Abortion: human right?

[Sun Wukong]

Holy Midas's gold scrotum. That's indeed insane.

Remember 4-sided Triangles? He went through a period of arguing that all sex was rape. Fortunately someone managed to talk him out of it.

I drink to forget.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

Remember 4-sided Triangles? He went through a period of arguing that all sex was rape. Fortunately someone managed to talk him out of it.

I drink to forget.

NSG is going to be the reason I become a heroin addict in 4 years, give or take.

[Nazi Flower Power]

Remember 4-sided Triangles? He went through a period of arguing that all sex was rape. Fortunately someone managed to talk him out of it.

I drink to forget.

Yes, his gender issue threads could be traumatizing.

[Nazi Flower Power]

I drink to forget.

NSG is going to be the reason I become a heroin addict in 4 years, give or take.

I'm sure some of the idiots are teenagers who will eventually outgrow the worst of their idiotic views.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Holy Midas's gold scrotum. That's indeed insane.

Remember 4-sided Triangles? He went through a period of arguing that all sex was rape. Fortunately someone managed to talk him out of it.

Yes, I do recall FST. Such craziness. For a time I thought he was just trolling, tbh.

[Nazi Flower Power]

Remember 4-sided Triangles? He went through a period of arguing that all sex was rape. Fortunately someone managed to talk him out of it.

Yes, I do recall FST. Such craziness. For a time I thought he was just trolling, tbh.

Nah, he was serious. He was very confused about everything to do with sexuality.

[T Roosevelt]

Rape and incest only.
Other than that, no.

I don't think that's in whole fair to the child or the mother. The problems that come with abortion like complications and depression don't adequately make life good for either.

[Sun Wukong]

Rape and incest only.
Other than that, no.

I don't think that's in whole fair to the child or the mother. The problems that come with abortion like complications and depression don't adequately make life good for either.

Postpartum depression occurs whether you have an abortion or carry to term. Complications with abortion are fewer then complications associated with childbirth.

You make a wonderful argument for abortion.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Yes, I do recall FST. Such craziness. For a time I thought he was just trolling, tbh.

Nah, he was serious. He was very confused about everything to do with sexuality.

I was going to say that I tend not to take what some posters say at face value and then I remembered that yes, some people do hold very strange ideas out of confusion or plain ignorance. So you're right. It is perfectly possible that FST was just so confused he bought into some radical feminist ideas that, frankly, IMO, hurt the movement rather than help it.

[Nazi Flower Power]

Nah, he was serious. He was very confused about everything to do with sexuality.

I was going to say that I tend not to take what some posters say at face value and then I remembered that yes, some people do hold very strange ideas out of confusion or plain ignorance. So you're right. It is perfectly possible that FST was just so confused he bought into some radical feminist ideas that, frankly, IMO, hurt the movement rather than help it.

I don't think he would have let people talk him out of it if he was just trolling.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I was going to say that I tend not to take what some posters say at face value and then I remembered that yes, some people do hold very strange ideas out of confusion or plain ignorance. So you're right. It is perfectly possible that FST was just so confused he bought into some radical feminist ideas that, frankly, IMO, hurt the movement rather than help it.

I don't think he would have let people talk him out of it if he was just trolling.

Probably not. I stopped paying attention to the angst-full mass of what the fuck his posts became in the end. But yes, it's possible that he wasn't trolling and genuinely believed the manure about all sex being rape he was reading from those sites.

[Mavorpen]

Yes, just like the female body during their period.

A gamete can't gain those properties, an embryo/zygote/fetus/blastocyst can.

It's a good thing that I'm talking about all of those things (except for fetus), then. You don't know much about reproduction, do you?

[Republic of Coldwater]

Why is the termination of a human being's life ever a human right. Some may argue, using little technicalities that the child is not "alive". However, that is not the issue at hand, the issue is that an organism which would eventually develop into a human was intentionally stopped from such development by being aborted. That is just as bad as murder, as in murder, you are willingly ending an innocent life.

