Dogs should be Banned

[United Western States of America]

You only increase that chance by running.

This is veering dangerously close to victim blaming...

A warning ahead of time: what I am about to say has absolutely nothing to do with the quote; I just used it as an attempt to get an honest response.

Now that that's out of the way, I have some questions.

1) Do you own a dog?
2) Do you know someone who owns a dog?
3) How many times has said person's dog attacked you?
4) How often do you hear about dog attacks?
5) How much do you actually know about dogs?

I am aware that you feel that this is getting close to victim blaming, but if I accidentally shoot myself in the foot, whose fault is that? I feel that the logical answer would be mine, because I should have been aware of where the muzzle was pointed, I should have made sure that the safety catch was engaged, and I should have kept my finger off the trigger. Not every accident is caused by someone else besides you.

Additionally, why are we taking this so far? As you have said, there is no changing anyone's mind in this thread, so why don't we leave it alone? There is nothing good that can come out of this discussion, all I see when I scroll through is people arguing and tearing at each other. Let's just go on our Merry way and forget about this insanity.

[Krasivovia]

♪ You feel the power, just the power of trolls ♪

[The Floating Island of the Sleeping God]

We still playing the "gun control satire" game? Okay, sure. Dogs have a use to society, they can be used in hunting, by the police, or in the military. Uh, let's see...if dogs are outlawed, only outlaws will have dogs, and there won't be any good guys with dogs to stop them!

It's cute that you think this is satire.

It's just...a boy can dream, can't he, that people would never have such absurd, unrealistic views and goals? Is that so strange? *sigh*

[Scomagia]

♪ You feel the power, just the power of trolls ♪

That's not advisable.

[United Western States of America]

Infected Mushrooms 2016: EVERYTHING I DON'T LIKE MUST BE BEANNED AND EVERYTHING SCARES ME SO WE'LL JUST BAN LIFE ALRIGHT!?

Except Canada possessing nuclear weapons. Those are alright.

Actually, I wonder what the OP's thoughts might be on the carolina dog, which is effectively America's "dingo." Most people didn't know about them until a few years ago, but it's gradually being more widely realized that the carolina dog is a true "pariah dog" that apparently came here with the Indians.

A pariah dog is, literally, a breed of dog that has a relationship with humans not too much unlike how cats used to be in Europe. That is, they are essentially a wild animal, with the primary social interaction between them and humans being having various things thrown at them (rocks, shoes, bones, or whatever seems most appropriate at the time), but humans have been an essential part of their survival since neolithic times.

Now, the carolina dog is effectively a unique animal that has roamed the savannahs possibly for millennia. Now, does the OP think that we ought to go out into the woods and hunt down all of the carolina dogs? Should they, as essentially wild animals, be subject to leash laws?

Carolina Dogs are in the US where we love dogs. Some syrup-drinking Canadian threatening to ban canines has no effect on them.

You just wait. You just wait.

I wouldn't be surprised in a "ban food" thread at this point.

Ban Dihydrogen Monoxide instead. Keep chemicals out of our children.

I just have to say this: Banning Dihydrogen monoxide is the best idea I have heard all day (sarcasm added)!

Just to make sure we are clear, I know what Dihydrogen monoxide is. Chemistry was one of my string subjects in school.

[Salus Maior]

It's cute that you think this is satire.

It's just...a boy can dream, can't he, that people would never have such absurd, unrealistic views and goals? Is that so strange? *sigh*

I feel your pain, man.

[Dracoria]

Gentlemen of the jury: The best friend a man has in this world may turn against him and become his enemy. His son or daughter that he has reared with loving care may prove ungrateful. Those who are nearest and dearest to us, those whom we trust with our happiness and our good name, may become traitors to their faith. The money that a man has, he may lose. It flies away from him, perhaps when he needs it the most. A man's reputation may be sacrificed in a moment of ill-considered action. The people who are prone to fall on their knees to do us honor when success is with us may be the first to throw the stone of malice when failure settles its cloud upon our heads. The one absolutely unselfish friend that a man can have in this selfish world, the one that never deserts him and the one that never proves ungrateful or treacherous is his dog.

Gentlemen of the jury: A man's dog stands by him in prosperity and in poverty, in health and in sickness. He will sleep on the cold ground, where the wintry winds blow and the snow drives fiercely, if only he may be near his master's side. He will kiss the hand that has no food to offer, he will lick the wounds and sores that come in encounters with the roughness of the world. He guards the sleep of his pauper master as if he were a prince. When all other friends desert, he remains. When riches take wings and reputation falls to pieces, he is as constant in his love as the sun in its journey through the heavens.

