Abortion: human right?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I never said you aren't allowed to correct medical problems, so please don't draw conclusions that I said that. There's a difference between curing malaria, fixing up broken bones in a car accident, or treating lung cancer, and having an abortion. Body maintenance=/=removal of a part you don't like.

So liposuction should be illegal? Mole removal? Tumor removal? Tummy tucks? Laser hair removal? Wisdom teeth removal? Bone spur removal? Cyst removal?

How about tonsillectomies? Appendectomies? Ureteroscopies?

EDIT: Forgot to mention hysterectomies. That seems apropos.

EDIT2: and sex reassignment surgery, especially male to female.

Heck, there's an entire industry based around the removal or addition of body parts we don't like. It's called plastic surgery

[Godular]

For special cases it's alright but if not a heartbeat=just plain killing someone. It's not the babies fault for being born.

But what about the Fetus? It ain't born yet.

[The Union of Tentacles and Grapes]

For special cases it's alright but if not a heartbeat=just plain killing someone. It's not the babies fault for being born.

Cows have a heartbeat.

Are slaughterhouses actually muderhouses?

[Othelos]

Well, for starters, a brain dead person is dead legally, and a fetus doesn't have personhood, so the plug pulling is completely legal. Is their individual will gone after death if they did not communicate anything on the subject?

When someone is pregnant, the default position is consent. A woman has to go out of her way to not consent.

So, technically, since the brain-dead woman is not not consenting, she is consenting to a pregnancy, and therefore there is no reason to end it. She would have had to have gotten pregnant before becoming brain dead.

[Pragia]

I never said you aren't allowed to correct medical problems, so please don't draw conclusions that I said that. There's a difference between curing malaria, fixing up broken bones in a car accident, or treating lung cancer, and having an abortion. Body maintenance=/=removal of a part you don't like.

So liposuction should be illegal? Mole removal? Tumor removal? Tummy tucks? Laser hair removal? Wisdom teeth removal? Bone spur removal? Cyst removal?

How about tonsillectomies? Appendectomies? Ureteroscopies?

EDIT: Forgot to mention hysterectomies. That seems apropos.

EDIT2: and sex reassignment surgery, especially male to female.

Okay, fine then. Body maintenance=/=killing future individuals.

[Mavorpen]

Well, for starters, a brain dead person is dead legally, and a fetus doesn't have personhood, so the plug pulling is completely legal.

And that's because...say it with me...consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy.

Is their individual will gone after death if they did not communicate anything on the subject?

A brain dead person cannot have a will. That's the point. You're arguing that she DID communicate something on the subject and gave consent to the pregnancy. We've just established that to be nonsense given that the husband can pull the plug.

[Galloism]

So liposuction should be illegal? Mole removal? Tumor removal? Tummy tucks? Laser hair removal? Wisdom teeth removal? Bone spur removal? Cyst removal?

How about tonsillectomies? Appendectomies? Ureteroscopies?

EDIT: Forgot to mention hysterectomies. That seems apropos.

EDIT2: and sex reassignment surgery, especially male to female.

Heck, there's an entire industry based around the removal or addition of body parts we don't like. It's called plastic surgery

The problem is, you're basing this notion on OUR universe. I've come to the conclusion that NSG has some sort of inter-dimensional rift with an Ethernet cable that is going to some OTHER universe.

That's the only way the arguments we hear on here make any sense.

[Godular]

Nerp. Plus, we'd overwhelm orphanages ludicrously quick.

Oh I don't know. In the US, we would only have had an extra 53 million babies over the last 40 years.

That's barely a 1/6 increase in population.

I thank goodness that I didn't buy the atomic sarcasmometer or an area around my house 10 miles wide would be a nuclear wasteland.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

So liposuction should be illegal? Mole removal? Tumor removal? Tummy tucks? Laser hair removal? Wisdom teeth removal? Bone spur removal? Cyst removal?

How about tonsillectomies? Appendectomies? Ureteroscopies?

