Abortion: human right?

[Northern-Armeania]

A fetus is what I consider to be a life. In certain stages it can kick, laugh, feel, etc. Would you agree that little fetus(I consider it baby anyway) in that womb that's kicking should be aborted?

I consider a cow (indeed, many people do) to be life. Is it murder to kill a cow? No, because it's not an unlawful killing.

Back too square one, the Holocaust was legal in NAZI Germany, do you consider that murder?

[Ifreann]

If the mother chooses so, yes. It's violating her bodily sovereignty.

It's incredibly sick that you'd be 100% OK with a mother terminating a life inside of her that can feel, kick, and giggle. Something that's legal. That is sick.

It's not the mother's life, forget about the mother - it's about the life of that baby in there. I don't give a damn what the mother wants.

Please expand upon this denial of women's rights.

[Neutraligon]

I consider a cow (indeed, many people do) to be life. Is it murder to kill a cow? No, because it's not an unlawful killing.

Back too square one, the Holocaust was legal in NAZI Germany, do you consider that murder?

At the time it was not murder. That does not say anything about whether it was right or not, but it was not murder.

[Othelos]

I consider a cow (indeed, many people do) to be life. Is it murder to kill a cow? No, because it's not an unlawful killing.

That's a red herring. We're not talking about the termination of animal life, we're talking about the termination of human life.

still not murder. Murder is based on legality, not morality.

[Othelos]

If the mother chooses so, yes. It's violating her bodily sovereignty.

It's incredibly sick that you'd be 100% OK with a mother terminating a life inside of her that can feel, kick, and giggle. Something that's legal. That is sick.

It's not the mother's life, forget about the mother - it's about the life of that baby in there. I don't give a damn what the mother wants.

Who said I was okay with it? My personal feelings about abortion have nothing to do with the fact that it would be violating a woman's bodily sovereignty.

[Imperializt Russia]

I consider a cow (indeed, many people do) to be life. Is it murder to kill a cow? No, because it's not an unlawful killing.

Meat is murder. I don't see how this is deniable, even by meat-eaters.

What is undeniable is that it is killing.
It is not unlawful to kill a cow. Unless it's not yours, that's destruction of property.
But still not murder.

[Northern-Armeania]

It's incredibly sick that you'd be 100% OK with a mother terminating a life inside of her that can feel, kick, and giggle. Something that's legal. That is sick.

It's not the mother's life, forget about the mother - it's about the life of that baby in there. I don't give a damn what the mother wants.

Please expand upon this denial of women's rights.

With pleasure, so half the time in an abortion a little women is killed, about 25 million have been killed in the US alone since 1973, if not aborted they could have grown up and had an abortion themselves, in addition to maybe coming up with the cure for cancer.

[Kainesia]

If the mother chooses so, yes. It's violating her bodily sovereignty.

It's incredibly sick that you'd be 100% OK with a mother terminating a life inside of her that can feel, kick, and giggle. Something that's legal. That is sick.

It's not the mother's life, forget about the mother - it's about the life of that baby in there. I don't give a damn what the mother wants.

I have never heard a foetus giggle.

When little brother was on his way i didn't hear any ROPLs.

[Othelos]

Please expand upon this denial of women's rights.

With pleasure, so half the time in an abortion a little women is killed, about 25 million have been killed in the US alone since 1973, if not aborted they could have grown up and had an abortion themselves, in addition to maybe coming up with the cure for cancer.

what?

[Neutraligon]

Please expand upon this denial of women's rights.

With pleasure, so half the time in an abortion a little women is killed, about 25 million have been killed in the US alone since 1973, if not aborted they could have grown up and had an abortion themselves, in addition to maybe coming up with the cure for cancer.

Yay another fallacy appeal from consequence.

[Arkolon]

Meat is murder. I don't see how this is deniable, even by meat-eaters.

Because murder is only applicable to human beings to them. I believe they refer to animal-killing as "putting down"

The "slaughter" in slaughterhouse is just too difficult to come to terms with for meat-eaters, I guess.

[Imperializt Russia]

Please expand upon this denial of women's rights.

With pleasure, so half the time in an abortion a little women is killed, about 25 million have been killed in the US alone since 1973, if not aborted they could have grown up and had an abortion themselves, in addition to maybe coming up with the cure for cancer.

The notion that we haven't discovered the cure for cancer because abortion exists is pretty fallacious.

[Draica]

That's a red herring. We're not talking about the termination of animal life, we're talking about the termination of human life.

Humans are animals, why is a human life anymore important than a cow? Or a pig?

We humans are a fully sentient species. We humans are the reason for 3,000+ years of innovation through warfare, thinking, studying, observing, calculations, etc. We humans have built tribes, pyramids, Kingdoms, grand libaries full of thousands of years of knowledge. We humans have created and gave so much to the world that it's unbelievable.

We went from pyramids to the Great wall of China.

We went from astronomy to Mathematics.

We have had some of the most brilliant minds on our planet give us some of the most brilliant things on our planet.

In the animal kingdom, it is kill or be killed. Eat or be eaten. Destroy or be destroyed. It is salvage, barbaric, rutheless slaughter.

It is disgusting, however that is the way it is.

That, my friend, is why a human life will always be greater than an animal life. Both should be respected, but not equally.

[Draica]

It's incredibly sick that you'd be 100% OK with a mother terminating a life inside of her that can feel, kick, and giggle. Something that's legal. That is sick.

It's not the mother's life, forget about the mother - it's about the life of that baby in there. I don't give a damn what the mother wants.

