Old Man Kills Intruder

[Xeng He]

And?
The Nazis were leaving?
Japan was leaving?
Napoleonic France was leaving?

The Nazis, Japan, and France were actually shooting at people, and likely to do so again.

[Scomagia]

You heard it here folks; God Kefka wants to legalize honor killings.

what's an ''honor killing''?

Killing someone over matters of honor....

[Rephesus]

what's an ''honor killing''?

Killing someone over matters of honor....

That's overly simplistic. The vast majority of Honour Killings are over breach of arranged marriage in India (Including Pakistan and Bangladesh) and West Africa. Generally done by the victims own families.

This was clearly not an honour killing, a false sense of 'honour' played no part in this.

[Iuronia]

Good.

[Scomagia]

Killing someone over matters of honor....

That's overly simplistic. The vast majority of Honour Killings are over breach of arranged marriage in India (Including Pakistan and Bangladesh) and West Africa. Generally done by the victims own families.

This was clearly not an honour killing, a false sense of 'honour' played no part in this.

Those killings are over matters that, according to those cultures, are dishonorable. No one, by the way, claimed this was an honor killing. Reading comprehension is your friend.

[Scomagia]

Good.

Not really.

[Ifreann]

Yes indeed, shooting this woman has not prevented a possible fifth burglary. In fact, a house that's empty because the sole occupant is in prison would be very easy to rob.

If he wasn't in prison then it would, actually.

No, it wouldn't.

Especially if the probable assumption that the couple were the previous burglars was true.

That's not actually probable at all. Rather the opposite.

Now if he simply did nothing and let them get away, it's more likely that they'd rob him again, or kill him.

I doubt it it more likely at all, actually. Why would they go back to a place they've robbed before?

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I think so yes.

The law should be rewritten so that it doesn't favor and protect criminals. Victims of crimes should not be revictimized by the law for avenging their honor.

You heard it here folks; God Kefka wants to legalize honor killings.

Dude takes his positions on justice from Game of Thrones. It's not surprising in the slightest.

[Herrebrugh]

I... Have a very hard time feeling sympathy for the killed intruder... Of course, killing people is bad (that goes without saying, obviously), but, according to the source, this (old) man has had to deal with this trice before, and was injured by the intruders... If I'd have a weapon in such a situation, I wouldn't know myself what I'd do...

In any case, I do believe the man should face a punishment, though, it should take into account the situation, and because of that be relatively light.

[Lydenburg]

At the unfortunate risk of drawing an analogy with Oscar Pistorius, I think that 90% of homeowners in my area would agree that if we suspected a home intruder we would go for a gun. Too many people die during casual burglaries for us to take any chances, and chances are the criminals are packing better firepower anyway. If we shoot first at least it gives us a fighting chance.

That being said, if there's one thing I've learned about preparing for this eventuality it's that there's no guarantee where lead will start flying when shit hits the fan. A few years ago, my old flatmate thought he could fire over the heads of some intruders and scare them off. Instead he shot one guy in the head and killed him.

Once I draw the weapon and point it at something I intend to shoot, I assume responsibility for wherever that bullet travels. The only thing you can do in that situation is make damn sure you know what you're doing, because if you inadvertently waste somebody you'll have to live with it.

[Ionian Knights]

Ihave a feeling that the Judge will probably just throw the case...

He may be in the wrong, he may not be.

Guy's been robbed 4 times, and this time he got the shit kicked out of him.

Goes for his gun, probably steaming mad and not thinking clearly.

Hell, one could pull an insanity defense off this.

Really, if this does go all the way to court, I'll be surprised. These are the kind of cases where there is no 'right' way for it to end.

[Ifreann]

Ihave a feeling that the Judge will probably just throw the case...

He may be in the wrong, he may not be.

Guy's been robbed 4 times, and this time he got the shit kicked out of him.

Goes for his gun, probably steaming mad and not thinking clearly.

Hell, one could pull an insanity defense off this.

And what do you think would happen to a man who was found to have killed another person because of their insanity?

Really, if this does go all the way to court, I'll be surprised. These are the kind of cases where there is no 'right' way for it to end.

Of course it will go to court.

[The Alma Mater]

And?
The Nazis were leaving?
Japan was leaving?
Napoleonic France was leaving?

The Nazis, Japan, and France were actually shooting at people, and likely to do so again.

This couple was actually beating an old man up in his home and likely to do so again.

