Old Man Kills Intruder

[Rephesus]

Depends. Did I just beat you up, breaking bones and all ?

Why does that matter? You could be going to get a weapon.

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Him shooting the criminals doesn't mean he isn't the primary victim. No amount of pretending will change that.

Who said anything about a primary victim? What does that even mean?

Primary as in earliest chronologically. He was the primary victim.

2. Primary
earliest in time or order of development.
"the primary stage of their political education"
synonyms: original, earliest, initial, first; essential, fundamental, basic
"the primary cause"
antonyms: secondary
not derived from, caused by, or based on anything else.
"the research involved the use of primary source materials in national and local archives"

[Ralkovian Grand Island]

Are you implying that shooting assailants who rob your home and Injure you is 'uncivilized'? It's almost as if you're calling an 80 year old man 'uncivilized'.

Shooting people who are running away from you most certainly is uncivilized behavior.

It's uncivilized in your opinion. In my opinion it's the height of civility. The equalization of an old man with two young thugs. CIVILIZATION!

[Rephesus]

Him shooting the criminals doesn't mean he isn't the primary victim. No amount of pretending will change that.

Primary victim? Talk about your loaded terms. There are two victims here. No amount of pretending will change that.

See above. I know there's two victims, that's why one is a Primary victim instead of the Only victim.

[Scomagia]

Shooting people who are running away from you most certainly is uncivilized behavior.

It's uncivilized in your opinion. In my opinion it's the height of civility. The equalization of an old man with two young thugs. CIVILIZATION!

That fact that you are fundamentally unable to understand what is wrong with shooting someone who poses no threat to you is troubling, to say the least.

[Ralkovian Grand Island]

I stubbed my toe. I'm also a victim here. Some pretending will change that.

Stupid and irrelevant post.

Ahh mean words. I'm a victim!

[Scomagia]

Stupid and irrelevant post.

Ahh mean words. I'm a victim!

Sharp debating skills.

[New Acardia]

She would not have been killed in the first place if the bitch did not brake in to the old man's house and beat him .

Irrelevant. She was shot to death. Ergo she is a victim of being shot, and of the man who shot her. That is how the English language works. Incidentally it's "break in". Brakes are the things you use to stop your car.

You know what was meant .
And my point is the bitch would still be alive if she did not break in to a 80 year old man's house and beat him . So the bitch is no victim .
Just a criminal who got killed while commenting a violent crime.
To which I say DSAF .

[Scomagia]

Primary victim? Talk about your loaded terms. There are two victims here. No amount of pretending will change that.

See above. I know there's two victims, that's why one is a Primary victim instead of the Only victim.

Why do you feel the need to designate a primary victim at all? We know there are two and we know who they are.

[Ralkovian Grand Island]

It's uncivilized in your opinion. In my opinion it's the height of civility. The equalization of an old man with two young thugs. CIVILIZATION!

That fact that you are fundamentally unable to understand what is wrong with shooting someone who poses no threat to you is troubling, to say the least.

Criminals pose a threat to civilization. The fact that you are fundamentally unable to understand what isn't wrong with shooting two violent criminals who pose a threat is quite troubling.

[Xin Prussia]

The old man is in the right. I have zero sympathy for the escaping robbers.

I don't care what the law says; if I were in charge I'd rewrite the laws so that no freaking trespasser (especially trespassers who were there to steal things) should have ANY course of action in court for things that happen during the commission of a crime. If you're willing to rob other people, then you need to own up to the consequences, and they might not just come from the police.

I hope the law will help the old man out. He was just avenging what those people did to his body and his property.

"Stay off my lawn, you stupid kids!" *shoots a group of twelve year olds*

Nice Strawman. Need a lighter?

[Turmenista]

That's what they get for messing with the wrong old man.

If they were to attack me like that I'd drive them off and make sure they never came back.

[Scomagia]

That fact that you are fundamentally unable to understand what is wrong with shooting someone who poses no threat to you is troubling, to say the least.

Criminals pose a threat to civilization. The fact that you are fundamentally unable to understand what isn't wrong with shooting two violent criminals who pose a threat is quite troubling.

Pose a threat to whom, exactly?

[Ralkovian Grand Island]

Ahh mean words. I'm a victim!

Sharp debating skills.

Hey, I'm correct in being called the victim here. You are acting against me.

[Ralkovian Grand Island]

Criminals pose a threat to civilization. The fact that you are fundamentally unable to understand what isn't wrong with shooting two violent criminals who pose a threat is quite troubling.

Pose a threat to whom, exactly?

Everyone, including you.

[Scomagia]

Pose a threat to whom, exactly?

Everyone, including you.

In the immediate sense of threat, which is required for a self defense claim, to whom did they pose a threat.

