Abortion: human right?

[Galloism]

Because she dared open her legs, while the fetus didn't.

*nod nod*

Holy shit. Get the rope!! I must not open my cootch!! I must not!! How dare I!!!!

Kinky.

[Othelos]

Yes, just like the female body during their period.

A gamete can't gain those properties, an embryo/zygote/fetus/blastocyst can.

That isn't the issue at all.

The issue is whether or not you can COMPEL women to carry a fetus to term against their will. You are saying that women DO NOT HAVE any rights to bodily autonomy and integrity. I don't care if a woman is literally pregnant with the whole next generation, she has the right to end it. With current medical technology, it results in the death of a fetus. Rude response to that: tough shit. Right to life does not mean right to slave others to keep alive.

The issue is that "potential" human beings are dying because people believe that the right to right can take the backseat to the right of comfort. You had sex, live with the consequences, current medical science doesn't yet allow for regular fetal development outside the womb, rude response to that: Tough shit, you surrender bodily sovereignty when you acknowledge sex can get you pregnant.

Since you are no longer reading posts, I am not going to reply to your repeated arguments that have been refuted at least five times now.

[Galloism]

A gamete can't gain those properties, an embryo/zygote/fetus/blastocyst can.
The issue is that "potential" human beings are dying because people believe that the right to right can take the backseat to the right of comfort. You had sex, live with the consequences, current medical science doesn't yet allow for regular fetal development outside the womb, rude response to that: Tough shit, you surrender bodily sovereignty when you acknowledge sex can get you pregnant.

Since you are no longer reading posts, I am not going to reply to your repeated arguments that have been refuted at least five times now.

Life long side effects are uncomfortable, y'know.

[T Roosevelt]

The violation of arbitrary rights is a just act of noncooperation. Potential is relevant in all pregnancies, successful or not. Death does not shamble the aptitude of those aware of it's occurrence to discern life.

Bodily sovereignty is an arbitrary right? I am pretty sure that all humans experience revulsion or negative feelings at the least when that right is violated.

Bodily sovereignty ends at murder.

[Galloism]

Tell you what bugs me about the "potential" argument.

All of you are mortal. From my perspective, as something close to immortal, you are all one foot in the grave and potentially dead. You don't see me walking around with a shovel burying mortals still alive because of being potentially dead do you?

What matters is the here and now. I've been joking on it, but my sperm is potentially a person - it just has to find an egg at the right time. Hell, if you get right down to it, some part of that chicken I had earlier is potentially a person, because it will likely be used as a building block to produce sperm. That makes the chicken potentially a person when we kill it. Which makes chicken feed potentially people.

Potential means jack shit. Every atom on the surface of the earth has potential to become part of a person.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Tell you what bugs me about the "potential" argument.

All of you are mortal. From my perspective, as something close to immortal, you are all one foot in the grave and potentially dead. You don't see me walking around with a shovel burying mortals still alive because of being potentially dead do you?

What matters is the here and now. I've been joking on it, but my sperm is potentially a person - it just has to find an egg at the right time. Hell, if you get right down to it, some part of that chicken I had earlier is potentially a person, because it will likely be used as a building block to produce sperm. That makes the chicken potentially a person when we kill it. Which makes chicken feed potentially people.

Potential means jack shit. Every atom on the surface of the earth has potential to become part of a person.

Or the shrimp you had the other day. Or the green peppers in your stir fry. Everything we eat is a building block towards a potential. But we're not running around saying vegetables are potential humans just on that fact and that eating veggies is tantamount to murder.

Yes, the potential arguments means shit. To anyone who possesses reason enough and, ultimately, to the fetus. It won't know. So, for this issue, yes, the potential argument is nothing more than appeal to emotion and, therefore, completely irrelevant.

[T Roosevelt]

It's a person because of the potential it has to be great in life, the righteousness of being conceived. Killing the innocent is questionable of character.

Potential does not equate actually being a person. An acorn is a potential tree, but not an actual tree.

And why is potential suddenly more important than the actual person, in this case, the woman and what she desires? Why is the fetus more important than the person gestating it?

Tell you what bugs me about the "potential" argument.

All of you are mortal. From my perspective, as something close to immortal, you are all one foot in the grave and potentially dead. You don't see me walking around with a shovel burying mortals still alive because of being potentially dead do you?

What matters is the here and now. I've been joking on it, but my sperm is potentially a person - it just has to find an egg at the right time. Hell, if you get right down to it, some part of that chicken I had earlier is potentially a person, because it will likely be used as a building block to produce sperm. That makes the chicken potentially a person when we kill it. Which makes chicken feed potentially people.

