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Is abortion a right?

abortion is not a right any time.
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in case of rape and/or if the woman's life is threatened.
283
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yes, up until a certain point in the fetus's development.
356
30%
yes, any time while the fetus is still in her body.
257
22%
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2%
I don't care, leave me alone. lol
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Postby New Charleson » Mon Oct 06, 2014 10:40 pm

Rape and incest only.
Other than that, no.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Mon Oct 06, 2014 10:41 pm

T Roosevelt wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
No, that isn't it's sole purpose.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_intercourse

Try again.

Sex is pleasurable, so to speak, to be repeated. Repetition of the act increases birth, in all likelihood. Accordingly, the purpose of coitus is the renewal of life.


Nope, it isn't unless the parts involved have decided that they're fucking to cause as pregnancy.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictiona ... ntercourse
sexual intercourse noun
: sexual activity between two people; especially : sexual activity in which a man puts his penis into the vagina of a woman

Full Definition of SEXUAL INTERCOURSE

1
: heterosexual intercourse involving penetration of the vagina by the penis : coitus
2
: intercourse (as anal or oral intercourse) that does not involve penetration of the vagina by the penis


http://www.thefreedictionary.com/sexual+relationship
Noun 1. sexual relationship - a relationship involving sexual intimacy


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sexual+relations
noun
1.
sexual intercourse; coitus.
2.
any sexual activity between individuals.


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sex
1sex noun \ˈseks\
: the state of being male or female

: men or male animals as a group or women or female animals as a group

: physical activity in which people touch each other's bodies, kiss each other, etc. : physical activity that is related to and often includes sexual intercourse

Full Definition of SEX

1
: either of the two major forms of individuals that occur in many species and that are distinguished respectively as female or male especially on the basis of their reproductive organs and structures
2
: the sum of the structural, functional, and behavioral characteristics of organisms that are involved in reproduction marked by the union of gametes and that distinguish males and females
3
a : sexually motivated phenomena or behavior
b : sexual intercourse
4
: genitalia


As you can see, none of those definitions say sex/coitus is solely for reproduction. Try again.
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Postby T Roosevelt » Mon Oct 06, 2014 10:42 pm

Othelos wrote:
T Roosevelt wrote:Sex is pleasurable, so to speak, to be repeated. Repetition of the act increases birth, in all likelihood. Accordingly, the purpose of coitus is the renewal of life.

No, people can be sterile, infertile, or use contraception.

Libido itself is not conscious of this.
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Postby T Roosevelt » Mon Oct 06, 2014 10:46 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
T Roosevelt wrote:Sex is pleasurable, so to speak, to be repeated. Repetition of the act increases birth, in all likelihood. Accordingly, the purpose of coitus is the renewal of life.


Nope, it isn't unless the parts involved have decided that they're fucking to cause as pregnancy.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictiona ... ntercourse
sexual intercourse noun
: sexual activity between two people; especially : sexual activity in which a man puts his penis into the vagina of a woman

Full Definition of SEXUAL INTERCOURSE

1
: heterosexual intercourse involving penetration of the vagina by the penis : coitus
2
: intercourse (as anal or oral intercourse) that does not involve penetration of the vagina by the penis


http://www.thefreedictionary.com/sexual+relationship
Noun 1. sexual relationship - a relationship involving sexual intimacy


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sexual+relations
noun
1.
sexual intercourse; coitus.
2.
any sexual activity between individuals.


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sex
1sex noun \ˈseks\
: the state of being male or female

: men or male animals as a group or women or female animals as a group

: physical activity in which people touch each other's bodies, kiss each other, etc. : physical activity that is related to and often includes sexual intercourse

Full Definition of SEX

1
: either of the two major forms of individuals that occur in many species and that are distinguished respectively as female or male especially on the basis of their reproductive organs and structures
2
: the sum of the structural, functional, and behavioral characteristics of organisms that are involved in reproduction marked by the union of gametes and that distinguish males and females
3
a : sexually motivated phenomena or behavior
b : sexual intercourse
4
: genitalia


As you can see, none of those definitions say sex/coitus is solely for reproduction. Try again.

