Your Opinion of Political Correctness

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Why only first generation immigrants? You hear quite a bit about Irish-Americans during St. Patrick's Day, there are second and third-generation descendants of Mexican immigrants who refer to themselves as Mexican-American (or Latin American), and there are tons of people who refer to themselves as Italian-American despite never having been further east than the Jersey Shore. I have a few friends who refer to themselves as Scottish-American, and at least one has never seen the Highlands, contenting himself with wearing a kilt to formal functions.

"African-American" gives black Americans some sense of a shared ancestry, shared struggles, shared concerns, and a shared culture developed during and since slave times in a way that "black" does not. You may see this as unnecessary or ridiculous. I may not completely get it myself. Here's the thing: It's not up to either of us to make that call.

Now, let me turn it around: Why is this such an issue for you? What's wrong with using "African-American" rather than "Black", especially in journalism and in academia? What does it cost you? How does it cause you injury, or cause injury to those around you? How does this affect your life in the slightest, other than having to type a few extra letters on occasion? If prominent black people (including academics and community leaders) find the term more dignified than "black", and less clinical than "Negro", then why in the world wouldn't you say "Okay, African-American then" instead of wasting your energy fighting the change? Even if you don't have the sense of insight to understand why the term is preferable, do you at least have the sense of decency to go along with it so long as it doesn't cause you harm? It can't possibly be that difficult to remember the term, so that's not a real excuse.

1.) It leaves one with no term to refer to first generation immigrants from Africa to America
2.) Not all prominent blacks prefer the term. Bill Cosby comes to mind, indicating a black in America has almost no ties or relations to actual Africans. Heck, the NAACP still uses 'colored'
3.) A double standard is still in place; I can be called white or cracker with no repercussions (and indeed, I never really cared). Yet god forbid I use black, or even think about using the 'n-word', which only blacks have the privilege to use.
4.) If it was only this term I had to remember, it wouldn't be difficult to use it (despite the ungainly length compared to black), but it is not the only term PC wants you to remember, or forget, as the case may be. You must remember never to say oriental, mentally challenged, Easter, Christmas, negro, brainstorm, Indian, deaf, blind, manhole, policeman, fireman....
And then you must remember to replace them with Asian, intellectually impaired, Spring, Winter Holiday Season, <apparently there is no word for the color black in Spanish anymore>, though shower, Native American, hearing impaired, visually impaired, person hole, police officer, fire fighter... And then, you have to remember what all of those odd sexuality types are (pan?) and be sure to know the difference between gender and sex...

Yeah, no effort at all.
5.) My sense of decency says to stop what is rapidly becoming a culture of litigiousness and being easily offended before it gets out of control. It might already be, who knows, but if hurting a few oversensitive people's feelings at least keeps me from contributing towards a creep towards world of omnipresent censorship with good intentions, then I choose to do so.

1) Somali-American, or Mozambique-American, or Kenyan-American. It's the ones whose ancestors were taken so long ago who have to refer to the continent as a whole.

2) And?

3) Actually, very few people care if you use the term black in informal speech or writing. As far as "nigger" goes, do you really have such a desire to use the term? Is it that important to you?

4) You can use all of those holiday terms when referring to the holidays. Why are you so resistant to more inclusive language? All that fuss over an extra syllable or two.

5) I'm not sure that you get to define what's hypersensitivity on the part of others when it comes to terms describing them.

[Patridam]

1) Somali-American, or Mozambique-American, or Kenyan-American. It's the ones whose ancestors were taken so long ago who have to refer to the continent as a whole.

Or, you know, refer to them by their skin color like we do with white people. Or call white people European-American, I don't care, so long as its equitable.

2) And?

You were the one that stated all prominent black people preferred 'African American'. I was proving you wrong.

3) Actually, very few people care if you use the term black in informal speech or writing. As far as "nigger" goes, do you really have such a desire to use the term? Is it that important to you?

Yet you seem to care? I don't have a desire to use that, but I find it odd that blacks despise its use by white people while still using it to refer to one another [making a generalization, not all use it in self-reference]. I believe in equity among races, and getting rid of double standards is an important step.

4) You can use all of those holiday terms when referring to the holidays. Why are you so resistant to more inclusive language? All that fuss over an extra syllable or two.

