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Postby Gauthier » Sat Jul 26, 2014 6:25 am

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Herrebrugh wrote:
... Alright...

I mean, how could "...anyone with half a brain have figured that she was lying"?


Hey, I'm not saying it. I'm just explaining a possible thought process...

If she was truly pregnant, oh geez... that shitstorm...


I'd find it hilarious if the old man claimed he felt genuinely threatened by the unborn fetus. Just to see the looks on the face of anti-abortion activists.
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Postby Scomagia » Sat Jul 26, 2014 6:25 am

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Ifreann wrote:He wouldn't. He'd be sent to a secure mental hospital until he was no longer a danger to himself or others.


I very much doubt that a judge can just throw a case out for no good reason. Not without getting booted off the bench.


I don't tell with insane people... so I wouldn't know.

And I'm a not judge, so I can only say with possibilities and probabilities.

A judge can't dismiss a case unless there's actually something wrong with it. They don't get discretion like that.
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Postby Herrebrugh » Sat Jul 26, 2014 6:25 am

Ionian Knights wrote:
Herrebrugh wrote:
... Alright...

I mean, how could "...anyone with half a brain have figured that she was lying"?


Hey, I'm not saying it. I'm just explaining a possible thought process...

If she was truly pregnant, oh geez... that shitstorm...


No, I mean I was specifically referring to that part. I don't see how "I think he is saying something along the lines of pleading the belly." is an answer to that...
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sat Jul 26, 2014 6:25 am

It's simple: if you break houses and assault people, you run the risk of being shot by the people you rob and assault. I have zero sympathy for this woman, she got what she deserved.
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Postby Scomagia » Sat Jul 26, 2014 6:26 am

The Two Jerseys wrote:It's simple: if you break houses and assault people, you run the risk of being shot by the people you rob and assault. I have zero sympathy for this woman, she got what she deserved.

You don't understand law. Good to know.
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Postby Ionian Knights » Sat Jul 26, 2014 6:27 am

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Ifreann wrote:He wouldn't. He'd be sent to a secure mental hospital until he was no longer a danger to himself or others.


I very much doubt that a judge can just throw a case out for no good reason. Not without getting booted off the bench.

It's the DA that has discretion here, right?


I don't know. I don't know that much about court proceedings. I'm kind of ignorant on the manner.

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Ionian Knights wrote:
Hey, I'm not saying it. I'm just explaining a possible thought process...

If she was truly pregnant, oh geez... that shitstorm...


No, I mean I was specifically referring to that part. I don't see how "I think he is saying something along the lines of pleading the belly." is an answer to that...


idk... again, possible thought process. I can't read minds here.
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Postby Ionian Knights » Sat Jul 26, 2014 6:27 am

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The Two Jerseys wrote:It's simple: if you break houses and assault people, you run the risk of being shot by the people you rob and assault. I have zero sympathy for this woman, she got what she deserved.

You don't understand law. Good to know.


Really, the only people who truly understand la to a tee are lawyers and judges :meh:

Just saying.

We're all kind of backseat judges unless proven otherwise.
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Postby Salus Maior » Sat Jul 26, 2014 6:28 am

It is regrettable, but the woman is responsible for her own death. They shouldn't have broken into that man's home and assaulted him.

And besides, what evidence is there that the woman is actually pregnant? Or that the man "double tapped? Firing twice doesn't necessarily mean he shot her once and then walked over to her to shoot her again.
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Postby Rephesus » Sat Jul 26, 2014 6:28 am

Scomagia wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:It's simple: if you break houses and assault people, you run the risk of being shot by the people you rob and assault. I have zero sympathy for this woman, she got what she deserved.

You don't understand law. Good to know.

And you're making baseless assumptions.

He said she got what she deserved, not that what he did was legal.

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Postby Ifreann » Sat Jul 26, 2014 6:29 am

Ionian Knights wrote:
Ifreann wrote:He wouldn't. He'd be sent to a secure mental hospital until he was no longer a danger to himself or others.


I very much doubt that a judge can just throw a case out for no good reason. Not without getting booted off the bench.


I don't tell with insane people... so I wouldn't know.

It would be ridiculous for a person proven in court to be so dangerous to be allowed go free.

And I'm a not judge, so I can only say with possibilities and probabilities.

What makes you think it's possible for a judge to just throw out a case for not reason?


Scomagia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:He wouldn't. He'd be sent to a secure mental hospital until he was no longer a danger to himself or others.


I very much doubt that a judge can just throw a case out for no good reason. Not without getting booted off the bench.

It's the DA that has discretion here, right?

The DA's office could decline to pursue charges, I imagine.

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Postby Scomagia » Sat Jul 26, 2014 6:29 am

Salus Maior wrote:It is regrettable, but the woman is responsible for her own death. They shouldn't have broken into that man's home and assaulted him.

And besides, what evidence is there that the woman is actually pregnant? Or that the man "double tapped? Firing twice doesn't necessarily mean he shot her once and then walked over to her to shoot her again.

She is not responsible for her own death, the man who shot her is.
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Postby Herrebrugh » Sat Jul 26, 2014 6:29 am

Rephesus wrote:
Scomagia wrote:You don't understand law. Good to know.

And you're making baseless assumptions.

He said she got what she deserved, not that what he did was legal.


Indeed... I was a bit confused by that myself...
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Postby Scomagia » Sat Jul 26, 2014 6:30 am

Rephesus wrote:
Scomagia wrote:You don't understand law. Good to know.

And you're making baseless assumptions.

He said she got what she deserved, not that what he did was legal.

