ALREADY going to attack.

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Postby The Floating Island of the Sleeping God » Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:13 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Merizoc wrote:It's a simple fact. Running from something that perceives you as prey, or a threat, will only increase their confidence.


but not running away when it's already barking aggressively and moving towards me at a considerable speed?

At least with running, you have a chance.

Face towards it, back away slowly. Don't move suddenly, and make yourself look as large as possible. This isn't just safety, it should be basic instinct not to provoke a predator or make it think you're weaker than it.
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Postby Othelos » Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:13 pm

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Scomagia wrote:If you run from a dog you're provoking an attack and it is your fault. Learn2animals.


Let's set this straight ok?

The dog was ALREADY moving towards me as it was barking.

Running was the only reasonable response. ''It made things worse'' but not running away would have meant taking damage from it. It made sense to run.

And to blame me for running away from a vicious animal, to me that's close to victim blaming.

panicing around an animal you think is dangerous is probably one of the worst things you can do. Animals can detect weakness and fear.

You stand there, then back away slowly, but if it starts to attack you anyway (even though it probably just wants to smell you), you punch it in the nose/attack back/scream for help.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:14 pm

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Marcurix wrote:
Not nearly as good a chance you had if you didn't run.


I think you're assuming I'm good at hand to hand combat. I can't do what they do in Call of Duty with my hands when they pounce...

I just don't understand why I am being blamed for running away from a threat. It was already going to attack, so I ran. This ''provoked it further'' but so would attacking it or glaring at it. It was ALREADY going to attack.


You do not run from animals, it makes them think you're weak and scared of them. Either stand your ground or charge them.
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Postby Scomagia » Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:14 pm

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Marcurix wrote:
Not nearly as good a chance you had if you didn't run.


I think you're assuming I'm good at hand to hand combat. I can't do what they do in Call of Duty with my hands when they pounce...

I just don't understand why I am being blamed for running away from a threat. It was already going to attack, so I ran. This ''provoked it further'' but so would attacking it or glaring at it. It was ALREADY going to attack.

In no universe is turning your back on the thing running at you the reasonable thing to do. It's the stupid thing to do.
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Postby The Pacifican Islands » Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:14 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Marcurix wrote:
Not nearly as good a chance you had if you didn't run.


I think you're assuming I'm good at hand to hand combat. I can't do what they do in Call of Duty with my hands when they pounce...

I just don't understand why I am being blamed for running away from a threat. It was already going to attack, so I ran. This ''provoked it further'' but so would attacking it or glaring at it. It was ALREADY going to attack.


But then.... *facepalm smiley*

EDIT: here it is: :palm:
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Postby Cyrisnia » Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:14 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Marcurix wrote:
Not nearly as good a chance you had if you didn't run.


I think you're assuming I'm good at hand to hand combat. I can't do what they do in Call of Duty with my hands when they pounce...

I just don't understand why I am being blamed for running away from a threat. It was already going to attack, so I ran. This ''provoked it further'' but so would attacking it or glaring at it. It was ALREADY going to attack.

Alright:
1. Were you in a public area when said attack occurred?
2. Read up on it. Learn from your mistakes. Learn2animals.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:14 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Marcurix wrote:
Not nearly as good a chance you had if you didn't run.


I think you're assuming I'm good at hand to hand combat. I can't do what they do in Call of Duty with my hands when they pounce...

I just don't understand why I am being blamed for running away from a threat. It was already going to attack, so I ran. This ''provoked it further'' but so would attacking it or glaring at it. It was ALREADY going to attack.

Jesus Christ, next thing you know you'll be saying we should ban dogs because you got bit while trying to separate two of them who were fighting.
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Postby Destiny Island » Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:15 pm

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Scomagia wrote:If you run from a dog you're provoking an attack and it is your fault. Learn2animals.


Let's set this straight ok?

The dog was ALREADY moving towards me as it was barking.

Running was the only reasonable response. ''It made things worse'' but not running away would have meant taking damage from it. It made sense to run.

And to blame me for running away from a vicious animal, to me that's close to victim blaming.

Dogs tend to do that when they are barking at something. It's an intimidation tactic. Running away only made it worse and encouraged it.
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Postby The Pacifican Islands » Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:15 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
I think you're assuming I'm good at hand to hand combat. I can't do what they do in Call of Duty with my hands when they pounce...

I just don't understand why I am being blamed for running away from a threat. It was already going to attack, so I ran. This ''provoked it further'' but so would attacking it or glaring at it. It was ALREADY going to attack.

Jesus Christ, next thing you know you'll be saying we should ban dogs because you got bit while trying to separate two of them who were fighting.


Then all pets would be banned because of a small remote event.

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Postby Cyrisnia » Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:16 pm

The Pacifican Islands wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:Jesus Christ, next thing you know you'll be saying we should ban dogs because you got bit while trying to separate two of them who were fighting.


Then all pets would be banned because of a small remote event.

And humans.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:16 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:The dog was ALREADY moving towards me as it was barking.


And? Barking is it's way of scaring you off.

Running was the only reasonable response.


Never do that.

''It made things worse'' but not running away would have meant taking damage from it. It made sense to run.


No it doesn't. For the most part, if it's barking at you, it's trying to get you to go. You let the dog "win". Barking is OK because it's a scare tactic. It's when a dog is silent and skittish that you should be aware.