Spring spheres have replaced Easter Eggs in public schools - Easter is not referred to. It's not the act of using lengthier and more inexact terms hastily devised because somebody thought somebody else wasn't being included - it's the fact that political correctness, is, at its core, censorship, well intentioned as it may be. And there is no place for censorship in a truly free society.

5) I'm not sure that you get to define what's hypersensitivity on the part of others when it comes to terms describing them.

Actually, I can. If you're insulted because somebody uses a word that could be creatively construed as partially insulting, boo hoo. Learn to deal with it. Save the heartbreak for legitimate hate speech.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Or, you know, refer to them by their skin color like we do with white people. Or call white people European-American, I don't care, so long as its equitable.

Except that there are whites who refer to themselves as Irish-American, Latinos who refer to themselves as Mexican-American, and so on. At this point, with the amount of protesting that you're doing over a minor matter of terminology, I'm beginning to suspect that you simply don't want to refer to black people with a term that imparts a certain level of dignity.

You were the one that stated all prominent black people preferred 'African American'. I was proving you wrong.

Where did I use the word "All"?

Yet you seem to care? I don't have a desire to use that, but I find it odd that blacks despise its use by white people while still using it to refer to one another [making a generalization, not all use it in self-reference]. I believe in equity among races, and getting rid of double standards is an important step.

The use of "nigger" among black people is a matter of some controversy in the community, and it is up to them to negotiate its usage. I will say that while black people refer to each other as "nigger" in friendly terms, with white people, the word has a very different history.

Spring spheres have replaced Easter Eggs in public schools - Easter is not referred to. It's not the act of using lengthier and more inexact terms hastily devised because somebody thought somebody else wasn't being included - it's the fact that political correctness, is, at its core, censorship, well intentioned as it may be. And there is no place for censorship in a truly free society.

Yes, in at least one public school, they are using the terms, because while not all of the kids celebrate Easter, the school wants all of them to participate in an egg hunt. Sorry, would you prefer that Jewish kids uncomfortable with taking part in a half-Christian-half-pagan ritual sit on the sidelines while the other kids have fun?

This isn't censorship. You can say "Christmas". You can say "Easter". You can even wish people happy versions of those holidays. Nobody is stopping you from doing so. It's just that in terms of governmental functions, they really aren't supposed to give precedence to any one religion, meaning that they can't give special precedence to any one religious holiday.

Actually, I can. If you're insulted because somebody uses a word that could be creatively construed as partially insulting, boo hoo. Learn to deal with it. Save the heartbreak for legitimate hate speech.

What word would that be? Black? If you're not writing a news story or an essay at school, I really doubt that anyone will get on your case for it.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

The use of "nigger" among black people is a matter of some controversy in the community, and it is up to them to negotiate its usage. I will say that while black people refer to each other as "nigger" in friendly terms, with white people, the word has a very different history.

I'm not sure about the use of "nigger" explicit though.

I mean, here in Dallas (and I know this is not representative of the population across the U.S.) people my generation and younger tend to use "nigga'" more often, which is its own word in our county culture down here. Among older black people and Latin Americans this is an issue of controversy though; although down here I haven't a black person use "nigger" to refer to another black person in friendly terms.

[Patridam]

I'm beginning to suspect that you simply don't want to refer to black people with a term that imparts a certain level of dignity.

Ah, I see: I don't agree with political correctness/you, so I must be a racist bigot trying to be cruel to minorities.

Yes, in at least one public school, they are using the terms, because while not all of the kids celebrate Easter, the school wants all of them to participate in an egg hunt. Sorry, would you prefer that Jewish kids uncomfortable with taking part in a half-Christian-half-pagan ritual sit on the sidelines while the other kids have fun?

If the fact they are called Easter Eggs makes them uncomfortable, they are being oversensitive to an extent that they will never be able to get along in society. No amount of secular renaming is going to take away the religious connotation, so they'll just have to deal with it if they want to have any fun. Also; I've found, at least with my Jewish relatives, that they partially celebrate Easter and Christmas and take no offense with Christmas trees and Easter egg hunts.

What word would that be? Black? If you're not writing a news story or an essay at school, I really doubt that anyone will get on your case for it.

