Abortion: human right?

[Valaran]

I believe the babies have a right to life, its that simple, also if your pro choice Google image a fetus. They are so CUTE!!!!!!
Look at the picture on this link and tell me why killing that baby that could survive on its own is not murder.
http://pregnancy.about.com/od/fetus/ss/ ... tus_10.htm

If the fetus can survive on it's own, there should not be an abortion. Not many people dispute that argument.

Agreed. Though (nearly) up to that point abortions should be allowed

[Ifreann]

Abortion is murder, period.

No it's not, full stop.

[Benuty]

If the fetus can survive on it's own, there should not be an abortion. Not many people dispute that argument.

34% of NSG apparently disagrees, the largest voting category.

If a fetus can survive on its own, would it really be an abortion?

[Neutraligon]

No. Murder is based on legality, not morality.

Was still wrong though. As is abortion. By the religious definition, it is murder.

Depends which religion.

[Othelos]

yes, but if you gamble and get pregnant, you can stop being pregnant.

There are lots of things you can have, that are not human rights. I think you have a right to not be stopped from having an abortion, but I don't think you have a right to have one. Rights are things which you must have under all circumstances. Abortions are just conveniences of our wealthy, technologically advanced modern world.

Abortions have been happening for a long time, not just in modern times. it was just much more dangerous.

And I agree with you. As a specified in the OP, people have the right to choose whether or not to get an abortion (not that abortion itself is a right).

[Ifreann]

34% of NSG apparently disagrees, the largest voting category.

If a fetus can survive on its own, would it really be an abortion?

Is the pregnancy ending before birth occurs? Then yes, it is an abortion.

[Othelos]

Abortion is murder, period.

Murder is unlawful killing. Since getting an abortion is legal, it's not murder.

[MERIZoC]

Abortion is murder, period.

A one Supreme Court of the United States disagrees.

[Imperializt Russia]

34% of NSG apparently disagrees, the largest voting category.

If a fetus can survive on its own, would it really be an abortion?

Partial-birth abortion is considered an "abortion", so most likely.

Abortion is the act of forcibly terminating a pregnancy.

[Draica]

Abortion is murder, period.

No it's not, full stop.

A fetus is what I consider to be a life. In certain stages it can kick, laugh, feel, etc. Would you agree that little fetus(I consider it baby anyway) in that womb that's kicking should be aborted?

[Northern-Armeania]

Killing Jews in NAZI Germany was legal in NAZI Germany, its that not murder?

No. Murder is based on legality, not morality.

Ok, then what makes Abortion any different than the Holocaust, 50 million have been aborted since 1973. What makes the Holocaust the pinnacle of human evil and the death of 50 million babies ok?

[Draica]

Abortion is murder, period.

A one Supreme Court of the United States disagrees.

I don't care what a group of men say. They do not have the right to take and give life, they are mortals.

[MERIZoC]

No it's not, full stop.

A fetus is what I consider to be a life. In certain stages it can kick, laugh, feel, etc. Would you agree that little fetus(I consider it baby anyway) in that womb that's kicking should be aborted?

I consider a cow (indeed, many people do) to be life. Is it murder to kill a cow? No, because it's not an unlawful killing.

[Othelos]

No it's not, full stop.

A fetus is what I consider to be a life. In certain stages it can kick, laugh, feel, etc. Would you agree that little fetus(I consider it baby anyway) in that womb that's kicking should be aborted?

If the mother chooses so, yes. It's violating her bodily sovereignty.

[Arkolon]

There's the euthanasia/age of consent witty argument, which I may or may not give depending on whether or not they've already been given in this thread. "Not much of a libertarian if ur against abortion lol" isn't an actual valid argument, considering that most libertarians base their arguments on the NAP, and that abortion then becomes a very touchy subject in this respect. I would actually consider abortion murder, personally, if it wasn't for the euthanasia/age of consent arguments. Also, that partial birth abortion is pretty horrid, and I don't like it one bit, keeping in mind that the child is alive during the process.

Also, argument to the UDHR should become a fallacy. Seriously, it's words on a bit of paper. It's not a list of human rights, it's a list of temporary privileges granted by an institution that hasn't even existed for 0.003% (100 years) of humanity's existence.

Go natural rights!

[MERIZoC]

No. Murder is based on legality, not morality.

Ok, then what makes Abortion any different than the Holocaust, 50 million have been aborted since 1973. What makes the Holocaust the pinnacle of human evil and the death of 50 million babies ok?

Because those people put into the gas chambers were capable of thought, and felt pain.

[Othelos]

A one Supreme Court of the United States disagrees.

I don't care what a group of men say. They do not have the right to take and give life, they are mortals.

They aren't the ones giving or taking lives.

[Draica]

A fetus is what I consider to be a life. In certain stages it can kick, laugh, feel, etc. Would you agree that little fetus(I consider it baby anyway) in that womb that's kicking should be aborted?

I consider a cow (indeed, many people do) to be life. Is it murder to kill a cow? No, because it's not an unlawful killing.

That's a red herring. We're not talking about the termination of animal life, we're talking about the termination of human life.

[Northern-Armeania]

Abortion is murder, period.

No it's not, full stop.

What makes killing this http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-1285698 ... uuAgXg-1-0
OK

[Ifreann]

No it's not, full stop.

A fetus is what I consider to be a life. In certain stages it can kick, laugh, feel, etc. Would you agree that little fetus(I consider it baby anyway) in that womb that's kicking should be aborted?

If the mother does not want to be pregnant, then she should be allowed to abort her pregnancy. What you consider life or a baby is not relevant.

[Arkolon]

A fetus is what I consider to be a life. In certain stages it can kick, laugh, feel, etc. Would you agree that little fetus(I consider it baby anyway) in that womb that's kicking should be aborted?

I consider a cow (indeed, many people do) to be life. Is it murder to kill a cow? No, because it's not an unlawful killing.

Meat is murder. I don't see how this is deniable, even by meat-eaters.

[Northern-Armeania]

Ok, then what makes Abortion any different than the Holocaust, 50 million have been aborted since 1973. What makes the Holocaust the pinnacle of human evil and the death of 50 million babies ok?

Because those people put into the gas chambers were capable of thought, and felt pain.

I believe the Fetus feels pain

[Washington Resistance Army]

I consider a cow (indeed, many people do) to be life. Is it murder to kill a cow? No, because it's not an unlawful killing.

That's a red herring. We're not talking about the termination of animal life, we're talking about the termination of human life.

Humans are animals, why is a human life anymore important than a cow? Or a pig?

[Draica]

A fetus is what I consider to be a life. In certain stages it can kick, laugh, feel, etc. Would you agree that little fetus(I consider it baby anyway) in that womb that's kicking should be aborted?

If the mother chooses so, yes. It's violating her bodily sovereignty.

It's incredibly sick that you'd be 100% OK with a mother terminating a life inside of her that can feel, kick, and giggle. Something that's legal. That is sick.

It's not the mother's life, forget about the mother - it's about the life of that baby in there. I don't give a damn what the mother wants.

[Unitaristic Regions]

I consider a cow (indeed, many people do) to be life. Is it murder to kill a cow? No, because it's not an unlawful killing.

Meat is murder. I don't see how this is deniable, even by meat-eaters.

Because murder is only applicable to human beings to them. I believe they refer to animal-killing as "putting down"