Potential means jack shit. Every atom on the surface of the earth has potential to become part of a person.

Personhood is the merest reference for a human being. The fetus is not more important than the woman. The renewal of life is more important than whims of the moment. Living forever isn't how we're intended to survive. Children arrange for us to survive in another way. You see, life is a torch that is passed on through every person. A torch that you're not supposed to carry forever. It's pleasing to God to carry on the process of life through different individuals than the same because life is renewed through every child. That is why forever is more important than the here and now.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Potential does not equate actually being a person. An acorn is a potential tree, but not an actual tree.

And why is potential suddenly more important than the actual person, in this case, the woman and what she desires? Why is the fetus more important than the person gestating it?

Personhood is the merest reference for a human being. The fetus is not more important than the woman. The renewal of life is more important than whims of the moment. Living forever isn't how we're intended to survive. Children arrange for us to survive in another way. You see, life is a torch that is passed on through every person. A torch that you're not supposed to carry forever. It's pleasing to God to carry on the process of life through different individuals than the same because life is renewed through every child.

Parenthood, passing that torch, should be placed in the hands of those who consent to it, not forced upon those who didn't. Plain and simple.

If I don't consent to pregnancy and it still happens, I will take responsibility of my actions. Abortion is such an alternative to make responsible decisions.

[Othelos]

Bodily sovereignty is an arbitrary right? I am pretty sure that all humans experience revulsion or negative feelings at the least when that right is violated.

Bodily sovereignty ends at murder.

No, it doesn't. If, hypothetically, someone wanted to hook him or herself up to you for nine months, and that was the only way that they could survive, you would be able to refuse.

[T Roosevelt]

Personhood is the merest reference for a human being. The fetus is not more important than the woman. The renewal of life is more important than whims of the moment. Living forever isn't how we're intended to survive. Children arrange for us to survive in another way. You see, life is a torch that is passed on through every person. A torch that you're not supposed to carry forever. It's pleasing to God to carry on the process of life through different individuals than the same because life is renewed through every child.

Parenthood, passing that torch, should be placed in the hands of those who consent to it, not forced upon those who didn't. Plain and simple.

If I don't consent to pregnancy and it still happens, I will take responsibility of my actions. Abortion is such an alternative to make responsible decisions.

In circumstance of rape? If raped, a woman is the person who can't consent to pregnancy because the onus is on the ruffian guilty of her seduction, the defense of being irresponsible is impermissible when her character was not previously chaste. A woman who was not the victim of rape is responsible for her pregnancy because her behavior was the cause of that pregnancy. Disrupting the process where she is engaged to be married in opposition to whimsically being adulterated by ruffians at the expense of her life satisfaction.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Parenthood, passing that torch, should be placed in the hands of those who consent to it, not forced upon those who didn't. Plain and simple.

If I don't consent to pregnancy and it still happens, I will take responsibility of my actions. Abortion is such an alternative to make responsible decisions.

In circumstance of rape? If raped woman is the person who can't consent to pregnancy because the onus is on the ruffian guilty of her seduction, the defense of being irresponsible is impermissible when her character was not previously chaste. A woman who was not the victim of rape has no excuse because she was not previously maidenly, or engaged to be married in opposition to whimsically being adulterated by ruffians.

Did I just stumble upon the pages of some 19th century idealistic jumble of crap bound into the guise of a book?

8/10. You're doing the satire well.

[T Roosevelt]

In circumstance of rape? If raped, a woman is the person who can't consent to pregnancy because the onus is on the ruffian guilty of her seduction, the defense of being irresponsible is impermissible when her character was not previously chaste. A woman who was not the victim of rape is responsible for her pregnancy because her behavior was the cause of that pregnancy. Disrupting the process where she is engaged to be married in opposition to whimsically being adulterated by ruffians at the expense of her life satisfaction.

Did I just stumble upon the pages of some 19th century idealistic jumble of crap bound into the guise of a book?

8/10. You're doing the satire well.

I reevaluated some segments of my argument, this is not satirical.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Did I just stumble upon the pages of some 19th century idealistic jumble of crap bound into the guise of a book?

8/10. You're doing the satire well.

I reevaluated some segments of my argument, this is not satirical.

Yes, I believe you. This is definitely my ''I believe you'' face. And I'm Mother Theresa of Calcutta.