I mean black. I mean brainstorming. I mean manhole, polish, negro, oriental, deaf, blind, disabled, denigrate, crippled, fireman, policeman, master, retard <since it can mean to slow down or retrograde>, and all of the other words that have become 'unacceptable' because somebody thought they could be possibly insulting.

And all of those words should be equally accepted in academic and journalistic context, as well as in casual conversation.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

The use of "nigger" among black people is a matter of some controversy in the community, and it is up to them to negotiate its usage. I will say that while black people refer to each other as "nigger" in friendly terms, with white people, the word has a very different history.

I'm not sure about the use of "nigger" explicit though.

I mean, here in Dallas (and I know this is not representative of the population across the U.S.) people my generation and younger tend to use "nigga'" more often, which is its own word in our county culture down here. Among older black people and Latin Americans this is an issue of controversy though; although down here I haven't a black person use "nigger" to refer to another black person in friendly terms.

It's possible that this is changing. I don't know. I'm of a generation that tended to avoid use of the word at all times. If the ones following me have managed to negotiate a different use without insulting anyone in the process, then so much the better.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I'm beginning to suspect that you simply don't want to refer to black people with a term that imparts a certain level of dignity.

Ah, I see: I don't agree with political correctness/you, so I must be a racist bigot.

Yes, in at least one public school, they are using the terms, because while not all of the kids celebrate Easter, the school wants all of them to participate in an egg hunt. Sorry, would you prefer that Jewish kids uncomfortable with taking part in a half-Christian-half-pagan ritual sit on the sidelines while the other kids have fun?

If the fact they are called Easter Eggs makes them uncomfortable, they are being oversensitive to an extent that they will never be able to get along in society. No amount of secular renaming is going to take away the religious connotation, so they'll just have to deal with it if they want to have any fun. Also; I've found, at least with my Jewish relatives, that they partially celebrate Easter and Christmas and take no offense with Christmas trees and Easter egg hunts.

What word would that be? Black? If you're not writing a news story or an essay at school, I really doubt that anyone will get on your case for it.

I mean black. I mean brainstorming. I mean manhole, polish, negro, oriental, deaf, blind, disabled, denigrate, crippled, fireman, policeman, master, retard <since it can mean to slow down or retrograde>, and all of the other words that have become 'unacceptable' because somebody thought they could be possibly insulting.

And all of those words should be equally accepted in academic and journalistic context, as well as in casual conversation.

I did not know deaf, blind, and disable were incorrect usage; or fireman or policeman, or even master or denigrate; as well as brainstorming.

Negro, while it should be acceptable in Spanish courses I do not see you succeeding at getting it to be seen differently when describing people in this day and age. And manhole? Isn't manholes the same as the sewer entrances?!

[Yumyumsuppertime]

I'm beginning to suspect that you simply don't want to refer to black people with a term that imparts a certain level of dignity.

Ah, I see: I don't agree with political correctness/you, so I must be a racist bigot trying to be cruel to minorities.

Yes, in at least one public school, they are using the terms, because while not all of the kids celebrate Easter, the school wants all of them to participate in an egg hunt. Sorry, would you prefer that Jewish kids uncomfortable with taking part in a half-Christian-half-pagan ritual sit on the sidelines while the other kids have fun?

If the fact they are called Easter Eggs makes them uncomfortable, they are being oversensitive to an extent that they will never be able to get along in society. No amount of secular renaming is going to take away the religious connotation, so they'll just have to deal with it if they want to have any fun. Also; I've found, at least with my Jewish relatives, that they partially celebrate Easter and Christmas and take no offense with Christmas trees and Easter egg hunts.

What word would that be? Black? If you're not writing a news story or an essay at school, I really doubt that anyone will get on your case for it.

I mean black. I mean brainstorming. I mean manhole, polish, negro, oriental, deaf, blind, disabled, denigrate, crippled, fireman, policeman, master, retard <since it can mean to slow down or retrograde>, and all of the other words that have become 'unacceptable' because somebody thought they could be possibly insulting.

And all of those words should be equally accepted in academic and journalistic context, as well as in casual conversation.

Brainstorming is still acceptable despite a couple of people complaining about it. See, this is the problem: You're taking actual overreactions on the part of a few people, and conflating them with more reasonable shifts in the use of language. "Brainstorming" was an overreaction, and there's no major movement to change the word despite a few people raising a fuss. I'm not going to wade through the rest, since you're combining words that haven't been used in popular discourse for years ("Negro") with words that aren't actually the subject of any major controversy outside of a very few people ("Denigrate").