EDIT: Forgot to mention hysterectomies. That seems apropos.

EDIT2: and sex reassignment surgery, especially male to female.

Okay, fine then. Body maintenance=/=killing future individuals.

Good thing abortion is not killing individuals as the fetus =/= a person.

[Galloism]

So liposuction should be illegal? Mole removal? Tumor removal? Tummy tucks? Laser hair removal? Wisdom teeth removal? Bone spur removal? Cyst removal?

How about tonsillectomies? Appendectomies? Ureteroscopies?

EDIT: Forgot to mention hysterectomies. That seems apropos.

EDIT2: and sex reassignment surgery, especially male to female.

Okay, fine then. Body maintenance=/=killing future individuals.

Full disclosure:

I've masturbated before. I killed possible future individuals by the millions. Any one of them could have joined with an egg and become a future individual.

But none had the chance.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Heck, there's an entire industry based around the removal or addition of body parts we don't like. It's called plastic surgery

The problem is, you're basing this notion on OUR universe. I've come to the conclusion that NSG has some sort of inter-dimensional rift with an Ethernet cable that is going to some OTHER universe.

That's the only way the arguments we hear on here make any sense.

Yes, an Ethernet cable coming out of a cosmic anus.

[Dyakovo]

You said that someone who gets an abortion is consenting to having that baby. If someone is getting an abortion, they are not consenting to having the baby.

Yes. Hence, why I said 'not always' - because that is the purpose for it sometimes.

I meant on a societal level, not an individual one.

Again, many women don't get abortions for any possible inconvenience. Either way, it's irrelevant.

1. They consented to having a baby when they have sex.

Quit lying.

[Archeuland and Baughistan]

Abortion does not meet the criteria to be murder.
For it to be murder, it would have to fulfill all the following criteria:
1: It has to be illegal.
2: A person has to be killed.
3: It had to be done with malice aforethought.

1. Hitler didn't say it was illegal to kill Jews. He had five to six million killed. Wasn't that murder? Let's follow the dictionary definition of murder instead of the legal definition. The state could legalize murder of certain people like 'the Purge', and it would still be murder. It would just be legalized murder. And that's what abortion is.
2. Well, obviously...
3. Not necessarily, I'm thinking that there are plenty of psychopaths out there who murder and don't care afterwards. In regard to abortion, there are those who are taught to think that 'fetuses' are nothing more than just lumps of flesh and not developing human beings.

Besides, the Bible says that God knows us even in our mother's wombs, and before that! Therefore, abortion is murder.

[Kelinfort]

Using that line of logic, a man consents to paying child support not when a woman is pregnant, but while they have sex.

[Othelos]

For special cases it's alright but if not a heartbeat=just plain killing someone. It's not the babies fault for being born.

good thing killing humans isn't always wrong.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Okay, fine then. Body maintenance=/=killing future individuals.

Full disclosure:

I've masturbated before. I killed possible future individuals by the millions. Any one of them could have joined with an egg and become a future individual.

But none had the chance.

Pol Pot, is that you?

[Othelos]

Okay, fine then. Body maintenance=/=killing future individuals.

Full disclosure:

I've masturbated before. I killed possible future individuals by the millions. Any one of them could have joined with an egg and become a future individual.

But none had the chance.

the horror

[Kelinfort]

Abortion does not meet the criteria to be murder.
For it to be murder, it would have to fulfill all the following criteria:
1: It has to be illegal.
2: A person has to be killed.
3: It had to be done with malice aforethought.

1. Hitler didn't say it was illegal to kill Jews. He had five to six million killed. Wasn't that murder? Let's follow the dictionary definition of murder instead of the legal definition. The state could legalize murder of certain people like 'the Purge', and it would still be murder. It would just be legalized murder. And that's what abortion is.
2. Well, obviously...
3. Not necessarily, I'm thinking that there are plenty of psychopaths out there who murder and don't care afterwards. In regard to abortion, there are those who are taught to think that 'fetuses' are nothing more than just lumps of flesh and not developing human beings.