The law is our basis for people "getting what they deserve" in matters such as these.
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Postby Ionian Knights » Sat Jul 26, 2014 6:30 am

Ifreann wrote:
Ionian Knights wrote:
I don't tell with insane people... so I wouldn't know.

It would be ridiculous for a person proven in court to be so dangerous to be allowed go free.

And I'm a not judge, so I can only say with possibilities and probabilities.

What makes you think it's possible for a judge to just throw out a case for not reason?


Scomagia wrote:It's the DA that has discretion here, right?

The DA's office could decline to pursue charges, I imagine.


I don't know. I am ignorant, I will admit. I am just trying to think of possibilities.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Jul 26, 2014 6:30 am

Salus Maior wrote:It is regrettable, but the woman is responsible for her own death. They shouldn't have broken into that man's home and assaulted him.

And besides, what evidence is there that the woman is actually pregnant? Or that the man "double tapped? Firing twice doesn't necessarily mean he shot her once and then walked over to her to shoot her again.

It's right there in the OP that she wasn't pregnant.

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Postby Salus Maior » Sat Jul 26, 2014 6:30 am

Scomagia wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:It's simple: if you break houses and assault people, you run the risk of being shot by the people you rob and assault. I have zero sympathy for this woman, she got what she deserved.

You don't understand law. Good to know.


Law in the ideological/philosophical sense? Or in the literal sense?

I'm fairly certain that if someone breaks into your home, (in the U.S, anyway), its perfectly legal to shoot them.
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Postby New Acardia » Sat Jul 26, 2014 6:31 am

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Othelos wrote:So they were running away and he kept shooting? That's not self-defense lol.


He shot the woman, who proceeded to say she was pregnant and he replied with a second shot to her back. Charming fellow.

But the thug bitch lied .
Ether way the thug bitch would still be alive if she did not brake in to the old man's house in the first place.
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Postby Scomagia » Sat Jul 26, 2014 6:31 am

Ifreann wrote:
Ionian Knights wrote:
I don't tell with insane people... so I wouldn't know.

It would be ridiculous for a person proven in court to be so dangerous to be allowed go free.

And I'm a not judge, so I can only say with possibilities and probabilities.

What makes you think it's possible for a judge to just throw out a case for not reason?


Scomagia wrote:It's the DA that has discretion here, right?

The DA's office could decline to pursue charges, I imagine.

Is it likely that they would decline? I could see them going either way. In a more reasonable country a conviction wouldn't be difficult but here in the states I highly doubt he'd be convicted. That motivates the DA's office not to pursue, doesn't it?
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Postby Herrebrugh » Sat Jul 26, 2014 6:31 am

Scomagia wrote:
Rephesus wrote:And you're making baseless assumptions.

He said she got what she deserved, not that what he did was legal.

The law is our basis for people "getting what they deserve" in matters such as these.


You can decide for yourself whether you believe someone deserved something, you know. It doesn't have to have a legal basis...
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Postby Rephesus » Sat Jul 26, 2014 6:31 am

Scomagia wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:It is regrettable, but the woman is responsible for her own death. They shouldn't have broken into that man's home and assaulted him.

And besides, what evidence is there that the woman is actually pregnant? Or that the man "double tapped? Firing twice doesn't necessarily mean he shot her once and then walked over to her to shoot her again.

She is not responsible for her own death, the man who shot her is.

She is responsible for getting herself into that situation. She's responsible for putting herself at risk, she's responsible for assaulting and beating an old man, she's responsible for breaking and entering, trespassing, assault, vandalism and countless other things. She was shot because she was a criminal who happened to attack an armed man. Not because she was some innocent bystander.

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Postby Salus Maior » Sat Jul 26, 2014 6:32 am

Scomagia wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:It is regrettable, but the woman is responsible for her own death. They shouldn't have broken into that man's home and assaulted him.

And besides, what evidence is there that the woman is actually pregnant? Or that the man "double tapped? Firing twice doesn't necessarily mean he shot her once and then walked over to her to shoot her again.

She is not responsible for her own death, the man who shot her is.


And why did the man shoot her? Because she made the choice to break into his home and assault him.
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Postby Carriberra » Sat Jul 26, 2014 6:32 am

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Scomagia wrote:You don't understand law. Good to know.


Law in the ideological/philosophical sense? Or in the literal sense?

I'm fairly certain that if someone breaks into your home, (in the U.S, anyway), its perfectly legal to shoot them.

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Postby Scomagia » Sat Jul 26, 2014 6:32 am

Salus Maior wrote:
Scomagia wrote:You don't understand law. Good to know.


Law in the ideological/philosophical sense? Or in the literal sense?

I'm fairly certain that if someone breaks into your home, (in the U.S, anyway), its perfectly legal to shoot them.

Only if they pose an immediate danger to your life. They were running away from his property when he plugged her.
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Postby Scomagia » Sat Jul 26, 2014 6:33 am

Rephesus wrote:
Scomagia wrote:She is not responsible for her own death, the man who shot her is.

She is responsible for getting herself into that situation. She's responsible for putting herself at risk, she's responsible for assaulting and beating an old man, she's responsible for breaking and entering, trespassing, assault, vandalism and countless other things. She was shot because she was a criminal who happened to attack an armed man. Not because she was some innocent bystander.

She was shot because the man didn't use his head and shot her after she was no longer a threat.
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Postby Rephesus » Sat Jul 26, 2014 6:33 am

Scomagia wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Law in the ideological/philosophical sense? Or in the literal sense?

I'm fairly certain that if someone breaks into your home, (in the U.S, anyway), its perfectly legal to shoot them.

Only if they pose an immediate danger to your life. They were running away from his property when he plugged her.

They were escaping a crime scene with his possessions after assaulting him. That's hardly an innocent exit.

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