[T Roosevelt]

I reevaluated some segments of my argument, this is not satirical.

Yes, I believe you. This is definitely my ''I believe you'' face. And I'm Mother Theresa of Calcutta.

Attacking me does not discredit my opinion.
I'd be delighted if you conducted yourself more maturely, please.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Yes, I believe you. This is definitely my ''I believe you'' face. And I'm Mother Theresa of Calcutta.

Attacking me does not discredit my opinion. I'd be delighted if you conducted yourself more maturely.

Oh the laughter.

[T Roosevelt]

In circumstance of rape? If raped, a woman is the person who can't consent to pregnancy because the onus is on the ruffian guilty of her seduction, the defense of being irresponsible is impermissible when her character was not previously chaste. A woman who was not the victim of rape is responsible for her pregnancy because her behavior was the cause of that pregnancy. Disrupting the process where she is engaged to be married in opposition to whimsically being adulterated by ruffians at the expense of her life satisfaction.

I paraphrased for you.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Bodily sovereignty ends at murder.

No, it doesn't. If, hypothetically, someone wanted to hook him or herself up to you for nine months, and that was the only way that they could survive, you would be able to refuse.

Which is frankly a good thing. We don't force people to donate organs if they do not wish to. We shouldn't, therefore, force women into carrying pregnancies to term is that is not what they want. Hence yes, abortion is a human right. It should be.

[T Roosevelt]

No, it doesn't. If, hypothetically, someone wanted to hook him or herself up to you for nine months, and that was the only way that they could survive, you would be able to refuse.

Which is frankly a good thing. We don't force people to donate organs if they do not wish to. We shouldn't, therefore, force women into carrying pregnancies to term is that is not what they want. Hence yes, abortion is a human right. It should be.

I'm not suggesting that raped women carry pregnancies when they had no will in the matter.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Which is frankly a good thing. We don't force people to donate organs if they do not wish to. We shouldn't, therefore, force women into carrying pregnancies to term is that is not what they want. Hence yes, abortion is a human right. It should be.

I'm not suggesting that raped women carry pregnancies when they had no will in the matter.

Whether they were raped or consented to fuck is irrelevant. If a woman doesn't wish to become a parent, if she doesn't want to carry a pregnancy to term, she shouldn't be forced to.

Consent to sex =/= consent to pregnancy.

[T Roosevelt]

I'm not suggesting that raped women carry pregnancies when they had no will in the matter.

Whether they were raped or consented to fuck is irrelevant. If a woman doesn't wish to become a parent, if she doesn't want to carry a pregnancy to term, she shouldn't be forced to.

Consent to sex =/= consent to pregnancy.

The reason coition exists is pregnancy.

Is swallowing exclusive from consumption?

[Nazi Flower Power]

I'm OK with human rights starting at birth.

[Othelos]

Whether they were raped or consented to fuck is irrelevant. If a woman doesn't wish to become a parent, if she doesn't want to carry a pregnancy to term, she shouldn't be forced to.

Consent to sex =/= consent to pregnancy.

The reason coition exists is pregnancy.

Is swallowing exclusive from consumption?

Swallowing means that something is inherently being consumed, having sex does not mean someone will inherently get pregnant, so false equivalency.

And no, most of the time that people have sex is exclusively for pleasure.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Whether they were raped or consented to fuck is irrelevant. If a woman doesn't wish to become a parent, if she doesn't want to carry a pregnancy to term, she shouldn't be forced to.

Consent to sex =/= consent to pregnancy.

The reason coition exists is pregnancy.

No, that isn't it's sole purpose.

Sexual intercourse, or coitus or copulation, is chiefly the insertion and thrusting of a male's penis, usually when erect, into a female's vagina for the purposes of sexual pleasure...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_intercourse

Try again.

[T Roosevelt]

The reason coition exists is pregnancy.

No, that isn't it's sole purpose.

Sexual intercourse, or coitus or copulation, is chiefly the insertion and thrusting of a male's penis, usually when erect, into a female's vagina for the purposes of sexual pleasure...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_intercourse

Try again.

Sex is pleasurable, so to speak, to be repeated. Repetition of the act increases birth, in all likelihood. Accordingly, the purpose of coitus is the renewal of life.

[Othelos]

No, that isn't it's sole purpose.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_intercourse

Try again.

Sex is pleasurable, so to speak, to be repeated. Repetition of the act increases birth, in all likelihood. Accordingly, the purpose of coitus is the renewal of life.

No, people can be sterile, infertile, or use contraception.