Besides, the Bible says that God knows us even in our mother's wombs, and before that! Therefore, abortion is murder.

Your God not mine

[Galloism]

Full disclosure:

I've masturbated before. I killed possible future individuals by the millions. Any one of them could have joined with an egg and become a future individual.

But none had the chance.

Pol Pot, is that you?

Average Teenager more evil than Pol Pot.

News at 11.

[Othelos]

Abortion does not meet the criteria to be murder.
For it to be murder, it would have to fulfill all the following criteria:
1: It has to be illegal.
2: A person has to be killed.
3: It had to be done with malice aforethought.

1. Hitler didn't say it was illegal to kill Jews. He had five to six million killed. Wasn't that murder? Let's follow the dictionary definition of murder instead of the legal definition. The state could legalize murder of certain people like 'the Purge', and it would still be murder. It would just be legalized murder. And that's what abortion is.
2. Well, obviously...
3. Not necessarily, I'm thinking that there are plenty of psychopaths out there who murder and don't care afterwards. In regard to abortion, there are those who are taught to think that 'fetuses' are nothing more than just lumps of flesh and not developing human beings.

Besides, the Bible says that God knows us even in our mother's wombs, and before that! Therefore, abortion is murder.

Murder is a legal term. If it is legal killing, then it is not murder. Hence, why capital punishment is not considered murder.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Pol Pot, is that you?

Average Teenager more evil than Pol Pot.

News at 11.

2edgy4me. Huehuehue!!

[Kelinfort]

Pol Pot, is that you?

Average Teenager more evil than Pol Pot.

News at 11.

*looks down*

At this rate, I put Xenu to shame years ago.

[Dyakovo]

Repeating this bullshit does not make it true. You've given us no reason to take this claim seriously. What precedent is there to accept it as true?

The precedent of common sense? If you have sex, there's a chance to have a child.

A chance. A fairly small chance at that.
For consent to sex to reasonably be considered to also be consent to pregnancy, the human reproductive system would have to be efficient enough for having sex to be a virtual guarantee of impregnation.
I have never had sex with the intent of procreating.

[The Union of Tentacles and Grapes]

Abortion does not meet the criteria to be murder.
For it to be murder, it would have to fulfill all the following criteria:
1: It has to be illegal.
2: A person has to be killed.
3: It had to be done with malice aforethought.

1. Hitler didn't say it was illegal to kill Jews. He had five to six million killed. Wasn't that murder? Let's follow the dictionary definition of murder instead of the legal definition. The state could legalize murder of certain people like 'the Purge', and it would still be murder. It would just be legalized murder. And that's what abortion is.
2. Well, obviously...
3. Not necessarily, I'm thinking that there are plenty of psychopaths out there who murder and don't care afterwards. In regard to abortion, there are those who are taught to think that 'fetuses' are nothing more than just lumps of flesh and not developing human beings.

Besides, the Bible says that God knows us even in our mother's wombs, and before that! Therefore, abortion is murder.

1 and 2 you are correct
3 you are wrong. A fetus is by definition a lump of flesh that is not a developed human being

Also, your pic is totally wrecking my poedar and trollometer.

[Godular]

1. Hitler didn't say it was illegal to kill Jews. He had five to six million killed. Wasn't that murder? Let's follow the dictionary definition of murder instead of the legal definition. The state could legalize murder of certain people like 'the Purge', and it would still be murder. It would just be legalized murder. And that's what abortion is.
2. Well, obviously...
3. Not necessarily, I'm thinking that there are plenty of psychopaths out there who murder and don't care afterwards. In regard to abortion, there are those who are taught to think that 'fetuses' are nothing more than just lumps of flesh and not developing human beings.

Besides, the Bible says that God knows us even in our mother's wombs, and before that! Therefore, abortion is murder.

1 and 2 you are correct
3 you are wrong. A fetus is by definition a lump of flesh that is not a developed human being

Also, your pic is totally wrecking my poedar and trollometer.

The worst part is he's serious.