Please expand upon this denial of women's rights.

The woman doesn't have no rights. She doesn't have shit when the baby's involved, when her body is involved it's OK. But when there's another life inside her body, developed or undeveloped? She better move aside.

[Northern-Armeania]

It's incredibly sick that you'd be 100% OK with a mother terminating a life inside of her that can feel, kick, and giggle. Something that's legal. That is sick.

It's not the mother's life, forget about the mother - it's about the life of that baby in there. I don't give a damn what the mother wants.

I have never heard a foetus giggle.

When little brother was on his way i didn't hear any ROPLs.

Not the humorous type I guess, have you looked at any Fetsus yet, also look at one early in development too, they might be two inches long but they look just like a little baby.

[Ifreann]

Please expand upon this denial of women's rights.

With pleasure, so half the time in an abortion a little women is killed, about 25 million have been killed in the US alone since 1973, if not aborted they could have grown up and had an abortion themselves, in addition to maybe coming up with the cure for cancer.

I find it amusing that when I said "women" you took that to mean "unborn females".

[Arkolon]

Meat is murder. I don't see how this is deniable, even by meat-eaters.

What is undeniable is that it is killing.
It is not unlawful to kill a cow. Unless it's not yours, that's destruction of property.
But still not murder.

True, the dictionary definition of murder seems to agree with you. But that is addressing "unlawful" in reference to man-made law. On what grounds is killing animals not unlawful in, say, natural law?

[Neutraligon]

Humans are animals, why is a human life anymore important than a cow? Or a pig?

We humans are a fully sentient species. We humans are the reason for 3,000+ years of innovation through warfare, thinking, studying, observing, calculations, etc. We humans have built tribes, pyramids, Kingdoms, grand libaries full of thousands of years of knowledge. We humans have created and gave so much to the world that it's unbelievable.

We went from pyramids to the Great wall of China.

We went from astronomy to Mathematics.

We have had some of the most brilliant minds on our planet give us some of the most brilliant things on our planet.

In the animal kingdom, it is kill or be killed. Eat or be eaten. Destroy or be destroyed. It is salvage, barbaric, rutheless slaughter.

It is disgusting, however that is the way it is.

That, my friend, is why a human life will always be greater than an animal life. Both should be respected, but not equally.

Spiders don't build webs? Termites don't build? Apes don't use tools?

[Othelos]

Please expand upon this denial of women's rights.

The woman doesn't have no rights. She doesn't have shit when the baby's involved, when her body is involved it's OK. But when there's another life inside her body, developed or undeveloped? She better move aside.

Do you believe that people have the right to bodily sovereignty?

[MERIZoC]

I consider a cow (indeed, many people do) to be life. Is it murder to kill a cow? No, because it's not an unlawful killing.

Meat is murder. I don't see how this is deniable, even by meat-eaters.

That's some pretty liberal stuff you're spouting there, Ark. Sure you're not a closet socialist?

[Draica]

We humans are a fully sentient species. We humans are the reason for 3,000+ years of innovation through warfare, thinking, studying, observing, calculations, etc. We humans have built tribes, pyramids, Kingdoms, grand libaries full of thousands of years of knowledge. We humans have created and gave so much to the world that it's unbelievable.

We went from pyramids to the Great wall of China.

We went from astronomy to Mathematics.

We have had some of the most brilliant minds on our planet give us some of the most brilliant things on our planet.

In the animal kingdom, it is kill or be killed. Eat or be eaten. Destroy or be destroyed. It is salvage, barbaric, rutheless slaughter.

It is disgusting, however that is the way it is.

That, my friend, is why a human life will always be greater than an animal life. Both should be respected, but not equally.

Spiders don't build webs? Termites don't build? Apes don't use tools?

Red herring, red herring, red herring!

None of those beings have gave us mathematics, science nor the amazing structures we see today.

[Neutraligon]

I have never heard a foetus giggle.

When little brother was on his way i didn't hear any ROPLs.

Not the humorous type I guess, have you looked at any Fetsus yet, also look at one early in development too, they might be two inches long but they look just like a little baby.

Again appeal to emotion. Oh and this looks human?

[Northern-Armeania]

The woman doesn't have no rights. She doesn't have shit when the baby's involved, when her body is involved it's OK. But when there's another life inside her body, developed or undeveloped? She better move aside.

Do you believe that people have the right to bodily sovereignty?

Yeah, just not that someones else's right to live comes above that.

[Neutraligon]

Spiders don't build webs? Termites don't build? Apes don't use tools?

Red herring, red herring, red herring!

None of those beings have gave us mathematics, science nor the amazing structures we see today.

You only give those things value because you want to. I could equally look at the amazing colony of bees and how they work together, build hives and make their own food.

[Greater Israelia]

Humans are animals, why is a human life anymore important than a cow? Or a pig?

We humans are a fully sentient species. We humans are the reason for 3,000+ years of innovation through warfare, thinking, studying, observing, calculations, etc. We humans have built tribes, pyramids, Kingdoms, grand libaries full of thousands of years of knowledge. We humans have created and gave so much to the world that it's unbelievable.

We went from pyramids to the Great wall of China.

We went from astronomy to Mathematics.

We have had some of the most brilliant minds on our planet give us some of the most brilliant things on our planet.

In the animal kingdom, it is kill or be killed. Eat or be eaten. Destroy or be destroyed. It is salvage, barbaric, rutheless slaughter.

It is disgusting, however that is the way it is.

That, my friend, is why a human life will always be greater than an animal life. Both should be respected, but not equally.