Abortion: human right?

by **Atlanticatia** » Sun Jul 27, 2014 4:59 pm

Northern-Armeania wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
If the mother doesn't want to deal with a pregnancy then yeah, tough luck. Just like if you had to be hooked up to my body to live, I could say tough luck bud and disconnect you because it's my body and my choice. Also, fallacies are bad m'kay.

So did your mother have a right to abort you?

Yep. I wasn't "me" at that time. She had the right to choose whether or not that collection of cells continued to grow, and whether or not she could raise me and support me.

by **Imperializt Russia** » Sun Jul 27, 2014 5:00 pm

Northern-Armeania wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
If the mother doesn't want to deal with a pregnancy then yeah, tough luck. Just like if you had to be hooked up to my body to live, I could say tough luck bud and disconnect you because it's my body and my choice. Also, fallacies are bad m'kay.

So did your mother have a right to abort you?

Yep.

by **Atlanticatia** » Sun Jul 27, 2014 5:01 pm

Northern-Armeania wrote:
Atlanticatia wrote:Banning abortion is just nonsensical.

a) A fetus is not life. It's reliant on the nutrients and life of the mother. It is not viable until a certain point later in the pregnancy.
b) It is ultimately up to the mother whether or not she becomes pregnant, remains pregnant, or gives birth
c) It is better to have abortions be safe, legal, and rare (by making birth control accessible), rather than to have abortions be common, extremely unsafe, and criminalized
d) If you are anti-choice - don't get an abortion. Focus on making sure women can access birth control, kids receive comprehensive sexual health and safety training in school, and that there is a strong support structure for at-risk families if they do decide to proceed with the pregnancy

I will always hold the viewpoint that it is a woman's right to choose, and that the state has no place in controlling her sexual health.

I agree abortion will only end when we change peoples hearts. That is more important to me than changing the law.

What are you agreeing on with me? Are you pro-choice now?
And what does that mean "when we change peoples hearts".

by **Othelos** » Sun Jul 27, 2014 5:01 pm

Northern-Armeania wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
If the mother doesn't want to deal with a pregnancy then yeah, tough luck. Just like if you had to be hooked up to my body to live, I could say tough luck bud and disconnect you because it's my body and my choice. Also, fallacies are bad m'kay.

So did your mother have a right to abort you?

Yep.

by **Arkolon** » Sun Jul 27, 2014 5:01 pm

Northern-Armeania wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
If the mother doesn't want to deal with a pregnancy then yeah, tough luck. Just like if you had to be hooked up to my body to live, I could say tough luck bud and disconnect you because it's my body and my choice. Also, fallacies are bad m'kay.

So did your mother have a right to abort you?

If she wanted to do so, she very well could have.

by **Kainesia** » Sun Jul 27, 2014 5:01 pm

Atlanticatia wrote:
Northern-Armeania wrote:I agree abortion will only end when we change peoples hearts. That is more important to me than changing the law.

What are you agreeing on with me? Are you pro-choice now?
And what does that mean "when we change peoples hearts".

Something that is damn impossible.

by **Othelos** » Sun Jul 27, 2014 5:02 pm

Northern-Armeania wrote:Does anyone deny that this http://americanpregnancy.org/content/up ... 183657.jpg
has a right to remain alive? This one is early in development by the way.

If it's violating the mother's bodily sovereignty, then yes, she should be able to get it aborted.

by **Northern-Armeania** » Sun Jul 27, 2014 5:02 pm

Atlanticatia wrote:
Northern-Armeania wrote:I agree abortion will only end when we change peoples hearts. That is more important to me than changing the law.

What are you agreeing on with me? Are you pro-choice now?
And what does that mean "when we change peoples hearts".

When people realize in their hearts that Abortion is taking an innocent human life.

by **Kainesia** » Sun Jul 27, 2014 5:02 pm

Northern-Armeania wrote:
Atlanticatia wrote:
What are you agreeing on with me? Are you pro-choice now?
And what does that mean "when we change peoples hearts".

When people realize in their hearts that Abortion is taking an innocent human life.

Honestly wouldn't concern me. It has no feeling.

by **Washington Resistance Army** » Sun Jul 27, 2014 5:03 pm

Northern-Armeania wrote:
Atlanticatia wrote:
What are you agreeing on with me? Are you pro-choice now?
And what does that mean "when we change peoples hearts".

When people realize in their hearts that Abortion is taking an innocent human life.

Except it's not.

by **Northern-Armeania** » Sun Jul 27, 2014 5:03 pm

Othelos wrote:
Northern-Armeania wrote:Does anyone deny that this http://americanpregnancy.org/content/up ... 183657.jpg
has a right to remain alive? This one is early in development by the way.

If it's violating the mother's bodily sovereignty, then yes, she should be able to get it aborted.

So do those twins who are stuck together have a right to kill each other.

by **Atlanticatia** » Sun Jul 27, 2014 5:03 pm

Northern-Armeania wrote:
Atlanticatia wrote:
What are you agreeing on with me? Are you pro-choice now?
And what does that mean "when we change peoples hearts".