Etymology please?

either of the two major forms of individuals that occur in many species and that are distinguished respectively as female or male especially on the basis of their reproductive organs and structures
2
: the sum of the structural, functional, and behavioral characteristics of organisms that are involved in reproduction marked by the union of gametes and that distinguish males and females

The etymology of the word interested me, it's curious how definitions change.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=sex

late 14c., "males or females collectively," from Latin sexus "a sex, state of being either male or female, gender," of uncertain origin. "Commonly taken with seco as division or 'half' of the race" [Tucker], which would connect it to secare "to divide or cut" (see section (n.)). Meaning "quality of being male or female" first recorded 1520s. Meaning "sexual intercourse" first attested 1929 (in writings of D.H. Lawrence); meaning "genitalia" is attested from 1938. Sex appeal attested by 1904.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Mon Oct 06, 2014 10:50 pm

T Roosevelt wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Nope, it isn't unless the parts involved have decided that they're fucking to cause as pregnancy.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictiona ... ntercourse


http://www.thefreedictionary.com/sexual+relationship


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sexual+relations


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sex


As you can see, none of those definitions say sex/coitus is solely for reproduction. Try again.

Etymology please?

either of the two major forms of individuals that occur in many species and that are distinguished respectively as female or male especially on the basis of their reproductive organs and structures
2
: the sum of the structural, functional, and behavioral characteristics of organisms that are involved in reproduction marked by the union of gametes and that distinguish males and females

The etymology of the word interested me, it's curious how definitions change.


Curious how you seem to miss the point. I suspect deliberately. But whatever, we know sex is not solely for reproduction. People fuck because it's pleasurable and fucking, consenting to it, is not the same as consenting to pregnancy and parenthood.

I am very glad I live in a society where my bodily sovereignty is respected. I am the owner of what goes or doesn't go on in my body and that's the way it should be.

If anyone else wishes to indulge you on your antiquated views and circular arguments, they're more than welcome to. I, however, have better things to do.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Mon Oct 06, 2014 10:53 pm

Othelos wrote:
T Roosevelt wrote:Sex is pleasurable, so to speak, to be repeated. Repetition of the act increases birth, in all likelihood. Accordingly, the purpose of coitus is the renewal of life.

No, people can be sterile, infertile, or use contraception.


Interestingly enough, for pregnancy, intercourse doesn't even have to happen when you consider procedures like IVF.
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Postby Othelos » Mon Oct 06, 2014 11:00 pm

T Roosevelt wrote:
Othelos wrote:No, people can be sterile, infertile, or use contraception.

Libido itself is not conscious of this.

Irrelevant.
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Postby T Roosevelt » Mon Oct 06, 2014 11:00 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
T Roosevelt wrote:Etymology please?

either of the two major forms of individuals that occur in many species and that are distinguished respectively as female or male especially on the basis of their reproductive organs and structures
2
: the sum of the structural, functional, and behavioral characteristics of organisms that are involved in reproduction marked by the union of gametes and that distinguish males and females

The etymology of the word interested me, it's curious how definitions change.


Curious how you seem to miss the point. I suspect deliberately. But whatever, we know sex is not solely for reproduction. People fuck because it's pleasurable and fucking, consenting to it, is not the same as consenting to pregnancy and parenthood.

I am very glad I live in a society where my bodily sovereignty is respected. I am the owner of what goes or doesn't go on in my body and that's the way it should be.

If anyone else wishes to indulge you on your antiquated views and circular arguments, they're more than welcome to. I, however, have better things to do.
Me too. Although, the definition of sex changed which is why you're confused about it's purpose. That's why I presented the etymology to you.
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Postby Sun Wukong » Mon Oct 06, 2014 11:02 pm

T Roosevelt wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
No, that isn't it's sole purpose.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_intercourse

Try again.

Sex is pleasurable, so to speak, to be repeated. Repetition of the act increases birth, in all likelihood. Accordingly, the purpose of coitus is the renewal of life.