[Patridam]

Ah, I see: I don't agree with political correctness/you, so I must be a racist bigot.



If the fact they are called Easter Eggs makes them uncomfortable, they are being oversensitive to an extent that they will never be able to get along in society. No amount of secular renaming is going to take away the religious connotation, so they'll just have to deal with it if they want to have any fun. Also; I've found, at least with my Jewish relatives, that they partially celebrate Easter and Christmas and take no offense with Christmas trees and Easter egg hunts.



I mean black. I mean brainstorming. I mean manhole, polish, negro, oriental, deaf, blind, disabled, denigrate, crippled, fireman, policeman, master, retard <since it can mean to slow down or retrograde>, and all of the other words that have become 'unacceptable' because somebody thought they could be possibly insulting.

And all of those words should be equally accepted in academic and journalistic context, as well as in casual conversation.

I did not know deaf, blind, and disable were incorrect usage; or fireman or policeman, or even master.

Negro, while it should be acceptable in Spanish courses I do not see you succeeding at getting it to be seen differently when describing people in this day and age. And manhole? Isn't manholes the same as the sewer entrances?!

Deaf is now 'hearing impaired', blind is now 'vision impaired', and disabled (along with handicapped) is now 'wheelchair user' or the medical term of their condition.

Manholes are now called personholes. Fireman and Policeman now must be fire fighters and police officers. Gender specific terms, even when referring to the correct gender, are not politically correct.

Negro got a Spanish teacher fired.

As far as Master; in the context of Master Bedroom it is not gender-neutral, so they're called Owner's Suites now; and in the context of Master-slave relationships in computer programs have fallen into disuse because it recalls slavery.

Brainstorming is still acceptable despite a couple of people complaining about it. See, this is the problem: You're taking actual overreactions on the part of a few people, and conflating them with more reasonable shifts in the use of language. "Brainstorming" was an overreaction, and there's no major movement to change the word despite a few people raising a fuss. I'm not going to wade through the rest, since you're combining words that haven't been used in popular discourse for years ("Negro") with words that aren't actually the subject of any major controversy outside of a very few people ("Denigrate").

My Latin teacher was told by the administration to stop teaching 'denigrate' as a derivative of niger, which is Latin for black. She had to fight to keep teaching the colors.

Negro was in the context of a Spanish classroom - a teacher was fired for teaching her students the word for black because some girl was oversensitive and the school district feared ridiculous lawsuits on the part of her parents.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

I did not know deaf, blind, and disable were incorrect usage; or fireman or policeman, or even master.

Negro, while it should be acceptable in Spanish courses I do not see you succeeding at getting it to be seen differently when describing people in this day and age. And manhole? Isn't manholes the same as the sewer entrances?!

Deaf is now 'hearing impaired', blind is now 'vision impaired', and disabled (along with handicapped) is now 'wheelchair user' or the medical term of their condition.

Manholes are now called personholes. Fireman and Policeman now must be fire fighters and police officers. Gender specific terms, even when referring to the correct gender, are not politically correct.

Negro got a Spanish teacher fired.

As far as Master; in the context of Master Bedroom it is not gender-neutral, so they're called Owner's Suites now; and in the context of Master-slave relationships in computer programs have fallen into disuse because it recalls slavery.

Brainstorming is still acceptable despite a couple of people complaining about it. See, this is the problem: You're taking actual overreactions on the part of a few people, and conflating them with more reasonable shifts in the use of language. "Brainstorming" was an overreaction, and there's no major movement to change the word despite a few people raising a fuss. I'm not going to wade through the rest, since you're combining words that haven't been used in popular discourse for years ("Negro") with words that aren't actually the subject of any major controversy outside of a very few people ("Denigrate").

My Latin teacher was told by the administration to stop teaching 'denigrate' as a derivative of niger, which is Latin for black. She had to fight to keep teaching the colors.

Negro was in the context of a Spanish classroom - a teacher was fired for teaching her students the word for black because some girl was oversensitive and the school district feared ridiculous lawsuits on the part of her parents.

And both of those are examples of going too far. However, you're throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

[Patridam]

Deaf is now 'hearing impaired', blind is now 'vision impaired', and disabled (along with handicapped) is now 'wheelchair user' or the medical term of their condition.

