Old Man Kills Intruder

[Viritica]

People just love Grand Theft Auto wet dreams where they can shoot anyone they want and not face consequences for it.

I call Strawman

It's Gauth. Does this even surprise you?

[Fartsniffage]

People just love Grand Theft Auto wet dreams where they can shoot anyone they want and not face consequences for it.

I call Strawman

I call not being a lawyer in any sense of the word. But, hey, who's counting?

[Infected Mushroom]

Self-defense requires imminence. There must be a clear and present danger to your life. And it must be reasonable. In California, an objective reasonable person standard is employed for self-defense.

When the assailants flee, the imminent danger is over and your right to use deadly force ends. And when you leave your home, the place of safety, and give chase and kill someone, that's murder.

Stop defending murderers. Quit being pro-criminal.

This is Castle Doctrine we're talking about here. They were on his property and he'd been robbed four times before. They'd just got done beating him and who's to say they wouldn't return? It's reasonable to say he would think they'd harm him again the future.

Stop trying to re-victimize this man.

I agree.

[Fartsniffage]

Self-defense requires imminence. There must be a clear and present danger to your life. And it must be reasonable. In California, an objective reasonable person standard is employed for self-defense.

When the assailants flee, the imminent danger is over and your right to use deadly force ends. And when you leave your home, the place of safety, and give chase and kill someone, that's murder.

Stop defending murderers. Quit being pro-criminal.

This is Castle Doctrine we're talking about here. They were on his property and he'd been robbed four times before. They'd just got done beating him and who's to say they wouldn't return? It's reasonable to say he would think they'd harm him again the future.

Stop trying to re-victimize this man.

Was the shot woman on his property?

[Gauthier]

This is Castle Doctrine we're talking about here. They were on his property and he'd been robbed four times before. They'd just got done beating him and who's to say they wouldn't return? It's reasonable to say he would think they'd harm him again the future.

Stop trying to re-victimize this man.

Was the shot woman on his property?

Property extends to line of sight, silly.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

They'd just got done beating him. And he'd been robbed four times before. I think it's safe to say he felt threatened.

Self-defense requires imminence. There must be a clear and present danger to your life. And it must be reasonable. In California, an objective reasonable person standard is employed for self-defense.

When the assailants flee, the imminent danger is over and your right to use deadly force ends. And when you leave your home, the place of safety, and give chase and kill someone, that's murder.

Stop defending murderers. Quit being pro-criminal.

Ultimately you're right, but I wouldn't call it being pro-criminal. Right and wrong isn't that cut and dry. The old guy's position is regrettable but sympathetic. Heat of the moment and all that. We're splitting the hairs of his actions well after the fact. 80 years of being an upstanding citizen, he deserves leniency.

[Scomagia]

Was the shot woman on his property?

Property extends to line of sight, silly.

Pretty sure you mean line of fire.

[Geilinor]

This is Castle Doctrine we're talking about here. They were on his property and he'd been robbed four times before. They'd just got done beating him and who's to say they wouldn't return? It's reasonable to say he would think they'd harm him again the future.

Stop trying to re-victimize this man.

Was the shot woman on his property?

Her dead body wasn't, but the shot was fired while she was running towards the garage.

Despite his injuries, Greer managed to grab his gun and fire at the suspects, causing them to flee through the garage and into the alley, police said.

[Scomagia]

Was the shot woman on his property?

Her dead body wasn't, but the shot was fired while she was running towards the garage.

Despite his injuries, Greer managed to grab his gun and fire at the suspects, causing them to flee through the garage and into the alley, police said.

No. That was the first shot. Two more were fired in the alley.

[Fartsniffage]

Was the shot woman on his property?

Her dead body wasn't, but the shot was fired while she was running towards the garage.

Despite his injuries, Greer managed to grab his gun and fire at the suspects, causing them to flee through the garage and into the alley, police said.

You might want to read that again....

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Actually, considering the unlikelihood/absence of premeditation (getting beaten and robbed from likely to result in a good deal of passion, not inviting planning of much of anything) and mens rea beyond 'they were just beating me!', first degree is pretty much out the window.

No. Having the presence of mind to retrieve a pistol, and then give chase when they flee is proof of malice aforethought. The act of leaving the place of safety and giving chase is proof of premeditation.