If that were the singular purpose of sex in humans, then humans would not be concealed ovulators.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Mon Oct 06, 2014 11:04 pm

Sun Wukong wrote:
T Roosevelt wrote:Sex is pleasurable, so to speak, to be repeated. Repetition of the act increases birth, in all likelihood. Accordingly, the purpose of coitus is the renewal of life.

If that were the singular purpose of sex in humans, then humans would not be concealed ovulators.


Precisely.
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Postby T Roosevelt » Mon Oct 06, 2014 11:06 pm

Sun Wukong wrote:
T Roosevelt wrote:Sex is pleasurable, so to speak, to be repeated. Repetition of the act increases birth, in all likelihood. Accordingly, the purpose of coitus is the renewal of life.

If that were the singular purpose of sex in humans, then humans would not be concealed ovulators.
Humans are not fully-concealed ovulators. During ovulation, the cheeks of a woman get red, and concupiscence is likely to rise. There are visual symptoms evident to the eyes.
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Postby Sun Wukong » Mon Oct 06, 2014 11:12 pm

T Roosevelt wrote:
Sun Wukong wrote:If that were the singular purpose of sex in humans, then humans would not be concealed ovulators.
Humans are not fully-concealed ovulators. During ovulation, the cheeks of a woman get red, and concupiscence is likely to rise.

Vestigial. And also irrelevant. All closely-related creatures that use sex principally for reproduction make a big show of ovulation. Humans do not. Humans also engage in longer, and more intimate sexual congress than any other primate.

Humans are doing something very different than all but one other primate. Failing to recognize the significance of this is missing out on a large part of what it means to be human.
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Postby T Roosevelt » Mon Oct 06, 2014 11:40 pm

Sun Wukong wrote:
T Roosevelt wrote:Humans are not fully-concealed ovulators. During ovulation, the cheeks of a woman get red, and concupiscence is likely to rise.

Vestigial. And also irrelevant. All closely-related creatures that use sex principally for reproduction make a big show of ovulation. Humans do not. Humans also engage in longer, and more intimate sexual congress than any other primate.

Humans are doing something very different than all but one other primate. Failing to recognize the significance of this is missing out on a large part of what it means to be human.
What is it you mean by symptoms of ovulation being vestigial? The significance of humanity as I see is our bulldozer determination, an actualized man can not be stopped.
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Postby Othelos » Mon Oct 06, 2014 11:42 pm

New Charleson wrote:Rape and incest only.
Other than that, no.

So deny women basic rights?
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Postby Stagnant Axon Terminal » Mon Oct 06, 2014 11:45 pm

T Roosevelt wrote:
Sun Wukong wrote:If that were the singular purpose of sex in humans, then humans would not be concealed ovulators.
Humans are not fully-concealed ovulators. During ovulation, the cheeks of a woman get red, and concupiscence is likely to rise. There are visual symptoms evident to the eyes.

And yet every bit of this is entirely irrelevant.
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Postby Stagnant Axon Terminal » Mon Oct 06, 2014 11:47 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Othelos wrote:No, people can be sterile, infertile, or use contraception.


Interestingly enough, for pregnancy, intercourse doesn't even have to happen when you consider procedures like IVF.

And, as people who believe "PIV sex is 100% rape" bull are quick to point out, women can become pregnant without IVF or artificial insemination. You just have to get close.
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Postby Sun Wukong » Mon Oct 06, 2014 11:49 pm

T Roosevelt wrote:
Sun Wukong wrote:Vestigial. And also irrelevant. All closely-related creatures that use sex principally for reproduction make a big show of ovulation. Humans do not. Humans also engage in longer, and more intimate sexual congress than any other primate.

Humans are doing something very different than all but one other primate. Failing to recognize the significance of this is missing out on a large part of what it means to be human.
What is it you mean by symptoms of ovulation being vestigial? The significance of humanity as I see is our bulldozer determination, an actualized man can not be stopped.

Evolution has been working to conceal human ovulation, but is working against millions of years of evolution that worked to make ovulation extremely obvious. It's managed to clear up all of the most overt signals, but the smaller ones that tend not to make a big difference -because they do not make a big difference- linger on.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Mon Oct 06, 2014 11:50 pm

Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Interestingly enough, for pregnancy, intercourse doesn't even have to happen when you consider procedures like IVF.