[Mavorpen]

Why is the termination of a human being's life ever a human right. Some may argue, using little technicalities that the child is not "alive". However, that is not the issue at hand, the issue is that an organism which would eventually develop into a human was intentionally stopped from such development by being aborted. That is just as bad as murder, as in murder, you are willingly ending an innocent life.

Murder is bad because you're killing an innocent person.

If abortion is as bad as murder, then I hope you don't get infected by a parasitic worm, or else killing it would be the same as murder.

[Neutraligon]

Why is the termination of a human being's life ever a human right. Some may argue, using little technicalities that the child is not "alive". However, that is not the issue at hand, the issue is that an organism which would eventually develop into a human was intentionally stopped from such development by being aborted. That is just as bad as murder, as in murder, you are willingly ending an innocent life.

It might eventually develop into a child, miscarriage is actually relatively common. More then that the future of said bundle of cells is irrelevant, as the woman's bodily sovereignty takes precedence. Also read the OP about the definition of murder. It is not as bad as murder, anymore then removing a tumor or parasite, engaging in plastic surgery, refusing to donate one's organs, etc.

[The Union of Tentacles and Grapes]

Why is the termination of a human being's life ever a human right. Some may argue, using little technicalities that the child is not "alive". However, that is not the issue at hand, the issue is that an organism which would eventually develop into a human was intentionally stopped from such development by being aborted. That is just as bad as murder, as in murder, you are willingly ending an innocent life.

1. Individuals cannot be compelled to provide any part of their body for use by any others for any reason under any circumstances
2. Making abortion illegal places a compulsion upon women that renders their reproductive system public property and refuses all their rights as to its use
3. Such a compulsion is against the most basic of human rights, and is therefore immoral to the deepest and most extreme extent

If you reject this argument, you would also have to accept that everyone is required to be an organ donor, donate blood at least monthly, and that all citizens are required to provide for the fuffillment of all other's needs, regardless of any circumstances. If anyone in your nation dies of cold, thirst, hunger, or exposure, you should think yourself a murderer for failing to provide for their needs. You are not being logical.

[Text People]

Artificially keeping families small inevitably involves prenatal infanticide and abortion- with all its pandering to self-indulgence, its shrinking of duties, and its enervation of character. Abortion is plain wrong.

Casual, thoughtless, uncaring abortion practices are dead wrong. Having an abortion because pregnancy is "oh such an inconveniece" and "I can't be bothered with a child because of my career" is an attitude that's going around these days.

[Neutraligon]

Artificially keeping families small inevitably involves prenatal infanticide and abortion- with all its pandering to self-indulgence, its shrinking of duties, and its enervation of character. Abortion is plain wrong.

Casual, thoughtless, uncaring abortion practices are dead wrong. Having an abortion because pregnancy is "oh such an inconveniece" and "I can't be bothered with a child because of my career" is an attitude that's going around these days.

So? A woman's reason for having an abortion is none of your business. You are aware how important a career is, right? I mean it's not like personal economics matter, right?

[Norstal]

NSG is going to be the reason I become a heroin addict in 4 years, give or take.

I'm sure some of the idiots are teenagers who will eventually outgrow the worst of their idiotic views.

4-sided triangle wasn't a teenager though...

[Text People]

Casual, thoughtless, uncaring abortion practices are dead wrong. Having an abortion because pregnancy is "oh such an inconveniece" and "I can't be bothered with a child because of my career" is an attitude that's going around these days.

So? A woman's reason for having an abortion is none of your business. You are aware how important a career is, right? I mean it's not like personal economics matter, right?

If they can't handle the possibility of becoming pregnant and they don't seem to understand birth control, or, better yet, getting 'fixed' permanently, they have no right to use abortion as a severe form of birth control.

They can keep their legs crossed until they are mature enough to handle unpredictability and unintended consequences.

[Mavorpen]

Artificially keeping families small inevitably involves prenatal infanticide and abortion- with all its pandering to self-indulgence, its shrinking of duties, and its enervation of character. Abortion is plain wrong.

Casual, thoughtless, uncaring abortion practices are dead wrong. Having an abortion because pregnancy is "oh such an inconveniece" and "I can't be bothered with a child because of my career" is an attitude that's going around these days.

