Old Man Kills Intruder

[Ethel mermania]

once the assaliant turns and flees, its no longer self defense.

I'd consider it self-defense. Never know if they're going to go back and grab a weapon.

It stops being self-defense if they surrender and lay down on the floor.

We don't need any more criminals living in this World.

you may consider it self defense, the law doesnt.

[Gauthier]

…Wait, why the fuck is the other guy being charged with murder?

If someone dies in the commission of a felony, everyone complicit in that felony can be charged with murder.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony_murder_rule

Felony murder rule is like the sex offender registry. People can get on it in sheer defiance of common sense. Like getaway drivers being locked up for murder.

[Scomagia]

Because shooting someone who is running away from you is not protected by the law.

And self defence is.

Thus the argument.

It isn't self defense.

[Ifreann]

If that woman was really pregnant, then she shouldn't have been robbing a house and beating an elderly person. End of story.

She wasn't pregnant. It says so in the OP.

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How are people who are running away a threat to the person they're running away from?

Is that a rhetorical question? Because obviously they can be, you see ranged weaponry does exist.

You kinda need to have such weapons in your hand and be pointing them where you want to shoot them for them to work, though.

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once the assaliant turns and flees, its no longer self defense.

I'd consider it self-defense. Never know if they're going to go back and grab a weapon.

I don't know if you're going to grab a weapon. Can I kill you in self defence right now?

[MERIZoC]

At least it wasn't the south, or he probably could have claimed stand your ground. Seriously, shooting while they are in his house, thats one thing. shooting while they are fleeing, thats just wrong. This man should go to jail.

He's a hero.

Whether or not you believe he's innocent, no matter what definition of "hero" you use, he doesn't fit it.

[Scomagia]

Because shooting someone who is running away from you is not protected by the law.

No, the other burglar is being charged.

Adams, the alleged accomplice, fled the scene, according to Greer and Chief McDonnell. He was later arrested and charged Friday with five felony counts, including murder in Miller's death, residential robbery , burglary, grand theft firearm and possession of a firearm by a felon. He's currently jailed on $1.25 million bond.

That is fucking silly.

[Ethel mermania]

If someone dies in the commission of a felony, everyone complicit in that felony can be charged with murder.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony_murder_rule

That's fucking stupid.

no its not. if they werent beating and robbing the old guy, none of this would have happened.

[Scomagia]

It seems to me that some people want to turn this thug bitch in to the victim . And the old man that this thug bitch beat in to a criminal for defending himself .
If people get killed in the process of commenting a crime . That's there tough luck one the hazards of being a criminal .

Gotta love the injection of misogyny here.

[New Acardia]

He shot her in the back as she was trying to get away and pleading for her life. That's not stopping a threat. That's executing someone who's retreating/surrendering.

The thug bitch did seem to care about his life when the bitch was beating him .
So let's not turn this thug bitch in to the victim .

[MERIZoC]

That's fucking stupid.

no its not. if they werent beating and robbing the old guy, none of this would have happened.

That's true. He still didn't murder his partner. Hence it being "fucking stupid".

[Gauthier]

It seems to me that some people want to turn this thug bitch in to the victim . And the old man that this thug bitch beat in to a criminal for defending himself .
If people get killed in the process of commenting a crime . That's there tough luck one the hazards of being a criminal .

Gotta love the injection of misogyny here.

It's the Florida Defense. Paint the deceased as career niggers thugs and a murder charge instantly turns into a commendation for a medal.

[Scomagia]

If that woman was really pregnant, then she shouldn't have been robbing a house and beating an elderly person. End of story.

That is probably the stupidest assumption in this thread thus far. Congrats.

[Scomagia]

Gotta love the injection of misogyny here.

It's the Florida Defense. Paint the deceased as career niggers thugs and a murder charge instantly turns into a commendation for a medal.

It's disgusting.

[Ethel mermania]

no its not. if they werent beating and robbing the old guy, none of this would have happened.

That's true. He still didn't murder his partner. Hence it being "fucking stupid".

i support the felony murder rule, i am good with the charge,

[Ralkovian Grand Island]

He's a hero.

Whether or not you believe he's innocent, no matter what definition of "hero" you use, he doesn't fit it.

Fine. Superhero.

[Ifreann]

He shot her in the back as she was trying to get away and pleading for her life. That's not stopping a threat. That's executing someone who's retreating/surrendering.

The thug bitch did seem to care about his life when the bitch was beating him .
So let's not turn this thug bitch in to the victim .

She was turned into a victim by the man who shot her. No amount of childish name calling on your part will change that.

[New Acardia]

It seems to me that some people want to turn this thug bitch in to the victim . And the old man that this thug bitch beat in to a criminal for defending himself .
If people get killed in the process of commenting a crime . That's there tough luck one the hazards of being a criminal .

Gotta love the injection of misogyny here.

I just call it as I see it .

[Ralkovian Grand Island]

I'd consider it self-defense. Never know if they're going to go back and grab a weapon.

I don't know if you're going to grab a weapon. Can I kill you in self defence right now?

Only if I can kill you right now.

[MERIZoC]

That's true. He still didn't murder his partner. Hence it being "fucking stupid".

i support the felony murder rule, i am good with the charge,

…..Yes, I'd figured that out. Brilliant argument you've got there.

[New Babylonia]

Can't believe i'm on this side but...
Manslaughter. Definitely.

Two robbers entered his property with the intent of stealing from him. He resisted, was beaten, and grabbed a gun. He fired at them, and killed one, while they were running away. Excessive self-defense, really.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

No.
That's not even halfway the context of that. Please try again.

*inserts coin in troll machine* MORE!

Please learn what a troll is. Because you're doing it here more than those you're accusing. For reference.

No, because it's only legal to kill others in the case of self-defense.

Yes, it is okay you fucking monkey.

*** Warned *** for the flaming. Noted you'd later changed it, tone remains the same, however. Don't do it. Rules linked above for your edification as well.

Carry on, folks. And please, behave.

[Ralkovian Grand Island]

The thug bitch did seem to care about his life when the bitch was beating him .
So let's not turn this thug bitch in to the victim .

She was turned into a victim by the man who shot her. No amount of childish name calling on your part will change that.

A criminal was turned dead by the man who shot her. No amount of pretending will change that.

[Scomagia]

Gotta love the injection of misogyny here.

I just call it as I see it .

And you clearly see misogyny as acceptable behavior.

[Ifreann]

I don't know if you're going to grab a weapon. Can I kill you in self defence right now?

Only if I can kill you right now.

You could have a weapon. You could be going to get one. If, as you say, it is self defence to kill someone who might have a weapon at some point in the future and might then use it against you, then anyone can kill anyone else at any time and it would be self defence.

[Scomagia]

She was turned into a victim by the man who shot her. No amount of childish name calling on your part will change that.

A criminal was turned dead by the man who shot her. No amount of pretending will change that.

Her being a criminal doesn't mean she isn't also a victim. no amount of pretending will change that.