If fortune drives the master forth an outcast in the world, friendless and homeless, the faithful dog asks no higher privilege than that of accompanying him to guard against danger, to fight against his enemies, and when the last scene of all comes, and death takes the master in its embrace and his body is laid away in the cold ground, no matter if all other friends pursue their way, there by his graveside will the noble dog be found, his head between his paws, his eyes sad but open in alert watchfulness, faithful and true even to death.

Someone who seeks to ban dogs has likely never been graced by their companionship.

[Scomagia]

It's cute that you think this is satire.

It's just...a boy can dream, can't he, that people would never have such absurd, unrealistic views and goals? Is that so strange? *sigh*

I wish people weren't this unrealistic but.......

[Krasivovia]

♪ You feel the power, just the power of trolls ♪

That's not advisable.

I like to live on the edge, baby

[Scomagia]

That's not advisable.

I like to live on the edge, baby

Do so at your own risk. viewtopic.php?f=16&t=260044

[Wisconsin9]

That's not advisable.

I like to live on the edge, baby

Those who live on the edge tend to get pushed off it.

[Dominion of the Priceless Crown]

I don't post in NSG usually anymore, but this was so out there, I had to.

I don't agree with any of your points. Yeah, they're dangerous. So are stairs, and people are dangerous. So, your going to outlaw people next. People are more dangerous than dogs, they can use their minds and opposable thumbs to do things dogs can't. And dog droppings, really? That's a reason? I can't even tell if you're serious now.

yes many things are dangerous to society, but many things are necessary for society to function.

For example, you mention stairs. Yes stairs can be dangerous but they are a necessary aspect of many buildings.

Dogs are not NECESSARY for a society to function. We can easily envision a society without them that is safer and still livable.

So you would ban service dogs that the military, police, civilians, and disabled people use for jobs that can't be done by anything else as effectively and efficiently which makes them necessary for use? Does that only sound unrealistic and stupid to others?

Banning them would also be a bunch of money not directed to more pressing matters in human society. Such as starvation. Several animal rights organizations would never let this happen either and would resort to violence.

You've got some courage walking around outside without knowing how to fight off basic predators too. For your own safety please take a basic defence course or by a non lethal weapon. (nightstick works great.)

Remember you were attacked by dogs. Dogs.
Not wolfs, badgers, bears, snakes, spiders, bees, humans, deadly fish, deadly whales, mosquitoes, octopi, rhinos, scorpions, and other things that can kill you much easier than the neighborhood rabid dog. There will always be an angry dog waiting to bite something or someone somewhere. It's apart of life. You'll find the same thing in many other species. The Moose is the worst. Can't really take a Moose down barehanded like a dog either... *shivers*

[Cyrisnia]

You only increase that chance by running.

This is veering dangerously close to victim blaming...

I was like you once.
When I was 7 or so, a neighbors dog scared me, chased me (I ran, you SHOULD NOT run), and bit my leg. I had a phobia of dogs for a long time. I got a beagle, and I love her with all my heart.
Its not victim blaming in this case. Well, not 100%. Read up on dogs more, how they act. Might help you.

[The Pacifican Islands]

Yesterday, while I was taking a walk by the harbor, a vicious white dog suddenly barked in my direction. Within seconds it was chasing me down the lenght of the harbor and I was running for my life. I never knew I could run that fast but I managed to emerge from the incident, unscathed. This isn't the first time this sort of thing has happened to me; in fact as a little kid dogs have attacked me on many occasions throughout various cities around the world. I also cannot stand the sight of dog droppings on the sidewalk.

I have come to the conclusion that dogs should be banned. And its not just because I personally don't like them. Here are some reasons why it would benefit public policy to outlaw them.

1. They are dangerous

Dogs are very dangerous because they can bite people. Owners can try to control their dogs but the fact of the matter is, they can't always keep everything under control; accidents will happen. Dogs are a safety hazard, not just to the people who buy them but also to everyone else. When guests come to a house with dogs their lives may be in danger; when dogs are taken out for walks, pedestrians are in danger. Its not right that someone can buy a dog and then endanger other people.

The power of dog bites must not be underestimated. Some dogs have so much power that they can bite human fingers off; they are a carnivorous species after all. I've heard some horror stories about dogs going crazy and maiming people. If a dog attacks you and bites you and then you get infected by disease, you could die if not treated. Sure, dog owners are liable and you can go after them for what their dogs do. But the system is imperfect (you need to prove stuff, courts are slow). Also, if a dog attacks you and you lose your fingers or a hand... do you REALLY think an owner can adequately compensate you for your loss with money (your body parts are priceless)? If dogs did not exist, the danger would not be there.