When people realize in their hearts that Abortion is taking an innocent human life.

How does someone realize something in their hearts? Do hearts have brains?

People need to realize in their brains that they should trust the very credible science that proves abortion isn't the "taking of a human life".

by **Northern-Armeania** » Sun Jul 27, 2014 5:04 pm

Kainesia wrote:
Northern-Armeania wrote:
When people realize in their hearts that Abortion is taking an innocent human life.

Honestly wouldn't concern me. It has no feeling.

I dont think so.

by **Othelos** » Sun Jul 27, 2014 5:04 pm

Kainesia wrote:
Northern-Armeania wrote:So did your mother have a right to abort you?

Yeah, and i wouldn't care because i wouldn't be here. I probably would have crawled out and be all like good decision.

lmao

by **Washington Resistance Army** » Sun Jul 27, 2014 5:04 pm

Northern-Armeania wrote:
Kainesia wrote:
Honestly wouldn't concern me. It has no feeling.

I dont think so.

Well you're wrong, sorry.

by **Neutraligon** » Sun Jul 27, 2014 5:04 pm

Northern-Armeania wrote:
Othelos wrote:If it's violating the mother's bodily sovereignty, then yes, she should be able to get it aborted.

So do those twins who are stuck together have a right to kill each other.

Considering they are actually alive, no. There is also the fact that it would be incredibly stupid to do so if they are truly interconnected, since that would essentially be suicide.

by **Northern-Armeania** » Sun Jul 27, 2014 5:04 pm

Atlanticatia wrote:
Northern-Armeania wrote:
When people realize in their hearts that Abortion is taking an innocent human life.

How does someone realize something in their hearts? Do hearts have brains?

People need to realize in their brains that they should trust the very credible science that proves abortion isn't the "taking of a human life".

I have anaylized the evidence and came to the conclusion that abortion is the taking of a human life.

by **Othelos** » Sun Jul 27, 2014 5:05 pm

Northern-Armeania wrote:
Atlanticatia wrote:
What are you agreeing on with me? Are you pro-choice now?
And what does that mean "when we change peoples hearts".

When people realize in their hearts that Abortion is taking an innocent human life.

It doesn't matter how you feel about it. It only matter how the mother feels. Hence, you have no right to decide whether or not she gets an abortion.

It is possible to be against abortion personally, while pro-choice, in order to respect the rights of others.

by **Neutraligon** » Sun Jul 27, 2014 5:05 pm

Northern-Armeania wrote:
Atlanticatia wrote:
How does someone realize something in their hearts? Do hearts have brains?

People need to realize in their brains that they should trust the very credible science that proves abortion isn't the "taking of a human life".

I have anaylized the evidence and came to the conclusion that abortion is the taking of a human life.

And? I hae the right not to be attached to another person. I also have the right not to house that person within my body.

by **Atlanticatia** » Sun Jul 27, 2014 5:05 pm

Northern-Armeania wrote:
Atlanticatia wrote:
How does someone realize something in their hearts? Do hearts have brains?

People need to realize in their brains that they should trust the very credible science that proves abortion isn't the "taking of a human life".

I have anaylized the evidence and came to the conclusion that abortion is the taking of a human life.

Please, elaborate on your "anaylizis".

by **Aushanit** » Sun Jul 27, 2014 5:06 pm

I don't consister it a human right but rather the UN deceleration of human rights doesn't bother itself with undo eloped humans and that it needs to be a think regarding the state and how they view it.

by **Kainesia** » Sun Jul 27, 2014 5:06 pm

Northern-Armeania wrote:
Othelos wrote:If it's violating the mother's bodily sovereignty, then yes, she should be able to get it aborted.

So do those twins who are stuck together have a right to kill each other.

Some shark babies do that, the biggest one eats its siblings in the womb. We should do that, get all hunger games and shit in there.

by **Othelos** » Sun Jul 27, 2014 5:06 pm

Northern-Armeania wrote:
Atlanticatia wrote:
How does someone realize something in their hearts? Do hearts have brains?

People need to realize in their brains that they should trust the very credible science that proves abortion isn't the "taking of a human life".

I have anaylized the evidence and came to the conclusion that abortion is the taking of a human life.

Women have the right not to have their bodily sovereignty violated.

by **Othelos** » Sun Jul 27, 2014 5:07 pm

Northern-Armeania wrote:
Othelos wrote:If it's violating the mother's bodily sovereignty, then yes, she should be able to get it aborted.

So do those twins who are stuck together have a right to kill each other.

No, but they can choose to be separated, if possible.

by **Sin and Debauchery** » Sun Jul 27, 2014 5:08 pm

Northern-Armeania wrote:
Atlanticatia wrote:
What are you agreeing on with me? Are you pro-choice now?
And what does that mean "when we change peoples hearts".

When people realize in their hearts that Abortion is taking an innocent human life.

Yep, its true.
Its useless and illegitimate to prosecute people for having abortions, but people should also be aware of the consequence of their action: the loss of a human life, be it considered potential human life, or actual human life

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