This not a matter of heat of passion. Heat of passion is an affirmative, impartial defense. It'll bring you down to involuntary manslaughter at best, and it's very difficult to prove, and this man shows none of the signs. Heat of passion means the defendant can at best hazily recollect what actually happened. They're scattered, and usually horrified by what they did. This person in the interview showed himself to be completely lucid during the events, and incriminated himself. He acknowledged her pleas for her life and openly stated that he consciously disregarded them.

This is a textbook case, and the poor devil wasn't smart enough to lawyer up before he shot his mouth off to the media.

Negative, premeditation does not include decisions made during the act, requires prior planning before the act. Him retrieving his weapon and chasing those who just assaulted him doesn't fit the definition of premeditation.

[Viritica]

This is Castle Doctrine we're talking about here. They were on his property and he'd been robbed four times before. They'd just got done beating him and who's to say they wouldn't return? It's reasonable to say he would think they'd harm him again the future.

Stop trying to re-victimize this man.

Was the shot woman on his property?

Pretty sure she was.

[Ratateague]

Do you get paid a dollar or something every-time you call a woman a bitch?

I call then as I see them and her actions say thug bitch .

That's really not a good habit to get into. By continually addressing someone in a demeaning way, you legitimize the same form of honorific to be returned to yourself. Plus, people might think less of you. Also not very sporty to speak ill of the dead. Y'know.

[New Acardia]

They beat him .
In fact there should be a law any one who is killed while commenting a violent crime that's your tough luck .
Also the thug bitch would still be alive if she did not break in to Mr. Geer's house and beat him .

Do you get paid a dollar or something every-time you call a woman a bitch?

I call then as I see them and her actions say thug bitch .

[New Acardia]

Pro criminal for prosecuting some one who defending himself . If anything Mr Greer should get a .award for community service.

Defending himself by shooting people who posed no immediate danger?

They beat him .
In fact there should be a law any one who is killed while commenting a violent crime that's your tough luck .
Also the thug bitch would still be alive if she did not break in to Mr. Geer's house and beat him .

[New Acardia]

Any DA who brings this to trial should be labeled pro criminal.

Pro criminal because they're prosecuting someone for committing a crime?

Pro criminal for prosecuting some one who defending himself . If anything Mr Greer should get a .award for community service.

[Fartsniffage]

Was the shot woman on his property?

Pretty sure she was.

Based on what? Did he own the alley?

[Gauthier]

Pro criminal because they're prosecuting someone for committing a crime?

Pro criminal for prosecuting some one who defending himself . If anything Mr Greer should get a .award for community service.

Don't forget to give an award to George Zimmerman while you're at it.

[Scomagia]

Pro criminal because they're prosecuting someone for committing a crime?

Pro criminal for prosecuting some one who defending himself . If anything Mr Greer should get a .award for community service.

The law doesn't work that way.

[New Acardia]

If the thug bitch did not break in to Mr. Greer's house.
The thug bitch would not got her thug ass killed in the first plac.

Andrea Miller. That's the name of the dead person.

And you're right, if she hadn't broken into the place then she would probably be alive. But the question is whether Mr. Greer killed her legally. I don't believe that he did.

To me she is just a thug bitch . That prayed on the wrong person and got her thug ass taken out .

[Viritica]

Pro criminal for prosecuting some one who defending himself . If anything Mr Greer should get a .award for community service.

Don't forget to give an award to George Zimmerman while you're at it.

He was already acquitted.

So...

[Fartsniffage]

Pro criminal because they're prosecuting someone for committing a crime?

Pro criminal for prosecuting some one who defending himself . If anything Mr Greer should get a .award for community service.

It's an award. AN AWARD.

You're welcome.

[New Acardia]

Let's not make this thug bitch in to a victim .
In case people forgot she broke in to a 80 year old man's house and withl the other thug she was with gave him a beating . So the bitch got her thug ass killed .to that I say DSAF .

Andrea Miller is dead. Ton Greer is not. Seems to me like he came out of the altercation better off.

If the thug bitch did not break in to Mr. Greer's house.
The thug bitch would not got her thug ass killed in the first plac.

[Viritica]

Pretty sure she was.

Based on what? Did he own the alley?

It might have been inside his property.

[Fartsniffage]

Andrea Miller. That's the name of the dead person.

And you're right, if she hadn't broken into the place then she would probably be alive. But the question is whether Mr. Greer killed her legally. I don't believe that he did.

To me she is just a thug bitch . That prayed on the wrong person and got her thug ass taken out .

Preyed. Preyed on the wrong person.

You're welcome.