And, as people who believe "PIV sex is 100% rape" bull are quick to point out, women can become pregnant without IVF or artificial insemination. You just have to get close.


PIV? I'm not sure I'm familiar with this term, Torc. Could you explain, please?
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Postby Stagnant Axon Terminal » Mon Oct 06, 2014 11:51 pm

Sun Wukong wrote:
T Roosevelt wrote:What is it you mean by symptoms of ovulation being vestigial? The significance of humanity as I see is our bulldozer determination, an actualized man can not be stopped.

Evolution has been working to conceal human ovulation, but is working against millions of years of evolution that worked to make ovulation extremely obvious. It's managed to clear up all of the most overt signals, but the smaller ones that tend not to make a big difference -because they do not make a big difference- linger on.

And actualized man can be stopped. He is not frictionless.

Also what the fuck does self-actualization have to do with abortion
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Postby Stagnant Axon Terminal » Mon Oct 06, 2014 11:53 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:And, as people who believe "PIV sex is 100% rape" bull are quick to point out, women can become pregnant without IVF or artificial insemination. You just have to get close.


PIV? I'm not sure I'm familiar with this term, Torc. Could you explain, please?

There is this heinous group of radical radical radical radfems who believe that all sex that includes the insertion of penis into vagina (PIV) (also probably anal but they never mention it?) is automatically and without exception 100% rape. They believe that women cannot "want" PIV sex, enjoy PIV sex, or consent to PIV sex.
They're fucking insane.
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Postby Sun Wukong » Mon Oct 06, 2014 11:54 pm

Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:
Sun Wukong wrote:Evolution has been working to conceal human ovulation, but is working against millions of years of evolution that worked to make ovulation extremely obvious. It's managed to clear up all of the most overt signals, but the smaller ones that tend not to make a big difference -because they do not make a big difference- linger on.

And actualized man can be stopped. He is not frictionless.

Also what the fuck does self-actualization have to do with abortion

No idea. Other than Teddy is trying to be IC, or something.

I'm rolling with it. Are fetuses self-actualized? At what developmental stage does self-actualization occur?
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Postby Stagnant Axon Terminal » Mon Oct 06, 2014 11:55 pm

Sun Wukong wrote:
Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:Also what the fuck does self-actualization have to do with abortion

No idea. Other than Teddy is trying to be IC, or something.

I'm rolling with it. Are fetuses self-actualized? At what developmental stage does self-actualization occur?

Well clearly not all fetuses are self-actualized. I never got that far, and I'm 21. I kind of like being a piece of shit, it gives me some hope.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Mon Oct 06, 2014 11:56 pm

Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
PIV? I'm not sure I'm familiar with this term, Torc. Could you explain, please?

There is this heinous group of radical radical radical radfems who believe that all sex that includes the insertion of penis into vagina (PIV) (also probably anal but they never mention it?) is automatically and without exception 100% rape. They believe that women cannot "want" PIV sex, enjoy PIV sex, or consent to PIV sex.
They're fucking insane.


Holy Midas's gold scrotum. That's indeed insane. :blink:
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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Mon Oct 06, 2014 11:58 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:There is this heinous group of radical radical radical radfems who believe that all sex that includes the insertion of penis into vagina (PIV) (also probably anal but they never mention it?) is automatically and without exception 100% rape. They believe that women cannot "want" PIV sex, enjoy PIV sex, or consent to PIV sex.
They're fucking insane.


Holy Midas's gold scrotum. That's indeed insane. :blink:


Remember 4-sided Triangles? He went through a period of arguing that all sex was rape. Fortunately someone managed to talk him out of it.
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Postby Stagnant Axon Terminal » Mon Oct 06, 2014 11:59 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:There is this heinous group of radical radical radical radfems who believe that all sex that includes the insertion of penis into vagina (PIV) (also probably anal but they never mention it?) is automatically and without exception 100% rape. They believe that women cannot "want" PIV sex, enjoy PIV sex, or consent to PIV sex.
They're fucking insane.


Holy Midas's gold scrotum. That's indeed insane. :blink:

It's just, damn.
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