No it's not. Just because you THINK women are all dirty evil sluts doesn't mean they actually are.

[Galloism]

Potential does not equate actually being a person. An acorn is a potential tree, but not an actual tree.

And why is potential suddenly more important than the actual person, in this case, the woman and what she desires? Why is the fetus more important than the person gestating it?

Tell you what bugs me about the "potential" argument.

All of you are mortal. From my perspective, as something close to immortal, you are all one foot in the grave and potentially dead. You don't see me walking around with a shovel burying mortals still alive because of being potentially dead do you?

What matters is the here and now. I've been joking on it, but my sperm is potentially a person - it just has to find an egg at the right time. Hell, if you get right down to it, some part of that chicken I had earlier is potentially a person, because it will likely be used as a building block to produce sperm. That makes the chicken potentially a person when we kill it. Which makes chicken feed potentially people.

Potential means jack shit. Every atom on the surface of the earth has potential to become part of a person.

Personhood is the merest reference for a human being. The fetus is not more important than the woman. The renewal of life is more important than whims of the moment. Living forever isn't how we're intended to survive. Children arrange for us to survive in another way. You see, life is a torch that is passed on through every person. A torch that you're not supposed to carry forever. It's pleasing to God to carry on the process of life through different individuals than the same because life is renewed through every child. That is why forever is more important than the here and now.

I could repeat this, verbatim, in a "should we force women to remain perpetually pregnant" thread.

There's nothing differentiating this argument and one that every unfertilized egg is a potential human life wasted. They're both equally bankrupt from a legal and societal standpoint.

[Mavorpen]

So? A woman's reason for having an abortion is none of your business. You are aware how important a career is, right? I mean it's not like personal economics matter, right?

If they can't handle the possibility of becoming pregnant and they don't seem to understand birth control, or, better yet, getting 'fixed' permanently, they have no right to use abortion as a severe form of birth control.

They can keep their legs crossed until they are mature enough to handle unpredictability and unintended consequences.

Abortion is not nor can it be birth control. Birth control is used to prevent pregnancies. Abortion terminates them.

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

Why is the termination of a human being's life ever a human right. Some may argue, using little technicalities that the child is not "alive". However, that is not the issue at hand, the issue is that an organism which would eventually develop into a human was intentionally stopped from such development by being aborted. That is just as bad as murder, as in murder, you are willingly ending an innocent life.

Wrong.
A Cell that will eventually make it a human does not protect it, nor is that the definition of what abortion is meant for at times, or the process of a cell. This has been discussed before where future developers do not prevent it from being aborted.
The process discussed here why it isn't a person until Week 12:

I see, so force a woman to carry the results of someone who forced themselves on her, forcing her to know everyday she was raped and must now deal with the medical issues all pregnancies bring...brilliant. You just made pregnancy worse then a punishment.

No:

Sperm-/->Baby

Sperms are the cells that are the double in creating a baby, so actually, it is required to have sperm or a reproductive cell.

Sperm+Ovum-->Zygote-->Fetus (What you're killing)-->Baby

Wrong:

Sperm + Ovum = Zygote{The beginning cell, Not a human, it is still in cell form, lasts up to week 8} = Embryo{Starts at week 8, Ends at Week 12} = Fetus{The baby}

Zygote is the cell, Embryo is the formed body of many cells reproducing, and neither can be considered human due to the fact that a embryo is till developing into the stage of growth, and Zygotes are simple cells.

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

Artificially keeping families small inevitably involves prenatal infanticide and abortion- with all its pandering to self-indulgence, its shrinking of duties, and its enervation of character. Abortion is plain wrong.

Casual, thoughtless, uncaring abortion practices are dead wrong. Having an abortion because pregnancy is "oh such an inconveniece" and "I can't be bothered with a child because of my career" is an attitude that's going around these days.

Are you ignoring every point that was ever made. If it is a abortion, it is most likely for a good reason of death threatening the mother or rape. We've been over this. WE'VE BEEN THROUGH IT.