[TheConfederate States of America]

If someone brakes in my house they are going to get shot.

[Ifreann]

She is a victim because she was killed in an unlawful manner.

she took that risk on her own by her unlawful actions.

And this man took a risk on his own by owning property. Do you think it's his own fault for getting robbed?

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You could have a weapon. You could be going to get one. If, as you say, it is self defence to kill someone who might have a weapon at some point in the future and might then use it against you, then anyone can kill anyone else at any time and it would be self defence.

Let me just reach through the internet and choke you to death with my Choke-o-matic 5600. You're more than welcome to initiate self-defense afterwards.
Honestly don't pretend that you can ignore context here. It's unbecoming for people like you Ifreann.

The context is people running away. If they're a threat to one's life because they might get a weapon then anyone is a threat at any time.

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Why does that matter? You could be going to get a weapon.

Because I need to determine if you have a reason to assume I desire to hurt you. Having beaten you to a pulp a few minutes before would be a reasonably valid reason for that; especially if I know you could identify me in a courtroom later.

In that case I would fully understand you fearing me sufficiently to take no chances.

Anyone could have a reason to want to hurt you at any point in time.

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Why does that matter? You could be going to get a weapon.

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Who said anything about a primary victim? What does that even mean?

Primary as in earliest chronologically. He was the primary victim.

2. Primary
earliest in time or order of development.
"the primary stage of their political education"
synonyms: original, earliest, initial, first; essential, fundamental, basic
"the primary cause"
antonyms: secondary
not derived from, caused by, or based on anything else.
"the research involved the use of primary source materials in national and local archives"

Why is that an important distinction here?

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Shooting people who are running away from you most certainly is uncivilized behavior.

It's uncivilized in your opinion. In my opinion it's the height of civility. The equalization of an old man with two young thugs. CIVILIZATION!

What was equal about it? They didn't have guns. And if they did it still wouldn't be equal. Young people tend to be faster than older people, and with better vision and fine motor control.

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Irrelevant. She was shot to death. Ergo she is a victim of being shot, and of the man who shot her. That is how the English language works. Incidentally it's "break in". Brakes are the things you use to stop your car.

You know what was meant .
And my point is the bitch would still be alive if she did not break in to a 80 year old man's house and beat him . So the bitch is no victim .
Just a criminal who got killed while commenting a violent crime.

And since she got killed she is a victim.

To which I say DSAF .

DSAF?

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That's what they get for messing with the wrong old man.

If they were to attack me like that I'd drive them off and make sure they never came back.

Or you'd shit yourself and cry and beg for mercy.

[Scomagia]

If someone brakes in my house they are going to get shot.

And if you shoot them while they are running away from you and are no longer on your property, you'll likely find yourself on trial.

[New Waterford]

That's what they get for messing with the wrong old man.

If they were to attack me like that I'd drive them off and make sure they never came back.

You wouldn't shoot them, though, would you?

[Ralkovian Grand Island]

If someone brakes in my house they are going to get shot.

breaks...

[New Acardia]

Him shooting the criminals doesn't mean he isn't the primary victim. No amount of pretending will change that.

Primary victim? Talk about your loaded terms. There are two victims here. No amount of pretending will change that.

You are right there's the victim and the thug .
It just happened that the thug got killed while braking in to the house and beating the victim .
Any who gets killed while commenting a crime .
There deaths should be filed as DSAF.

[Rephesus]

See above. I know there's two victims, that's why one is a Primary victim instead of the Only victim.

Why do you feel the need to designate a primary victim at all? We know there are two and we know who they are.

Because one was the Victim first and if they were not made a victim then the secondary victim would not be a victim, rather there would be no incident. The act of the secondary victim against the primary victim lead to the primary victim placing the secondary victim into a position where they became a victim. Comprendo?

[Ifreann]

If someone brakes in my house they are going to get shot.

Who asked about you?

[Hurtful Thoughts]

My take on this, the guy should spend the remainder of his life in prison. Shooting once cool, he should have waited for the police to pick her up. Double tapping while down, not cool.

She wasn't down, she was a repeat-burglarizer of his property lying through her teeth to get her way.

Incidentally, had she lived she'd probably sued him on some made-up BS, costing more than defending against whatever this murder charge is going to do. Maybe even claim the old man started it by raping her.

[Scomagia]

Primary victim? Talk about your loaded terms. There are two victims here. No amount of pretending will change that.

You are right there's the victim and the thug .
It just happened that the thug got killed while braking in to the house and beating the victim .
Any who gets killed while commenting a crime .
There deaths should be filed as DSAF.

It's breaking in, okay? B-r-e-a-k-i-n-g. And no, the second victim was not shot while breaking into the house and beating the first victim. Also, it's their.