Old Man Kills Intruder

[Gaiserin]

You kinda need to have such weapons in your hand and be pointing them where you want to shoot them for them to work, though.

You would, technically. It did not really apply once they committed an assault.

Suffice to say, I strongly doubt he will be a victim of any further burglaries.

[MERIZoC]

Can't believe i'm on this side but...
Manslaughter. Definitely.

Two robbers entered his property with the intent of stealing from him. He resisted, was beaten, and grabbed a gun. He fired at them, and killed one, while they were running away. Excessive self-defense, really.

I don't really think manslaughter works here. He definitely intended to kill her. Either he gets a murder charge, or he doesn't.

[Ethel mermania]

The thug bitch did seem to care about his life when the bitch was beating him .
So let's not turn this thug bitch in to the victim .

She was turned into a victim by the man who shot her. No amount of childish name calling on your part will change that.

she is no victum, if she wasnt beating and robbing the guy, she wouldnt be dead. she took the risk, she didnt think it was risky beating and robbing an 80 year old, but it was.

i shed no tears for her.

[Ifreann]

She was turned into a victim by the man who shot her. No amount of childish name calling on your part will change that.

A criminal was turned dead by the man who shot her. No amount of pretending will change that.

I don't believe I ever suggested that anything different happened.

[New Acardia]

The thug bitch did seem to care about his life when the bitch was beating him .
So let's not turn this thug bitch in to the victim .

She was turned into a victim by the man who shot her. No amount of childish name calling on your part will change that.

She would not have been killed in the first place if the bitch did not brake in to the old man's house and beat him .

[Scomagia]

She was turned into a victim by the man who shot her. No amount of childish name calling on your part will change that.

she is no victum, if she wasnt beating and robbing the guy, she wouldnt be dead. she took the risk, she didnt think it was risky beating and robbing an 80 year old, but it was.

i shed no tears for her.

She is a victim because she was killed in an unlawful manner.

[The Alma Mater]

I don't know if you're going to grab a weapon. Can I kill you in self defence right now?

Depends. Did I just beat you up, breaking bones and all ?

[Rephesus]

A criminal was turned dead by the man who shot her. No amount of pretending will change that.

Her being a criminal doesn't mean she isn't also a victim. no amount of pretending will change that.

Him shooting the criminals doesn't mean he isn't the primary victim. No amount of pretending will change that.

[Ethel mermania]

i support the felony murder rule, i am good with the charge,

…..Yes, I'd figured that out. Brilliant argument you've got there.

not really, but it makes a lot more sense than yours

[Rephesus]

she is no victum, if she wasnt beating and robbing the guy, she wouldnt be dead. she took the risk, she didnt think it was risky beating and robbing an 80 year old, but it was.

i shed no tears for her.

She is a victim because she was killed in an unlawful manner.

That's debatable, a case for self defence could easily be pressed, I'm sure a Jury would see the sense in it.

[Ifreann]

She was turned into a victim by the man who shot her. No amount of childish name calling on your part will change that.

She would not have been killed in the first place if the bitch did not brake in to the old man's house and beat him .

Irrelevant. She was shot to death. Ergo she is a victim of being shot, and of the man who shot her. That is how the English language works. Incidentally it's "break in". Brakes are the things you use to stop your car.

[Ralkovian Grand Island]

A criminal was turned dead by the man who shot her. No amount of pretending will change that.

Her being a criminal doesn't mean she isn't also a victim. no amount of pretending will change that.

Anyone can be a victim. People who go to jail are victims as well.

Someone who has something done to them by something else is a victim.

So we just made a victim another type of victim. I have no problem with that.

[New Acardia]

She was turned into a victim by the man who shot her. No amount of childish name calling on your part will change that.

she is no victum, if she wasnt beating and robbing the guy, she wouldnt be dead. she took the risk, she didnt think it was risky beating and robbing an 80 year old, but it was.

i shed no tears for her.

Thank you you said it better than I could.