So.. that does not make the comparison invalid

[Sklavinia]

Cold blood? She beat up an elderly man, tore up his house, tried making off with his valuables, and then pretended to be pregnant to save her own ass, which of course anyone with half a brain could've figured that she was lying.

That's not cold blood.

[Herrebrugh]

Cold blood? She beat up an elderly man, tore up his house, tried making off with his valuables, and then pretended to be pregnant to save her own ass, which of course anyone with half a brain could've figured that she was lying.

That's not cold blood.

Huh? Why is that?

[Ionian Knights]

Ihave a feeling that the Judge will probably just throw the case...

He may be in the wrong, he may not be.

Guy's been robbed 4 times, and this time he got the shit kicked out of him.

Goes for his gun, probably steaming mad and not thinking clearly.

Hell, one could pull an insanity defense off this.

And what do you think would happen to a man who was found to have killed another person because of their insanity?

Really, if this does go all the way to court, I'll be surprised. These are the kind of cases where there is no 'right' way for it to end.

Of course it will go to court.

I said one such defense could be used... temporary insanity due to these circumstances could be called. Permanent insanity has me questioning why that man would be on streets and not getting help

And really, it is the judge's decision if he wants to let it go down.

[Ifreann]

Cold blood? She beat up an elderly man, tore up his house, tried making off with his valuables, and then pretended to be pregnant to save her own ass, which of course anyone with half a brain could've figured that she was lying.

I'm not sure you understand how pregnancy works, but it does take some time for it to be an obvious condition.

[Ionian Knights]

Cold blood? She beat up an elderly man, tore up his house, tried making off with his valuables, and then pretended to be pregnant to save her own ass, which of course anyone with half a brain could've figured that she was lying.

That's not cold blood.

Huh? Why is that?

I think he is saying something along the lines of pleading the belly.

[Herrebrugh]

Huh? Why is that?

I think he is saying something along the lines of pleading the belly.

... What?

[Gauthier]

Cold blood? She beat up an elderly man, tore up his house, tried making off with his valuables, and then pretended to be pregnant to save her own ass, which of course anyone with half a brain could've figured that she was lying.

I'm not sure you understand how pregnancy works, but it does take some time for it to be an obvious condition.

Come on now, it could have been legitimate rape.

[Ionian Knights]

I think he is saying something along the lines of pleading the belly.

... What?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleading_the_belly

Anne Bonny and Mary Read used the tactic infamously.

I'm not sure you understand how pregnancy works, but it does take some time for it to be an obvious condition.

Come on now, it could have been legitimate rape.

OH geez, lets not go there.

[Herrebrugh]

... What?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleading_the_belly

Anne Bonny and Mary Read used the tactic infamously.

... Alright...

I mean, how could "...anyone with half a brain have figured that she was lying"?

[Ifreann]

And what do you think would happen to a man who was found to have killed another person because of their insanity?


Of course it will go to court.

I said one such defense could be used... temporary insanity due to these circumstances could be called. Permanent insanity has me questioning why that man would be on streets and not getting help

He wouldn't. He'd be sent to a secure mental hospital until he was no longer a danger to himself or others.

And really, it is the judge's decision if he wants to let it go down.

I very much doubt that a judge can just throw a case out for no good reason. Not without getting booted off the bench.

[Ionian Knights]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleading_the_belly

Anne Bonny and Mary Read used the tactic infamously.

... Alright...

I mean, how could "...anyone with half a brain have figured that she was lying"?

Hey, I'm not saying it. I'm just explaining a possible thought process...

If she was truly pregnant, oh geez... that shitstorm...

[Ionian Knights]

I said one such defense could be used... temporary insanity due to these circumstances could be called. Permanent insanity has me questioning why that man would be on streets and not getting help

He wouldn't. He'd be sent to a secure mental hospital until he was no longer a danger to himself or others.

And really, it is the judge's decision if he wants to let it go down.

I very much doubt that a judge can just throw a case out for no good reason. Not without getting booted off the bench.

I don't tell with insane people... so I wouldn't know.

And I'm a not judge, so I can only say with possibilities and probabilities.

[Scomagia]

I said one such defense could be used... temporary insanity due to these circumstances could be called. Permanent insanity has me questioning why that man would be on streets and not getting help

He wouldn't. He'd be sent to a secure mental hospital until he was no longer a danger to himself or others.

And really, it is the judge's decision if he wants to let it go down.

I very much doubt that a judge can just throw a case out for no good reason. Not without getting booted off the bench.

It's the DA that has discretion here, right?