2. The Dog Droppings

People have a right to walk down sidewalks and throughout parks without having to worry about stepping on dog droppings. People should not have to contend with these sights. Yes in theory owners are supposed to clean up after their dogs but in my experience, too many owners don't and its costing the rest of us. I suppose if you accidentally step on dog droppings you could go after the owner and try to sue him but there are obviously problems with this (1. the courts aren't likely to award you sufficient damages 2. you don't know who the owner is, you just know that you've just stepped on some serious crap). If dogs were not around in society, there would be no dog droppings. I think we could adopt an approach similar to Singapore, where they have a no tolerance policy towards chewing gum on the floor in public areas with respect to the dog dropping problem.

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So NSG, what do you think?

Is it time to outlaw dogs? Make our streets safe from droppings and random dog attacks?

Lol. I feel like this has no base. ITS A DEMOCRATIC WORLD

[Infected Mushroom]

This is veering dangerously close to victim blaming...

If you run from a dog you're provoking an attack and it is your fault. Learn2animals.

Let's set this straight ok?

The dog was ALREADY moving towards me as it was barking.

Running was the only reasonable response. ''It made things worse'' but not running away would have meant taking damage from it. It made sense to run.

And to blame me for running away from a vicious animal, to me that's close to victim blaming.

[MERIZoC]

If you run from a dog you're provoking an attack and it is your fault. Learn2animals.

Let's set this straight ok?

The dog was ALREADY moving towards me as it was barking.

Running was the only reasonable response. ''It made things worse'' but not running away would have meant taking damage from it. It made sense to run.

And to blame me for running away from a vicious animal, to me that's close to victim blaming.

It's a simple fact. Running from something that perceives you as prey, or a threat, will only increase their confidence.

[Sun Wukong]

That's not advisable.

I like to live on the edge, baby

As much as I appreciate the sentiment, you are well advised to take a more subtle approach. Like referencing your favorite scene from your favorite movie.

[MERIZoC]

I like to live on the edge, baby

As much as I appreciate the sentiment, you are well advised to take a more subtle approach. Like referencing your favorite scene from your favorite movie.

Yes. Love that movie.

[The Pacifican Islands]

If you run from a dog you're provoking an attack and it is your fault. Learn2animals.

Let's set this straight ok?

The dog was ALREADY moving towards me as it was barking.

Running was the only reasonable response. ''It made things worse'' but not running away would have meant taking damage from it. It made sense to run.

And to blame me for running away from a vicious animal, to me that's close to victim blaming.

But still, you should know better. I keep dogs away by throwing sticks, and one time, had to shine my Swiss Army knife at it to ward it off. There are better ways than running.

[Infected Mushroom]

Let's set this straight ok?

The dog was ALREADY moving towards me as it was barking.

Running was the only reasonable response. ''It made things worse'' but not running away would have meant taking damage from it. It made sense to run.

And to blame me for running away from a vicious animal, to me that's close to victim blaming.

It's a simple fact. Running from something that perceives you as prey, or a threat, will only increase their confidence.

but not running away when it's already barking aggressively and moving towards me at a considerable speed?

At least with running, you have a chance.

[Marcurix]

It's a simple fact. Running from something that perceives you as prey, or a threat, will only increase their confidence.

but not running away when it's already barking aggressively and moving towards me at a considerable speed?

At least with running, you have a chance.

Not nearly as good a chance you had if you didn't run.

[Wisconsin9]

It's a simple fact. Running from something that perceives you as prey, or a threat, will only increase their confidence.

but not running away when it's already barking aggressively and moving towards me at a considerable speed?

At least with running, you have a chance.

And if it does get you, which it probably will because now it's having fun and can run faster and longer than you, you are considerably more fucked.

[Washington Resistance Army]

It's a simple fact. Running from something that perceives you as prey, or a threat, will only increase their confidence.

but not running away when it's already barking aggressively and moving towards me at a considerable speed?

At least with running, you have a chance.

You're encouraging it by running away, you never run away.

[The Pacifican Islands]

It's a simple fact. Running from something that perceives you as prey, or a threat, will only increase their confidence.

but not running away when it's already barking aggressively and moving towards me at a considerable speed?

At least with running, you have a chance.

It does make you prey like. Wolves hunt deer, and deer run. So dogs will think YOU are a deer/prey, so they would chase you. Simple logic.

[Scomagia]

If you run from a dog you're provoking an attack and it is your fault. Learn2animals.

Let's set this straight ok?

The dog was ALREADY moving towards me as it was barking.

Running was the only reasonable response. ''It made things worse'' but not running away would have meant taking damage from it. It made sense to run.

And to blame me for running away from a vicious animal, to me that's close to victim blaming.

It was an unreasonable response. If you act like prey in front of a predator, you're inciting the predator to..........be a predator. Learn2animals.