And to blame me for running away from a vicious animal, to me that's close to victim blaming.


I don't think it was vicious and I am blaming you for not doing the right thing. You should seriously read up on this.
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Postby The Pacifican Islands » Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:16 pm

Destiny Island wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
Let's set this straight ok?

The dog was ALREADY moving towards me as it was barking.

Running was the only reasonable response. ''It made things worse'' but not running away would have meant taking damage from it. It made sense to run.

And to blame me for running away from a vicious animal, to me that's close to victim blaming.

Dogs tend to do that when they are barking at something. It's an intimidation tactic. Running away only made it worse and encouraged it.


Shine something at it or throw something at it. It discourages them from coming as you intimidate them.

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Postby Salus Maior » Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:17 pm

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Marcurix wrote:
Not nearly as good a chance you had if you didn't run.


I think you're assuming I'm good at hand to hand combat. I can't do what they do in Call of Duty with my hands when they pounce...

I just don't understand why I am being blamed for running away from a threat. It was already going to attack, so I ran. This ''provoked it further'' but so would attacking it or glaring at it. It was ALREADY going to attack.


You don't know that for sure, of course. Barking dog doesn't necessarily mean it's just going to attack you. Making yourself look threatening or unafraid of it would have been better, or talking in a loud, deep voice.
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Postby United States of The One Percent » Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:17 pm

Alizina wrote:Not all dogs are vicious bastards, maybe we should ban knives, scissors, cars, and heavy objects, they all have the potential to be used as a murder weapon, along with killing people in an accident.


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Postby Destiny Island » Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:17 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Marcurix wrote:
Not nearly as good a chance you had if you didn't run.


I think you're assuming I'm good at hand to hand combat. I can't do what they do in Call of Duty with my hands when they pounce...

I just don't understand why I am being blamed for running away from a threat. It was already going to attack, so I ran. This ''provoked it further'' but so would attacking it or glaring at it. It was ALREADY going to attack.

>Implying that it actually was going to attack you and you didn't overreact.
>Implying that we were saying that you should defend yourself.
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Postby Viritica » Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:18 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
Bordav wrote:Only certain kinds should, like what has a Chihuahua done to anyone, if anything it was lmuch less worse than a pit bull

This is actually exactly the reason small dogs are more likely to attack. People don't take them seriously, so they don't train them as well.

Big dog gets out: "HEAD FOR THE HILLS! THE END IS NEAR! RUN YOU FOOLS!!!"
Small dog gets out: "Ugh, can someone get this little shit outta here?"
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Postby The Floating Island of the Sleeping God » Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:18 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Marcurix wrote:
Not nearly as good a chance you had if you didn't run.


I think you're assuming I'm good at hand to hand combat. I can't do what they do in Call of Duty with my hands when they pounce...

I just don't understand why I am being blamed for running away from a threat. It was already going to attack, so I ran. This ''provoked it further'' but so would attacking it or glaring at it. It was ALREADY going to attack.

We don't blame you for running, we're pointing out that running from a predator encourages it to attack, and that if you had moved away slowly without turning away, it wouldn't have chased you. That's how dogs work, hell, that's how people work.
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Postby The Pacifican Islands » Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:18 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
I think you're assuming I'm good at hand to hand combat. I can't do what they do in Call of Duty with my hands when they pounce...

I just don't understand why I am being blamed for running away from a threat. It was already going to attack, so I ran. This ''provoked it further'' but so would attacking it or glaring at it. It was ALREADY going to attack.


You don't know that for sure, of course. Barking dog doesn't necessarily mean it's just going to attack you. Making yourself look threatening or unafraid of it would have been better, or talking in a loud, deep voice.



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Postby Marcurix » Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:19 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Marcurix wrote:
Not nearly as good a chance you had if you didn't run.


I think you're assuming I'm good at hand to hand combat.


Not even slightly.

I can't do what they do in Call of Duty with my hands when they pounce...


The more you reference Call of Duty, the weaker what you say becomes.

I just don't understand why I am being blamed for running away from a threat.


Because you increased the threat massively in doing so. Just because a dog runs at you barking does not mean it's going to attack.

It was already going to attack, so I ran.


You don't know that. You assumed it would. Even the biggest dogs, however, even if they are aggressive do a shit load of posturing.

This ''provoked it further'' but so would attacking it or glaring at it. It was ALREADY going to attack.


Again you don't know that. For all we know it could have been friendly and wanted to play.

Had you stood your ground the dog would mostly likely have stopped short if it was aggressive and continued to growl and bark. In that situation you back off slowly.

You. Do. Not. Run. Literally lesson one in interacting with any potentially dangerous carnivore.
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Postby The Floating Island of the Sleeping God » Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:19 pm

Viritica wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:This is actually exactly the reason small dogs are more likely to attack. People don't take them seriously, so they don't train them as well.

Big dog gets out: "HEAD FOR THE HILLS! THE END IS NEAR! RUN YOU FOOLS!!!"
Small dog gets out: "Ugh, can someone get this little shit outta here?"

Cat gets out: "thank god, we got rid of it."
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Postby Sinovet » Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:19 pm

Dogs have been domesticated by mankind of thousands of years. They have truely become engrained in our civilisation, our culture. Even if it was justified, you would simply never be able to get rid of them all.

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