[Scomagia]

Her being a criminal doesn't mean she isn't also a victim. no amount of pretending will change that.

Him shooting the criminals doesn't mean he isn't the primary victim. No amount of pretending will change that.

Primary victim? Talk about your loaded terms. There are two victims here. No amount of pretending will change that.

[Ifreann]

I don't know if you're going to grab a weapon. Can I kill you in self defence right now?

Depends. Did I just beat you up, breaking bones and all ?

Why does that matter? You could be going to get a weapon.

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Her being a criminal doesn't mean she isn't also a victim. no amount of pretending will change that.

Him shooting the criminals doesn't mean he isn't the primary victim. No amount of pretending will change that.

Who said anything about a primary victim? What does that even mean?

[Scomagia]

She is a victim because she was killed in an unlawful manner.

That's debatable, a case for self defence could easily be pressed, I'm sure a Jury would see the sense in it.

Not in any civilized country. In this one? I'm sure there are many who wouldn't vote to convict.

[Ethel mermania]

she is no victum, if she wasnt beating and robbing the guy, she wouldnt be dead. she took the risk, she didnt think it was risky beating and robbing an 80 year old, but it was.

i shed no tears for her.

She is a victim because she was killed in an unlawful manner.

she took that risk on her own by her unlawful actions.

[Ralkovian Grand Island]

Only if I can kill you right now.

You could have a weapon. You could be going to get one. If, as you say, it is self defence to kill someone who might have a weapon at some point in the future and might then use it against you, then anyone can kill anyone else at any time and it would be self defence.

Let me just reach through the internet and choke you to death with my Choke-o-matic 5600. You're more than welcome to initiate self-defense afterwards.
Honestly don't pretend that you can ignore context here. It's unbecoming for people like you Ifreann.

[Rephesus]

That's debatable, a case for self defence could easily be pressed, I'm sure a Jury would see the sense in it.

Not in any civilized country. In this one? I'm sure there are many who wouldn't vote to convict.

Are you implying that shooting assailants who rob your home and Injure you is 'uncivilized'? It's almost as if you're calling an 80 year old man 'uncivilized'.

[Ralkovian Grand Island]

Him shooting the criminals doesn't mean he isn't the primary victim. No amount of pretending will change that.

Primary victim? Talk about your loaded terms. There are two victims here. No amount of pretending will change that.

I stubbed my toe. I'm also a victim here. Some pretending will change that.

[Scomagia]

She is a victim because she was killed in an unlawful manner.

she took that risk on her own by her unlawful actions.

The law doesn't function like ITGs think it should, thankfully.

[Scomagia]

Primary victim? Talk about your loaded terms. There are two victims here. No amount of pretending will change that.

I stubbed my toe. I'm also a victim here. Some pretending will change that.

Stupid and irrelevant post.

[Scomagia]

Not in any civilized country. In this one? I'm sure there are many who wouldn't vote to convict.

Are you implying that shooting assailants who rob your home and Injure you is 'uncivilized'? It's almost as if you're calling an 80 year old man 'uncivilized'.

Shooting people who are running away from you most certainly is uncivilized behavior.

[Ifreann]

She was turned into a victim by the man who shot her. No amount of childish name calling on your part will change that.

she is no victum, if she wasnt beating and robbing the guy, she wouldnt be dead.

Probably not. Regardless, she is a victim.

she took the risk, she didnt think it was risky beating and robbing an 80 year old, but it was.

How do you know what she was thinking? Did you conduct a seance?

i shed no tears for her.

Who you shed tears for is your own business and has no bearing on this topic at all.

[The Alma Mater]

Depends. Did I just beat you up, breaking bones and all ?

Why does that matter? You could be going to get a weapon.

Because I need to determine if you have a reason to assume I desire to hurt you. Having beaten you to a pulp a few minutes before would be a reasonably valid reason for that; especially if I know you could identify me in a courtroom later.

In that case I would fully understand you fearing me sufficiently to take no chances.