Manholes are now called personholes. Fireman and Policeman now must be fire fighters and police officers. Gender specific terms, even when referring to the correct gender, are not politically correct.

Negro got a Spanish teacher fired.

As far as Master; in the context of Master Bedroom it is not gender-neutral, so they're called Owner's Suites now; and in the context of Master-slave relationships in computer programs have fallen into disuse because it recalls slavery.



My Latin teacher was told by the administration to stop teaching 'denigrate' as a derivative of niger, which is Latin for black. She had to fight to keep teaching the colors.

Negro was in the context of a Spanish classroom - a teacher was fired for teaching her students the word for black because some girl was oversensitive and the school district feared ridiculous lawsuits on the part of her parents.

And both of those are examples of going too far. However, you're throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

No, I'm trying to throw out the bathwater because it's starting to smell of idiocy, but you won't let me because you're too worried I won't take the baby out first. I don't propose we return to a society that encourages hate speech and lynchings, but I don't think decreasing the reach of political correctness is going to take us back there, or even backwards at all. The baby is already out of the bath, as far as I can tell.

Anyway, here's the least politically correct thing I could find. I hope it makes some of you folks rage.

[Calimera II]

Saying that a Argentina should close it borders for some groups of low income earners is considered political incorrect these days.

So yeah, most of the times I find it annoying as hell.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

And both of those are examples of going too far. However, you're throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

No, I'm trying to throw out the bathwater because it's starting to smell of idiocy, but you won't let me because you're too worried I won't take the baby out first. I don't propose we return to a society that encourages hate speech and lynchings, but I don't think decreasing the reach of political correctness is going to take us back there, or even backwards at all. The baby is already out of the bath, as far as I can tell.

But you do seem to be arguing that language should not evolve to reflect new perspectives (e.g., "African-American" rather than "black") or to reflect reality with greater accuracy (e.g., "Police Officer" rather than "Policeman").

EDIT: Damn you for that link! Now I'm going to have that song stuck in my head all day!

[Patridam]

No, I'm trying to throw out the bathwater because it's starting to smell of idiocy, but you won't let me because you're too worried I won't take the baby out first. I don't propose we return to a society that encourages hate speech and lynchings, but I don't think decreasing the reach of political correctness is going to take us back there, or even backwards at all. The baby is already out of the bath, as far as I can tell.

But you do seem to be arguing that language should not evolve to reflect new perspectives (e.g., "African-American" rather than "black") or to reflect reality with greater accuracy (e.g., "Police Officer" rather than "Policeman").

African-American does not represent new perspectives any differently than black does - neither is insulting, demonizing, or unfair.

And I can't see why one can't use policeman when the person in question is indeed male; the word policewoman does indeed exist if she is female.

EDIT: Damn you for that link! Now I'm going to have that song stuck in my head all day!

Heh, I fancy the one targeted towards tourists in the UK. It's got pretty exaggerated stereotypes of an Englishman, a Scotsman, an Irishman (possibly a leprechaun?), and a Welsh woman.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

But you do seem to be arguing that language should not evolve to reflect new perspectives (e.g., "African-American" rather than "black") or to reflect reality with greater accuracy (e.g., "Police Officer" rather than "Policeman").

African-American does not represent new perspectives any differently than black does - neither is insulting, demonizing, or unfair.

And I can't see why one can't use policeman when the person in question is indeed male; the word policewoman does indeed exist if she is female.

Actually, African-American does represent a new perspective in terms of attempting to forge a cultural identity among a historically oppressed people, and to give them a sense of history stretching back to before slavery. Now, you may prefer "Black", and that's fine. Use it. Nobody will try to stop you, and if someone does, feel free to either go along with it or roll your eyes as your conscience dictates at the time.

We use "police officer" rather than "policeman" or "policewoman" because it describes a person by their job rather than their sex. By using separate terms, you're essentially implying a difference in how they do their jobs, an artificial and unnecessary separation.

[Glorious Freedonia]

No, I'm trying to throw out the bathwater because it's starting to smell of idiocy, but you won't let me because you're too worried I won't take the baby out first. I don't propose we return to a society that encourages hate speech and lynchings, but I don't think decreasing the reach of political correctness is going to take us back there, or even backwards at all. The baby is already out of the bath, as far as I can tell.

But you do seem to be arguing that language should not evolve to reflect new perspectives (e.g., "African-American" rather than "black") or to reflect reality with greater accuracy (e.g., "Police Officer" rather than "Policeman").

EDIT: Damn you for that link! Now I'm going to have that song stuck in my head all day!

I can't speak for him but I think that language should not evolve to reflect new perspectives. Evolving language is a stupid idea because it makes older books less easy to read by future generations.

[Mollary]

I don't believe there should be any laws against offensive speech (so long as it doesn't invoke a threat of violence), but that doesn't mean that people who say something offensive don't have the right to be criticised.

[Galloism]

But you do seem to be arguing that language should not evolve to reflect new perspectives (e.g., "African-American" rather than "black") or to reflect reality with greater accuracy (e.g., "Police Officer" rather than "Policeman").

EDIT: Damn you for that link! Now I'm going to have that song stuck in my head all day!

I can't speak for him but I think that language should not evolve to reflect new perspectives. Evolving language is a stupid idea because it makes older books less easy to read by future generations.

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How do you propose we stop language evolution?

[Blakk Metal]

Deaf is now 'hearing impaired', blind is now 'vision impaired', and disabled (along with handicapped) is now 'wheelchair user' or the medical term of their condition.

Manholes are now called personholes. Fireman and Policeman now must be fire fighters and police officers. Gender specific terms, even when referring to the correct gender, are not politically correct.

Negro got a Spanish teacher fired.

As far as Master; in the context of Master Bedroom it is not gender-neutral, so they're called Owner's Suites now; and in the context of Master-slave relationships in computer programs have fallen into disuse because it recalls slavery.



My Latin teacher was told by the administration to stop teaching 'denigrate' as a derivative of niger, which is Latin for black. She had to fight to keep teaching the colors.

Negro was in the context of a Spanish classroom - a teacher was fired for teaching her students the word for black because some girl was oversensitive and the school district feared ridiculous lawsuits on the part of her parents.

And both of those are examples of going too far. However, you're throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

There is no baby to save. PC has nothing good to offer.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

And both of those are examples of going too far. However, you're throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

There is no baby to save. PC has nothing good to offer.

Except an attempt to promote a culture of mutual respect, tolerance, and acknowledgement of it where respect and tolerance are lacking. Some people go overboard. Some people will go overboard with anything. That doesn't mean that the original goals are bad, or even that the original methods lack merit.

[Blakk Metal]

There is no baby to save. PC has nothing good to offer.

Except an attempt to promote a culture of mutual respect, tolerance, and acknowledgement of it where respect and tolerance are lacking.

The way you use 'tolerance' is worthless newspeak. SJWs don't want tolerance, they want acceptance, and have repeatedly used force, dishonest manipulation, and McCarthyist methods on people to accept their favored groups.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I can't speak for him but I think that language should not evolve to reflect new perspectives. Evolving language is a stupid idea because it makes older books less easy to read by future generations.

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How do you propose we stop language evolution?

They don't, they just think that all issues with it will magically disappear.

Just like everything else we have progressed upon during the last 60 years or so. Such is the product of wishful thinking.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Except an attempt to promote a culture of mutual respect, tolerance, and acknowledgement of it where respect and tolerance are lacking.

The way you use 'tolerance' is worthless newspeak. SJWs don't want tolerance, they want acceptance, and have repeatedly used force, dishonest manipulation, and McCarthyist methods on people to accept their favored groups.

So in other words you don't know what you're talking about. Impressive.

[Blakk Metal]

The way you use 'tolerance' is worthless newspeak. SJWs don't want tolerance, they want acceptance, and have repeatedly used force, dishonest manipulation, and McCarthyist methods on people to accept their favored groups.

So in other words you don't know what you're talking about. Impressive.

I thought you were ignoring me because I managed to conveniently say things that contradicted you and couldn't be disproven.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

So in other words you don't know what you're talking about. Impressive.

I thought you were ignoring me because I managed to conveniently say things that contradicted you and couldn't be disproven.

No I am just ignoring you because you're an insufferable person and everytime we speak makes me want to bust my own kneecaps. My point still stands though, that you really have no idea what you're talking about.